NYU prof is doing it right

• gorocks99

  

  Although an older story, good for him.
  

  Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2010 7:15:11 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada PacificSubject: Brand Strategy Feedback
  Prof. Galloway,
  
  I would like to discuss a matter with you that bothered me. Yesterday evening I entered your 6pm Brand Strategy class approximately 1 hour late. As I entered the room, you quickly dismissed me, saying that I would need to leave and come back to the next class. After speaking with several students who are taking your class, they explained that you have a policy stating that students who arrive more than 15 minutes late will not be admitted to class.
  
  As of yesterday evening, I was interested in three different Monday night classes that all occurred simultaneously. In order to decide which class to select, my plan for the evening was to sample all three and see which one I like most. Since I had never taken your class, I was unaware of your class policy. I was disappointed that you dismissed me from class considering (1) there is no way I could have been aware of your policy and (2) considering that it was the first day of evening classes and I arrived 1 hour late (not a few minutes), it was more probable that my tardiness was due to my desire to sample different classes rather than sheer complacency.
  
  I have already registered for another class but I just wanted to be open and provide my opinion on the matter.
  Regards,
  
  xxxx

  —— Forwarded Message ——-From: [email protected]
  To: “xxxx”
  Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2010 9:34:02 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
  Subject: Re: Brand Strategy Feedback
  
  xxxx:
  Thanks for the feedback. I, too, would like to offer some feedback.
  
  Just so I’ve got this straight…you started in one class, left 15-20 minutes into it (stood up, walked out mid-lecture), went to another class (walked in 20 minutes late), left that class (again, presumably, in the middle of the lecture), and then came to my class. At that point (walking in an hour late) I asked you to come to the next class which “bothered” you.
  
  Correct?
  
  You state that, having not taken my class, it would be impossible to know our policy of not allowing people to walk in an hour late. Most risk analysis offers that in the face of substantial uncertainty, you opt for the more conservative path or hedge your bet (e.g., do not show up an hour late until you know the professor has an explicit policy for tolerating disrespectful behavior, check with the TA before class, etc.). I hope the lottery winner that is your recently crowned Monday evening Professor is teaching Judgement and Decision Making or Critical Thinking.
  
  In addition, your logic effectively means you cannot be held accountable for any code of conduct before taking a class. For the record, we also have no stated policy against bursting into show tunes in the middle of class, urinating on desks or taking that revolutionary hair removal system for a spin. However, xxxx, there is a baseline level of decorum (i.e., manners) that we expect of grown men and women who the admissions department have deemed tomorrow’s business leaders.
  
  xxxx, let me be more serious for a moment. I do not know you, will not know you and have no real affinity or animosity for you. You are an anonymous student who is now regretting the send button on his laptop. It’s with this context I hope you register pause…REAL pause xxxx and take to heart what I am about to tell you:
  
  xxxx, get your shit together.
  
  Getting a good job, working long hours, keeping your skills relevant, navigating the politics of an organization, finding a live/work balance…these are all really hard, xxxx. In contrast, respecting institutions, having manners, demonstrating a level of humility…these are all (relatively) easy. Get the easy stuff right xxxx. In and of themselves they will not make you successful. However, not possessing them will hold you back and you will not achieve your potential which, by virtue of you being admitted to Stern, you must have in spades. It’s not too late xxxx…
  
  Again, thanks for the feedback.
  Professor Galloway

  http://doanie.wordpress.com/2010/02/23/mean-professor-tells-student/
• WebFire

  Love it.
• Manhattan Buckeye

  The professor kicked someone out? How did the professor know it was a student? Not enough information to make a decision one way or the other. In all of my grad school classes (not B-school at Stern) the back row was always reserved for people to come in and monitor a class.
• Fly4Fun

  

  Ya, for whatever reason this was popping up all over facebook yesterday. Amusing read though.
  
  I'm not sure if I necessarily agree with the professor. I guess it depends on the policy of the school.
  
  I know some undergraduate institutions encourage students to shop around classes.
• WebFire

  Fly4Fun;1422726 wrote:Ya, for whatever reason this was popping up all over facebook yesterday. Amusing read though.
  
  I'm not sure if I necessarily agree with the professor. I guess it depends on the policy of the school.
  
  I know some undergraduate institutions encourage students to shop around classes.

  Safe to assume this institution is not one of those, given the profs reaction. If you are going to do that, then you need to have a setup that allows for it, as Manhattan mentioned.
• Fly4Fun

  

  WebFire;1422736 wrote:Safe to assume this institution is not one of those, given the profs reaction. If you are going to do that, then you need to have a setup that allows for it, as Manhattan mentioned.

  I think you make a legitimate point that maybe the professors reaction shows the NYU's policy. But to be fair, Professors (particularly those with tenure, and I bet this guy has it) tend to do whatever they want within certain limits. So I'm not so sure if it would be safe to assume that.
• BoatShoes

  Manhattan Buckeye;1422722 wrote:The professor kicked someone out? How did the professor know it was a student? Not enough information to make a decision one way or the other. In all of my grad school classes (not B-school at Stern) the back row was always reserved for people to come in and monitor a class.

  Seems to me the point is that the dude showed up an hour after the class had started. Doesn't sound like this professor could give two shits who is sitting in the back row so long as they're not interrupting the class.
• Manhattan Buckeye

  BoatShoes;1422753 wrote:Seems to me the point is that the dude showed up an hour after the class had started. Doesn't sound like this professor could give two ****s who is sitting in the back row so long as they're not interrupting the class.

  Did the guy actually interrupt the class?
  
  I don't know and looking at the responses Professor Galloway could be in the right, but that was an odd response. It would be one thing if someone actually did burst into song tunes or urinate on a desk. But people leaving a lecture for any and all reasons happens all of the time. You deal with it.
• WebFire

  I had a prof that had a no late policy and wouldn't let you in class if you were late.
• derek bomar

  

  this is as old as the internet
• LJ

  

  WebFire;1422776 wrote:I had a prof that had a no late policy and wouldn't let you in class if you were late.

  We had a strict policy against professors having that policy. They would counter habitually late students by giving participation quizzes in the first 5 minutes of class.
• queencitybuckeye

  LJ;1422787 wrote:We had a strict policy against professors having that policy.

  Why?
• LJ

  

  queencitybuckeye;1422795 wrote:Why?

  # of commuters was the reasoning I believe. I dunno beyond that, was in place before I started there, was still in place when I left
• gorocks99

  

  We had a strict policy against professors having a strict policy against professors having a strict policy against professors having a strict policy against professors having a strict policy against professors having a strict policy against that policy.
• justincredible

  

  gorocks99;1422807 wrote:We had a strict policy against professors having a strict policy against professors having a strict policy against professors having a strict policy against professors having a strict policy against professors having a strict policy against that policy.

  
• tk421

  

  why the hell do universities even care, as long as you don't enter from the front and interrupt the class? They are paying the tens of thousands for tuition either way, if they want to be late or not go to class, no skin off the professor's back.
• Tiernan

  Fakety Faken Fake Fake...and all of you commenting are doofus idiots.
• Mohican00

  

  this sounds like one of those bunk ass chain emails my grandma sends me
• WebFire

  Tiernan;1422862 wrote:Fakety Faken Fake Fake...and all of you commenting are doofus idiots.

  Doesn't matter of it's fake or not. The subject matter is still a valid discussion topic.
• gorocks99

  

  Tiernan;1422862 wrote:Fakety Faken Fake Fake...and all of you commenting are doofus idiots.

  Source?
• Fly4Fun

  

  There is a Professor Scott Galloway at NYU who is a "Clinical Professor of Marketing."
  
  So at least the name and course subject are plausible.
  
  http://www.stern.nyu.edu/faculty/bio/scott-galloway
  
  And then after another couple seconds of looking at google results Deadspin did do an article on it.
  
  http://deadspin.com/5477230/nyu-business-school-professor-has-mastered-the-art-of-email-flaming
  
  Furthermore, there is an article from NYULocal regarding this situation. NYULocal is a newspaper run by students from NYU.
  
  http://nyulocal.com/on-campus/2010/02/22/stern-professor-shuts-down-whiny-student-in-bitch-please-email/
• Tiernan

  NYU is a fake college, conveniently used by sitcoms and NYPD cop dramas.
• Fly4Fun

  

  Tiernan;1422904 wrote:NYU is a fake college, conveniently used by sitcoms and NYPD cop dramas.

  Is it really that hard for you to admit that you were wrong?
• Heretic

  

  gorocks99;1422873 wrote:Source?

  Those last few drops at the bottom of a bottle are hard to properly cite, so it'll be hard to give a source without simply naming whatever flavor of MD 20/20 it was.
• Pick6

  

  Its stupid, JMO. Professor was a hard-ass for no reason. His life is probably miserable.