iPhone 5 thread
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ernest_t_bass
I'll be getting the iPhone 6 on Wednesday. Enjoy mediocrity, losers. -
justincredible
Actually, no.ernest_t_bass;1263361 wrote:I'll be getting the iPhone 6 on Wednesday. Enjoy mediocrity, losers. -
Tiger2003
ernest_t_bass;1263361 wrote:I'll be getting the iPhone 6 on Wednesday. Enjoy mediocrity, losers.
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gport_tennisWebFire;1263318 wrote:I'll have to ask her. Because she specifically says it regards to the 4G. You can see it in her response above. She says Verizon built on the wrong technology.
Verizon and att have different 3g networks, Cdma and gsm respectively, Cdma historically has provided more reliable call coverage while gsm has provided faster data speeds.
Att has a "4g" network in hspa+, they are building out a 4g lte network because it is faster now and has better potential.
verizon has a 3g network in Cdma. Cdma is not wrong technology, however we are building out a new 4g lte network because it is the best 4g now and going on in the future.
Verizon started rolling out 4g markets in 2010, att within the last 4 months I believe. there is a lot more verizon 4g with the head start. What she said about verizon is capping out is just false. -
WebFire
I'll have to prod her more on it. I know she specifically refers to the 4G, not the 3G. So are AT&T and Verizon different 4G networks?gport_tennis;1263389 wrote:Verizon and att have different 3g networks, Cdma and gsm respectively, Cdma historically has provided more reliable call coverage while gsm has provided faster data speeds.
Att has a "4g" network in hspa+, they are building out a 4g lte network because it is faster now and has better potential.
verizon has a 3g network in Cdma. Cdma is not wrong technology, however we are building out a new 4g lte network because it is the best 4g now and going on in the future.
Verizon started rolling out 4g markets in 2010, att within the last 4 months I believe. there is a lot more verizon 4g with the head start. What she said about verizon is capping out is just false. -
sherm03
AT&T is moving towards LTE. So once it fully rolls out, they will be on the same 4G. Right now, AT&T claims their HSPA+ as 4G.WebFire;1263395 wrote:I'll have to prod her more on it. I know she specifically refers to the 4G, not the 3G. So are AT&T and Verizon different 4G networks?
So basically, it depends on where you are. If you are in a market where AT&T has rolled out LTE, then no, VZW and AT&T are not on different 4G networks. If you are in a market where AT&T has not rolled out LTE, then yes, VZW and AT&T are on different "4G" networks (quotation marks because HSPA+ should not be considered 4G). -
Glory Days
Speaking of mobile data speeds...
http://www.informationweek.com/government/mobile/fcc-to-measure-wireless-data-speeds/240006873 -
like_that
What about your wife?ernest_t_bass;1263361 wrote:I'll be getting the iPhone 6 on Wednesday. Enjoy mediocrity, losers. -
ernest_t_bass
First Gen, obvi.like_that;1263609 wrote:What about your wife? -
ernest_t_bass
justincredible;1263366 wrote:Actually, no.
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WebFireMore from my rep. She's not the BS feeding type. She is sending me some Powerpoints to further her point.
Instead of us saying "3G, 4G, or future 5G" we are saying LTE... I don't know why they selected that terminology, but they did. However, their LTE (meaning Verizon and Sprint) will have a speed cap because they built on a different technology. So for example, once they get as high as they can go with their technology, their bandwidth won't be able to support as much as ours and won't be able to support as many users either. So for example, their "LTE" would cap out at 10 megs for example, where as our LTE doesn't have a cap, so it can go to 20megs. This is just an example. The only way for them to fix this upcoming issue is to go back in time, tear down what they have already built and start from scratch. They will never be able to do that, so the max out will happen. This really isn't an issue yet because they aren't that fast yet... the big differences will probably start popping up in 2017... we built on GSM tech, they build on CDMA... we did it slowly, but right, they did it quick but pigeon holed themselves by making that choice. -
justincredible
Oh. 2017. That's soon. :laugh:
I can go through 2.5 contracts before then. -
gut
Hmmm, I've routinely hit speeds over 20mbs. That's every bit as fast as many home broadband options. Streaming HD Netflix requires a consistent 9mbs or so. More is, quite honestly, overkill. The software/phones are still not really capable of taking advantage of the speed (even on wifi, my laptop is faster than my phone...maybe that is conversion to mobile though).WebFire;1263709 wrote:More from my rep. She's not the BS feeding type. She is sending me some Powerpoints to further her point.
And I think her statement about bandwidth and capacity is BS. The real capacity constraint is spectrum. You can always add more capacity with additional towers (and there's some really interesting tech out there coming).
I'm not sure if AT&T is second-gen LTE, so her claims about speed could be correct. But she seems to be confusing bandwidth with throughput (if that's the right term). Bandwidth is a function of # of towers and spectrum. You can service more users by servicing them faster, but throttling happens because more bandwidth is demanded than available. It doesn't matter how fast the connection, if the spectrum is only 1mbs (for example) then you're capped at that rate. Higher capability in throughput, in her example, is more about how efficiently they utilize a fixed bandwidth.
And I'm pretty sure VZW has a boatload more 4G spectrum than AT&T. AT&T is trying to play catch-up, but VZW can still serve as many, if not more, users at slower speeds if they have more spectrum. -
sherm03
I'd be interested in seeing the PPTs. I just don't understand how VZW could hit a bandwidth issue considering both AT&T and VZW are building LTE networks. The technology would be the same between them. The only difference is, AT&T is based on GSM, while Verizon's is based on CDMA. But that has nothing to do with their data because all of Verizon's voice calls get routed through the CDMA network, and all the data gets routed through the LTE.WebFire;1263709 wrote:More from my rep. She's not the BS feeding type. She is sending me some Powerpoints to further her point. -
WebFire
Her 20 megs was an example. But you are right, she is saying bandwidth to mean speed. And she's not denying your last sentence. She admitted that Verizon's LTE network is bigger right now.gut;1263739 wrote:Hmmm, I've routinely hit speeds over 20mbs. That's every bit as fast as many home broadband options. Streaming HD Netflix requires a consistent 9mbs or so. More is, quite honestly, overkill. The software/phones are still not really capable of taking advantage of the speed (even on wifi, my laptop is faster than my phone...maybe that is conversion to mobile though).
And I think her statement about bandwidth and capacity is BS. The real capacity constraint is spectrum. You can always add more capacity with additional towers (and there's some really interesting tech out there coming).
I'm not sure if AT&T is second-gen LTE, so her claims about speed could be correct. But she seems to be confusing bandwidth with throughput (if that's the right term). Bandwidth is a function of # of towers and spectrum. You can service more users by servicing them faster, but throttling happens because more bandwidth is demanded than available. It doesn't matter how fast the connection, if the spectrum is only 1mbs (for example) then you're capped at that rate. Higher capability in throughput, in her example, is more about how efficiently they utilize a fixed bandwidth.
And I'm pretty sure VZW has a boatload more 4G spectrum than AT&T. AT&T is trying to play catch-up, but VZW can still serve as many, if not more, users at slower speeds if they have more spectrum. -
WebFireI also agree that I'm not worried about cap speeds if we are talking in the teens or higher. But you have to remember she is talking to me from a business standpoint, not just an individual with 1 or 2 phones. It's a hassle to switch, so if we did, we'd probably stick with it for awhile.
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CherGSM is "superior" in a lot of senses. Verizon DID bury themselves by using CDMA...however, their LTE network isn't built on CDMA afaik...so the "points" your friend is trying to make is moot.
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gut
True, but unless there's some magical switch AT&T has yet to flip, real world tests of LTE speeds has AT&T about 15-25% faster. That's fairly significant (but we are talking speeds with quickly diminishing returns), but she really appears to be overselling the gap.WebFire;1263753 wrote:Her 20 megs was an example. But you are right, she is saying bandwidth to mean speed. And she's not denying your last sentence. She admitted that Verizon's LTE network is bigger right now. -
sherm03
AT&T literally just turned on LTE in Cincinnati on Thursday. Completely unexpected, and unannounced. I looked down at my phone, and saw the LTE symbol.
Pretty interested timing on that. New iPhone is announced...LTE hits the market.
So basically Justin...everything I told you before is out the window now. The only thing I have noticed since getting back into town today is that the LTE signal is fluctuating quite a bit. It'll probably be some time before it stabilizes, so it's nothing to really worry about. -
justincredible
Already pre-ordered from Verizon.sherm03;1272772 wrote:AT&T literally just turned on LTE in Cincinnati on Thursday. Completely unexpected, and unannounced. I looked down at my phone, and saw the LTE symbol.
Pretty interested timing on that. New iPhone is announced...LTE hits the market.
So basically Justin...everything I told you before is out the window now. The only thing I have noticed since getting back into town today is that the LTE signal is fluctuating quite a bit. It'll probably be some time before it stabilizes, so it's nothing to really worry about. -
gut
Well, you have to figure without LTE they'd be losing a bunch of customers to VZWsherm03;1272772 wrote: Pretty interested timing on that. New iPhone is announced...LTE hits the market. -
Pick6
4g coverage for the iPhone 5.
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WebFireThat map is a bit misleading. If you throw in AT&T's HSPA+ coverage, they probably actually trump Verizon. If you are in AT&T LTE area and leave it, you pick up HSPA+. With Verizon, if you leave LTE area, you get 3G.
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WebFire
