Bishop Watterson teacher fired after being outed in obituary
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queencitybuckeye
Even if one considers homosexuality to be a sin, of all the evil that exists in the world, wouldn't loving someone of the "wrong" sex rank somewhere around 9,612,000th on the scale of heinousness? Why do we latch on to this? Says more about "us" than "them" IMO.cruiser_96;1437186 wrote:I hope they do! It would be refreshing to see a gravitation back the championing of the noble, the moral, the virtuous, the ethical life.
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Con_Alma
Can't the school "love them" without showing an implied endorsement of their actions through knowingly employing one who is acting against the school's teachings? It doesn't necessarily have to be considered heinouss to not support a person't decision.queencitybuckeye;1437199 wrote:Even if one considers homosexuality to be a sin, of all the evil that exists in the world, wouldn't loving someone of the "wrong" sex rank somewhere around 9,612,000th on the scale of heinousness? Why do we latch on to this? Says more about "us" than "them" IMO.
I agree that it says much about those who say no to supporting that which is in opposing to what they are tryng to teach. -
queencitybuckeye
Clearly tolerance is a lesson lost on them. Hopefully the City of Columbus will enforce their ordinance against such behavior and arrest those responsible for the firing.Con_Alma;1437205 wrote:Can't the school "love them" without showing an implied endorsement of their actions through knowingly employing one who is acting against the school's teachings? It doesn't necessarily have to be considered heinouss to not support a person't decision.
I agree that it says much about those who say no to supporting that which is in opposing to what they are tryng to teach.
Knowing for a fact that EVERY human being sins, are they giving an implied endosement of every employees lifestyle, or is it a "see no evil, hear no evil" kind of thing? -
Con_Alma
I would suggest there's a difference between tolerance and support.queencitybuckeye;1437215 wrote:Clearly tolerance is a lesson lost on them. Hopefully the City of Columbus will enforce their ordinance against such behavior and arrest those responsible for the firing. -
queencitybuckeye
I would suggest there is as much if not more written in the bible about the sin of judgement as the sin of homosexuality. Should they not be held to the same standard and submit their resignations?Con_Alma;1437219 wrote:I would suggest there's a difference between tolerance and support. -
cruiser_96
I would say it is being met with an equal amount of resistence as needed.queencitybuckeye;1437199 wrote:Even if one considers homosexuality to be a sin, of all the evil that exists in the world, wouldn't loving someone of the "wrong" sex rank somewhere around 9,612,000th on the scale of heinousness? Why do we latch on to this? Says more about "us" than "them" IMO.
I can't open my newspaper without being bombarded with homosexual content. I turn on SPORTS talk radio and was deluged with homosexual talk. Everywhere you turn it seems that homosexuality is the talk of the town. So why are we talking about it so much? I would guess it's because the homosexual agenda is being pushed so much. -
Con_Alma
Absolutely, and I would support such honesty but I also support the decision to not enable that which is in opposition to being taught. The school cannot be expected to enable those things they teach against.queencitybuckeye;1437225 wrote:I would suggest there is as much if not more written in the bible about the sin of judgement as the sin of homosexuality. Should they not be held to the same standard and submit their resignations? -
queencitybuckeye
If by "homosexual agenda", you mean the agenda that says most people, gay and straight, believe everyone should be able to find happiness with any like-minded adult they choose to be with, then I'd say that agenda needs to be continued to be pushed. It's not 14 AD any more, most of us have become a little more enlightened, it's well past time we pull the others into the modern era.cruiser_96;1437229 wrote:I would say it is being met with an equal amount of resistence as needed.
I can't open my newspaper without being bombarded with homosexual content. I turn on SPORTS talk radio and was deluged with homosexual talk. Everywhere you turn it seems that homosexuality is the talk of the town. So why are we talking about it so much? I would guess it's because the homosexual agenda is being pushed so much. -
cruiser_96
Ok.
But immorality is immorality, as you pointed out, numbering it #9,612,000 on the list. Even if it was #9,612,001 it would still be immoral. And how in the world can we expect to be socially correct if we are immoraly wrong?
EDIT: (Add-on) The "agenda" as I see it is to "normalize" homosexuality. How can you nomalize that which is immoral? -
queencitybuckeye
I said "even if". I find such thinking ignorance of the highest order.cruiser_96;1437241 wrote:Ok.
But immorality is immorality, as you pointed out, numbering it #9,612,000 on the list. Even if it was #9, 612,001 it would still be immoral. And how in the world can we expect to be social correct if we are immoraly wrong?
When the church has shown evidence of their leadership no longer molesting children, and those who have done so have all been expelled from the church, then talk to me about the horrible sin of a teacher loving another human being who happens to have the same plumbing. -
Con_Alma
I don't have a problem with such an effort to seek happiness. I also don't think the school was guilty of judging the employee being discussed. There was no opinion to form. It was a very simple matter of the the individual being homosexual. That doesn't requiring judging at all.queencitybuckeye;1437234 wrote:If by "homosexual agenda", you mean the agenda that says most people, gay and straight, believe everyone should be able to find happiness with any like-minded adult they choose to be with, then I'd say that agenda needs to be continued to be pushed. It's not 14 AD any more, most of us have become a little more enlightened, it's well past time we pull the others into the modern era. -
cruiser_96
You find what thinking "ignorance of the highest order"? Homosexuality as immoral?
Ok. -
queencitybuckeye
Yes, it is OK.cruiser_96;1437245 wrote:You find what thinking "ignorance of the highest order"? Homosexuality as immoral?
Ok. -
cruiser_96
Well excellent! We both agree that homosexuality is immoral. Now what?queencitybuckeye;1437249 wrote:Yes, it is OK. -
Heretic
Reps on the use of actual logic. Prejudice is prejudice, even if it's tolerated/supported by religion. And religion should be no excuse for prejudice, especially when you consider how much of the bible is cherry-picked by christians as worth following and how much is simply written off as laws of the time put into writing (even though the fact those books haven't been removed/heavily edited to reflect that).queencitybuckeye;1437234 wrote:If by "homosexual agenda", you mean the agenda that says most people, gay and straight, believe everyone should be able to find happiness with any like-minded adult they choose to be with, then I'd say that agenda needs to be continued to be pushed. It's not 14 AD any more, most of us have become a little more enlightened, it's well past time we pull the others into the modern era. -
queencitybuckeye
We don't agree. Isn't lying a sin? Shouldn't that dogcrap school district you work for fire you?cruiser_96;1437250 wrote:Well excellent! We both agree that homosexuality is immoral. Now what? -
cruiser_96
Let's go this route... what is immoral? Anything?queencitybuckeye;1437254 wrote:We don't agree. Isn't lying a sin? Shouldn't that dogcrap school district you work for fire you?
EDIT: Also, I don't think it is fair for you to assume a) I work for a school district and b) that the school district is dogcrap. Show me some love, in peace, with forbearance and kindness. Use gentleness and some self-control please. No need to hate. -
queencitybuckeye
People don't understand, or worse, choose not to understand that much of what was categorized as "sinful" behavior in any number of reasons was deemed such for practical reasons as opposed to pure matters of religion. Keeping a kosher kitchen was a matter of public health as opposed to a matter of God telling someone he gives a flaming fuck about how people keep their meat and dairy. Procreation was crucial in the days of small populations and short lives. Not anymore.Heretic;1437252 wrote:Reps on the use of actual logic. Prejudice is prejudice, even if it's tolerated/supported by religion. And religion should be no excuse for prejudice, especially when you consider how much of the bible is cherry-picked by christians as worth following and how much is simply written off as laws of the time put into writing (even though the fact those books haven't been removed/heavily edited to reflect that). -
queencitybuckeye
Yes, but not because it comes from a book from a time where "Fire. Good." was considered the height of intellectualism.cruiser_96;1437257 wrote:Let's go this route... what is immoral? Anything?
I apologize.EDIT: Also, I don't think it is fair for you to assume a) I work for a school district and b) that the school district is dogcrap. Show me some love, in peace, with forbearance and kindness. Use gentleness and some self-control please. No need to hate. -
Heretic
I think the most depressing thing about humanity in general is how conflict and prejudice seem intertwined with our genetics to where it seems people look for any attempt to rationalize putting themselves on a plain above others. When what, in theory, should be a good thing (religion) is essentially used as a method of justify prejudice (and has been through history), it's just sad and pathetic.queencitybuckeye;1437263 wrote:People don't understand, or worse, choose not to understand that much of what was categorized as "sinful" behavior in any number of reasons was deemed such for practical reasons as opposed to pure matters of religion. Keeping a kosher kitchen was a matter of public health as opposed to a matter of God telling someone he gives a flaming fuck about how people keep their meat and dairy. Procreation was crucial in the days of small populations and short lives. Not anymore.
I definitely wouldn't be surprised that if the christian god exists, he's pretty much always in the facepalm position looking down on humanity, wondering why he even tried in the first place. -
Rotinaj
you should probably take your own advice.cruiser_96;1437257 wrote:Let's go this route... what is immoral? Anything?
EDIT: Also, I don't think it is fair for you to assume a) I work for a school district and b) that the school district is dogcrap. Show me some love, in peace, with forbearance and kindness. Use gentleness and some self-control please. No need to hate. -
cruiser_96
QCB: Apology accepted.
From what I can tell, we disagree at the starting point of morality and thus, will more than likely disagree all along the way.
Have a great day. -
cruiser_96
Now come on, Rotinaj. No name calling from my side. And besides, QBC has apologized. Let's let it go. (Not that you would have been able to retract your quote in the time alotted though. So it's cool. It's cool. Ain't hatin.)Rotinaj;1437269 wrote:you should probably take your own advice. -
Con_Alma
Not necessarily. Everybody sins. It's unavoidable. The employees should be repenting and seeking forgiveness for their sins. If they are not and are simply sinning without regard to trying to cease, then yes, the school district should be addressing the situation.queencitybuckeye;1437254 wrote:We don't agree. Isn't lying a sin? Shouldn't that dogcrap school district you work for fire you? -
Con_Alma
I would offer that I am not better nor is any other Christian any better than any other human. No Christian is on a "plain above others". Not one person is able to be without sin. I would alos ope that people would enable me to continue to sin and certainly not support any sinful actions by me.Heretic;1437268 wrote:I think the most depressing thing about humanity in general is how conflict and prejudice seem intertwined with our genetics to where it seems people look for any attempt to rationalize putting themselves on a plain above others....