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enigmaax
There's a little bit of a difference. One, you have first hand information from the person saying they will be in the relationship. Sure you have to take a little bit of a leap to trust them, but that is much different than taking the word of random dudes who wrote shit thousands of years ago and claimed to speak with something no one else can see. Two, there are many, many actions that a person can take to help solidify your faith in the relationship.pmoney25;1153623 wrote:Wasnt meant to prove existence of God. Was meant to show that humans use faith for things other than religion and if you needed proof for relationships to exist, then obviously we wouldnt have any. -
pmoney25
True however those actions could be for financial, convenience, or just not wanting to be alone. Point being is faith is a part of being human even if you dont believe in God.enigmaax;1153634 wrote:There's a little bit of a difference. One, you have first hand information from the person saying they will be in the relationship. Sure you have to take a little bit of a leap to trust them, but that is much different than taking the word of random dudes who wrote **** thousands of years ago and claimed to speak with something no one else can see. Two, there are many, many actions that a person can take to help solidify your faith in the relationship. -
enigmaax
Okay, so let's go back to your original point, which I think was that "faith" doesn't indicate weakness. If your faith allowed you to be fooled by someone who was with you for the alterior motives you mentioned, was it not the faith that made you vulnerable? So again, yes, faith is kind of stupid.pmoney25;1153651 wrote:True however those actions could be for financial, convenience, or just not wanting to be alone. Point being is faith is a part of being human even if you dont believe in God.
And relationships is a whole other topic anyway. There's a lot about the way society tries to define a relationship that is contrary to human nature...and very obviously a failure in its own right. -
cruiser_96
I'm seriously planning to plant some grapes.
While researching, I found that grapes can be used as table grapes, jams or jellies, or even wine.
I liked the idea of wine so I began researching how to create my own wine from my own grapes. As I watch and read I thought, "If there was no break down process, we wouldn't be able to make wine." Hmmph. How about that. Thanks, Adam and Eve. (Not really because I find the negatives far outweigh this positive.) -
Heretic
Highly doubtful, since if you look at the history of just our planet, people here have worshipped hundreds (or thousands) of different deities. And even today in our "one god" society, there are multiple deities with large followings. And also consider how our "one god" religion of Christianity has a ton of factions/denominations which look at the teachings in different ways. So when you consider that this planet (as a whole) NEVER has figured out what the true god/true faith/true anything is, it's crazy to think that any planet is on the same page as us. Except in the most broad sense, ie: don't have a clue, so blindly throw darts and hope to hit a bullseye...or at least the board.Y-Town Steelhound;1153483 wrote:Here's a serious question for thought. Do you think that there is life on other planets in the universe, and if so do you think that they are worshipping the same God that we do? Technically if God created everything, than he created these other races on other planets as well. Did he send a separate Jesus to die for their sins or did they not screw up their Garden of Eden? -
sleeper
I see your point, but its really a stretch to justify the use of faith to "prove" something.pmoney25;1153623 wrote:Wasnt meant to prove existence of God. Was meant to show that humans use faith for things other than religion and if you needed proof for relationships to exist, then obviously we wouldnt have any. -
I Wear Pants
See I think that we don't base our relationships on faith. We use evidence. Actions and words define our relationships. Can people lie or can we misinterpret those things? Sure.pmoney25;1153573 wrote:One question I have. Is it false to claim that all human relationships are based on faith. Whether its a friend,gf, bf, spouse, even family. Do you ever truly know someone else and if they truly care for you. Sure they can say it or even stay with you but in reality it just your faith that they are being honest.
Point being not all of human existence has to be fact/science based.
But for example I don't have faith that my parents love me, I know they do because they've said as much and have/are providing for me and support me. -
Y-Town Steelhound
That's my exact philosophy on religion.OSH;1153574 wrote:My inclination is that there is no life -- as in human life -- on other planets.
But, this is one of those questions that we'll probably never know. So, I really don't spend my time getting hung up on these questions. If the universe is as "vast" as some scientists say it is...we'll never know about other human life forms elsewhere. If they do exist, I hope they don't screw up their country, state, town, etc. like we have in America.
To think that there isn't intelligent life on SOME other planet is naive in my opinion. Our planet is a grain of sand upon a grain of sand compared to how many planets there are in the universe. We're talking about incomprehensible numbers here...into the billions upon billions. If "our God" truly did only put life on this planet that would be remarkable considering the rest of the planets are apparently a waste.
What we do in this life is insignificant in the realm of universal history, so I don't base my life around something that "might" exist. -
Skyhook79
So you are putting your faith in the assumption that their may be intelligent life on other planets and that what happens here on earth is insignificant. Interesting...Y-Town Steelhound;1153942 wrote:That's my exact philosophy on religion.
To think that there isn't intelligent life on SOME other planet is naive in my opinion. Our planet is a grain of sand upon a grain of sand compared to how many planets there are in the universe. We're talking about incomprehensible numbers here...into the billions upon billions. If "our God" truly did only put life on this planet that would be remarkable considering the rest of the planets are apparently a waste.
What we do in this life is insignificant in the realm of universal history, so I don't base my life around something that "might" exist. -
I Wear Pants
Again, faith has nothing to do with it. All about evidence. As for the life on other planets, do we have concrete evidence of life on other planets? No. But we do estimate that there's something like a billion billion planets out there (1 billion x 1 billion) and we know that life can occur on planets since we're here and we're constantly finding planets that are in their respective "Goldilocks zones" and stuff. Do we know for sure? No, but I'd say the odds are pretty good that there's life in some form somewhere else.Skyhook79;1154154 wrote:So you are putting your faith in the assumption that their may be intelligent life on other planets and that what happens here on earth is insignificant. Interesting...
Faith is what you do. You believe a magical being created the universe and all the other things that the Bible says because well, the Bible says so. -
Skyhook79
There is no evidence of intelligent life on any other planet.I Wear Pants;1154719 wrote:Again, faith has nothing to do with it. All about evidence. As for the life on other planets, do we have concrete evidence of life on other planets? No. But we do estimate that there's something like a billion billion planets out there (1 billion x 1 billion) and we know that life can occur on planets since we're here and we're constantly finding planets that are in their respective "Goldilocks zones" and stuff. Do we know for sure? No, but I'd say the odds are pretty good that there's life in some form somewhere else.
Faith is what you do. You believe a magical being created the universe and all the other things that the Bible says because well, the Bible says so. -
FatHobbit
There isn't much evidence for intelligent life on this planet.Skyhook79;1154813 wrote:There is no evidence of intelligent life on any other planet.
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Skyhook79
Isn't much is still more than none.FatHobbit;1154853 wrote:There isn't much evidence for intelligent life on this planet. -
Raw Dawgin' it
There is no evidence of god either.Skyhook79;1154813 wrote:There is no evidence of intelligent life on any other planet. -
enigmaax
Crazy to think that so much of the intelligence that does exist on this planet made it right here to the OC.FatHobbit;1154853 wrote:There isn't much evidence for intelligent life on this planet. -
Skyhook79
Yes there is.Raw Dawgin' it;1154865 wrote:There is no evidence of god either.
here we go again... -
Raw Dawgin' it
You quoting the bible is like me quoting the sci-fi channelSkyhook79;1154879 wrote:Yes there is.
here we go again... -
sleeper
LOL what? There is no evidence of God. If so, I'd love to see it.Skyhook79;1154879 wrote:Yes there is.
here we go again... -
Y-Town Steelhound
Not faith as much as probability. Again, I think that it's naive to believe that we are the only planet in the entire universe with intelligent life.Skyhook79;1154154 wrote:So you are putting your faith in the assumption that their may be intelligent life on other planets and that what happens here on earth is insignificant. Interesting... -
cruiser_96
"Nothing turns into something."
I do not think I will ever comprehend this statement or line of thinking. -
sleeper
Believers want to hoodwink you into thinking "there must be a god because something does not come from nothing" but they forget that if they want to use that line of thinking they are left with the even more complicated notion that something had to create god.cruiser_96;1154960 wrote:"Nothing turns into something."
I do not think I will ever comprehend this statement or line of thinking.
Like I said, religion is akin to a cult. They build in mental outs so that they don't have to answer to any critical scrutiny. The lemmings at the bottom feed the guys at the top; its pretty pathetic. -
Con_Alma
I am a believer and have no desire to hoodwink you or make you believe anything you don't choose to.sleeper;1155008 wrote:Believers want to hoodwink you into thinking "there must be a god because something does not come from nothing" but they forget that if they want to use that line of thinking they are left with the even more complicated notion that something had to create god.
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God is an omnipotent being that doesn't have to have been created while physical elements do. -
sleeper
Aka, cop out. It must be nice to just declare whatever you need to; avoiding having to accept that your beliefs collapse under any critical scrutiny.Con_Alma;1155011 wrote:I am a believer and have no desire to hoodwink you or make you believe anything you don't choose to.
God is an omnipotent being that doesn't have to have been created while physical elements do. -
Raw Dawgin' it
you just made his point...Con_Alma;1155011 wrote:I am a believer and have no desire to hoodwink you or make you believe anything you don't choose to.
God is an omnipotent being that doesn't have to have been created while physical elements do. -
cruiser_96
I do not think recognizing the fact that we are contingent beings is hoodwinking people. I think it's recognizing that we are contingent beings.sleeper;1155008 wrote:Believers want to hoodwink you into thinking "there must be a god because something does not come from nothing" but they forget that if they want to use that line of thinking they are left with the even more complicated notion that something had to create god.
Like I said, religion is akin to a cult. They build in mental outs so that they don't have to answer to any critical scrutiny. The lemmings at the bottom feed the guys at the top; its pretty pathetic.
The fact that we are (I assume we all agree on this) and the fact that "nothing can turn into something" seems to be an impossiblilty should at a minimum expose the fact something happened. No?