Trayvon Martin
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hoops23
Exactly. It's not that hard to fathom. Roll around, mark up your face, etc..Thread Bomber;1128695 wrote:To avoid a murder rap?.......Uhhhm......Yes. -
Ytowngirlinfla
Just because some guy is double your size doesn't mean you can't kick his ass. I've seen this happen plenty of times.hoops23;1128697 wrote:Probably.
Not sure why you're getting so defensive about it. Never said that is what happened. I just said I wouldn't put it past him.
It's just funny to me that the dude got his ass kicked when he's twice the kids size. Seems like a certifiable ****.
He stalks the kid, gets his ass beat, then shoots the kid and claims "self defense" -
Ytowngirlinfla
According to the police report "Zimmerman, according to the Sentinel report, later told police that he lost sight of Martin and was returning to his SUV when the teen approached him. The two exchanged words, according to Zimmerman, who said Martin then punched him in the nose."
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hoops23
SMHYtowngirlinfla;1128701 wrote:Just because some guy is double your size doesn't mean you can't kick his ass. I've seen this happen plenty of times.
Never said that it did. But if you're the one stalking the kid and looking for trouble, yet you get your ass kicked and you're twice the age/size of the kid, it's funny.
As a man, if you had to tell people you got beat up by a 160lb 17 year old, that would be fucking embarrassing. -
hoops23
And this never happens (if it even did) if Zimmerman doesn't stalk the kid. If somebody is following me I'm probably going to get defensive and try to gain control of the situation as well.Ytowngirlinfla;1128702 wrote:According to the police report "Zimmerman, according to the Sentinel report, later told police that he lost sight of Martin and was returning to his SUV when the teen approached him. The two exchanged words, according to Zimmerman, who said Martin then punched him in the nose."
Point blank. -
friendfromlowry
Nope not defensive. Kicking his own ass to avoid murder seemed far-fetched to me, but I guess at this point anything's possible.hoops23;1128697 wrote:Probably.
Not sure why you're getting so defensive about it. Never said that is what happened. I just said I wouldn't put it past him.
It's just funny to me that the dude got his ass kicked when he's twice the kids size. Seems like a certifiable ****.
He stalks the kid, gets his ass beat, then shoots the kid and claims "self defense" -
Ytowngirlinfla
Not if your 17, why wouldn't you just go home and tell your parents someone was following you? He wasn't stalking the kid. That's a terrible word to use.hoops23;1128707 wrote:And this never happens if Zimmerman doesn't stalk the kid. If somebody is following me I'm probably going to get defensive and try to gain control of the situation as well.
Point blank. -
rmolin73
You mean the police report from the Department where the Chief resigned. To bad there isn't any account of what happened by Trayvon. The bottom line is Zimmerman should have stayed his ass in the car like he was instructed to. THE ENDYtowngirlinfla;1128702 wrote:According to the police report "Zimmerman, according to the Sentinel report, later told police that he lost sight of Martin and was returning to his SUV when the teen approached him. The two exchanged words, according to Zimmerman, who said Martin then punched him in the nose." -
dwccrew
Skyhook79;1128502 wrote:No it wasn't.Fab1b;1128504 wrote:It was the father's fiance's home
Did his father not live there? So was it not his father's home? I never stated his father owned the home, but I believe he does live there, hence the kid was visiting his father's home. -
hoops23
What?Ytowngirlinfla;1128709 wrote:Not if your 17, why wouldn't you just go home and tell your parents someone was following you? He wasn't stalking the kid. That's a terrible word to use.
So, was Zimmerman's pursuit of Martin wanted then? Did Martin want Zimmerman to follow him? I wouldn't say he did.Stalking is a term commonly used to refer to unwanted and obsessive attention by an individual or group to another person.
It seems those of you who are pissed that this turned into a race bait are trying to plead for Zimmerman's innocence because of that reason. Race or not, Zimmerman killed a kid. What rallies or groups are saying shouldn't affect the underlying problem in this, which is a kid was shot dead.
Also, when I was 17 I didn't go home a tell my parents. If I had issues with people we took care of them personally.
And you're bringing about a double standard. you expect a 17 year old to go and tell his parents, but the adult is allowed to follow him, and when he gets "attacked" is allowed to pull out a gun and shoot? He should have called the police after the attack, not shoot the kid.
If somebody punches me, I'm not going to shoot them. I'll fight back. -
hoops23
From the CNN article.Selma Mora Lamilla, for instance, told police in her 911 call that she did not hear any altercation, but did hear as someone cried and "whimpered" before the shooting.
And Martin's girlfriend was on the phone with him the entire time, according to a lawyer for the shooting victim's family. Benjamin Crump said last week that the girl "completely blows Zimmerman's absurd self-defense claim out of the water."
What is evident is that, minutes after that Zimmerman's first 911 call, police arrived at the scene. They found Martin "laying face down in the grass," according to a police report. He had been unarmed, carrying only a bag of Skittles candy and an iced tea.
So, the police arrived MINUTES after the initial 911 call. Is "minutes" really long enough to get into a full blown altercation? You also have a neighbor claiming she didn't hear any altercation, but heard somebody whimpering and crying right before the shot was fired.
So, sounds like Martin was pleading for his life to me. -
friendfromlowry
http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/23/justice/florida-teen-zimmerman/index.htmlhoops23;1128728 wrote:From the CNN article.
So, the police arrived MINUTES after the initial 911 call. Is "minutes" really long enough to get into a full blown altercation? You also have a neighbor claiming she didn't hear any altercation, but heard somebody whimpering and crying right before the shot was fired.
So, sounds like Martin was pleading for his life to me.
"Shortly afterward, neighbors began calling 911 to report a fight, then a gunshot. By the time police arrived, Trayvon Martin was dead. Martin was unarmed." -
password
You need to remember that the only place size matters, is in the bedroom. Because someone is bigger than the other person, doesn't mean he is tougher. You can't ever be scared of someone because they are bigger than you, they hit the ground just like everyone else.hoops23;1128673 wrote:What's funny is how Zimmerman is much older and basically twice the kids size, yet it seems he got his ass kicked...
Or, he rolled around in the grass, etc, after shooting and killing Martin to make it look like there was a scuffle. -
mcburg93
Its sad no matter how you look at it. The guy should never got out of his car after the cop told him not to. In my eyes he guilty on that alone. -
Fab1b
That is what I have been saying all along, it went wrong when Zimmerman got out of his car. Everything that happened from that point on was his fault! Anything that comes out on how the "fight" actually went down, phone calls, witness statements, etc.......None of that happens if Zimmerman follows directions given by the 911 dispatcher.mcburg93;1128752 wrote:Its sad no matter how you look at it. The guy should never got out of his car after the cop told him not to. In my eyes he guilty on that alone. -
friendfromlowry
This is another viewpoint I don't understand. In the CNN article from today, the way they make it sound, Zimmerman is going about his business when he notices Martin...he gets out of his car or whatever and starts his pursuit because he thinks Martin looks suspicious. He then calls the cops because he wants them to check it out, and he tells the dispatcher he's following him. The dispatcher tells him we dont need you to follow him, so he stops and heads back to his car, where Martin then confronts him and said altercation ensues.Fab1b;1128754 wrote:That is what I have been saying all along, it went wrong when Zimmerman got out of his car. Everything that happened from that point on was his fault! Anything that comes out on how the "fight" actually went down, phone calls, witness statements, etc.......None of that happens if Zimmerman follows directions given by the 911 dispatcher.
I'm not being a smart ass because I really dont know - did someone post something that proved Zimmerman was acting out of his scope of practice or deliberately disobeying authorities? -
Fab1b
I haven't read or seen the exact point where the fight occurred, if Zimmerman got out of his car to pursue and lost sight of him, think the kid shook him then when he noticed Zimmerman had his backed turned to head back to car he attacked at that point, thinking Zimmerman was heading back to his car to continue looking for him?friendfromlowry;1128755 wrote:This is another viewpoint I don't understand. In the CNN article from today, the way they make it sound, Zimmerman is going about his business when he notices Martin...he gets out of his car or whatever and starts his pursuit because he thinks Martin looks suspicious. He then calls the cops because he wants them to check it out, and he tells the dispatcher he's following him. The dispatcher tells him we dont need you to follow him, so he stops and heads back to his car, where Martin then confronts him and said altercation ensues.
I'm not being a smart ass because I really dont know - did someone post something that proved Zimmerman was acting out of his scope of practice or deliberately disobeying authorities? -
friendfromlowry
That's my understanding of it, yes. I think he was just doing his job and investigating something out of the ordinary, and when told to stop his pursuit, he did. I've never read anywhere where he deliberately went against the police's orders. Who knows, I could be wrong. All we have to go by is shaky witness reports here and there and a half-ass police report.Fab1b;1128760 wrote:I haven't read or seen the exact point where the fight occurred, if Zimmerman got out of his car to pursue and lost sight of him, think the kid shook him then when he noticed Zimmerman had his backed turned to head back to car he attacked at that point, thinking Zimmerman was heading back to his car to continue looking for him? -
Fab1b
Yeah I agree there is so much out there right now don't know what to believe. I think this is going to get much uglier before all said and done though. Just hope no one does something stupid, or riots, etc...!
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Ytowngirlinfla
The problem with this whole story is they didn't release the police report putting words into the media's mouth's that probably didn't even happen. I think if the police report leaked is true then I don't think there would be so much racial outrage.
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Ytowngirlinfla
I also love how the new black panther group has issued money for the capture of him. The Anti-Defamation League, the Southern Poverty Law Center, and the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights consider the New Black Panthers to be a hate group. But no one is saying anything about that. So a hate group wants to get a supposed racist. I guess 2 wrongs make it right?
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password
I wonder if his mother will also be filing a lawsuit against Skittles? Think about it, if the kid didn't go to the store to buy them, he would not have been killed.
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password
I think they are the same group that was threatening and beating people up if they didn't vote for Obama. They were investigated and the person Obama appointed to the supreme court dropped all charges, even though they had video taped proof.Ytowngirlinfla;1128768 wrote:I also love how the new black panther group has issued money for the capture of him. The Anti-Defamation League, the Southern Poverty Law Center, and the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights consider the New Black Panthers to be a hate group. But no one is saying anything about that. So a hate group wants to get a supposed racist. I guess 2 wrongs make it right? -
Fab1b
While I was eating dinner here at the office in our break room they always have CNN on (hate it) but anyways some talking head from the New Black Panthers was on stating they are a military group! I about spit my drink out! I said go ahead and act like the military and see what happens. Anyone that is stupid enough to try to capture Zimmerman for the NBP's will be made a huge example of I would assume and hope! How anyone, especially blacks, can rally behind groups like the NBP's is beyond me!