Trayvon Martin

• sleeper

  

  Mooney44Cards;1128287 wrote:HAY GUYZ IF WE IGNORE IT MAYBIE IT WILL GO AWAY

  I didn't say "ignore it" I said stop making it about race. A man was shot, quite possibly wrongfully shot. Whether the man is a racist is irrelevant.
• fish82

  

  Writerbuckeye;1127872 wrote:Yep. The race baiters have been howling for "justice" since this happened -- and have turned this into a black-white issue even though Mr. Zimmerman is clearly not simply caucasion.

  Agreed...still trying to wrap my head around the term "white Hispanic." WTF is that?
• Mooney44Cards

  

  sleeper;1128288 wrote:I didn't say "ignore it" I said stop making it about race. A man was shot, quite possibly wrongfully shot. Whether the man is a racist is irrelevant.

  It's not irrelevant. Whether he was a racist or not reveals his intent, and intent is the difference between manslaughter and murder.
  
  Also keep in mind that if a black man had shot a man of any other race other than black, he would probably not be walking free like this guy is at the moment. The system is inherently racist.
  
  The bullshit you're feeding us is this "in a vacuum", "in a perfect world" or "all things being equal" scenarios that don't exist in real life. You can say "don't bring race into this", but race is brought into everything by everyone whether they consciously know it or not. Therefore when we're trying to break down reasoning and intent when solving a crime, race MUST be brought into it because race is ALWAYS a factor, we just don't know how much. If we ignore race, we're ignoring a HUGE possible motive.
• wildcats20

  

  fish82;1128308 wrote:Agreed...still trying to wrap my head around the term "white Hispanic." WTF is that?

  Being white is not that same as being Hispanic.
  
  Race is not the same thing as Ethnicity.
• sleeper

  

  Mooney44Cards;1128310 wrote:It's not irrelevant. Whether he was a racist or not reveals his intent, and intent is the difference between manslaughter and murder.
  
  Also keep in mind that if a black man had shot a man of any other race other than black, he would probably not be walking free like this guy is at the moment. The system is inherently racist.
  
  The bullshit you're feeding us is this "in a vacuum", "in a perfect world" or "all things being equal" scenarios that don't exist in real life. You can say "don't bring race into this", but race is brought into everything by everyone whether they consciously know it or not. Therefore when we're trying to break down reasoning and intent when solving a crime, race MUST be brought into it because race is ALWAYS a factor, we just don't know how much. If we ignore race, we're ignoring a HUGE possible motive.

  What would be his intent if this child was white?
• Mooney44Cards

  

  fish82;1128308 wrote:Agreed...still trying to wrap my head around the term "white Hispanic." WTF is that?

  Jesus christ I swear to god everyone on this website is mentally handicapped.
  
  White Hispanic
  
  
  Black Hispanic
  
  
  
  edit: Technically ^^^^this is a bad example since Sammy Sosa is kind of White Hispanic now, but you get the idea.
• Mooney44Cards

  

  sleeper;1128317 wrote:What would be his intent if this child was white?

  Well I'd say racism if he had a history of saying/doing racist things against white people. If not, that would probably be ruled out as a motive.
• Pick6

  

  Mooney44Cards;1128318 wrote:Jesus christ I swear to god everyone on this website is mentally handicapped.
  .

  I find this as a personal attack.
• Mooney44Cards

  

  Pick6;1128325 wrote:I find this as a personal attack.

  1) That sentence doesn't make sense
  
  2)
• sleeper

  

  Mooney44Cards;1128320 wrote:Well I'd say racism if he had a history of saying/doing racist things against white people. If not, that would probably be ruled out as a motive.

  Link?
• Pick6

  

  Mooney44Cards;1128328 wrote:1) That sentence doesn't make sense
  
  2)

  Talking about crying, you seem to be the piss baby on this thread.
• friendfromlowry

  I had been following this story on CNN last week and I actually haven't heard anything since Friday night. I was driving home listening to newsradio discuss this and a guy called in saying he and his wife went to Florida annually in the winter. When the story broke last month, it was that Zimmerman spotted Martin walking home, acting suspicious, so he wanted the cops to come. Well Zimmerman started to follow him while on the phone with 911, and he was ordered to stop his "pursuit." So he did and Martin disappeared, but moments later he attacked Zimmerman from behind. So a scuffle ensues and Zimmerman appears to be getting his ass kicked before eventually shooting Martin. Now the problem is, no one wants to testify one way or the other. Supposedly multiple witnesses claim that Martin was beating Zimmerman, which may be hard to believe as Zimmerman is bigger & older, but if you're a pussy then you're a pussy...
  Granted I'm aware that's just one man account and anyone can say anything, but it makes sense.
  
  Of course there's the other account that Zimmerman just followed him, antagonized the situation, then shot him. The racist discussion comes in because supposedly he called him a name during the scuffle. But the police department as well as audio engineers at CNN all listened to the phonecall and no one could clearly make out where/if that ever happened.
  
  One thing I can't stand about these situations is Al Sharpton. I wish this guy would just disappear from the face of the planet. Anytime there's a tense situation with black people, he shows up adding fuel to the fire and makes everything worse. For someone who's such a power figure and garners a lot of attention (from people and media) he sure does act like an inconsiderate prick.
• sleeper

  

  friendfromlowry;1128370 wrote:I had been following this story on CNN last week and I actually haven't heard anything since Friday night. I was driving home listening to newsradio discuss this and a guy called in saying he and his wife went to Florida annually in the winter. When the story broke last month, it was that Zimmerman spotted Martin walking home, acting suspicious, so he wanted the cops to come. Well Martin started to follow him while on the phone with 911, and he was ordered to stop his "pursuit." So he did and Martin disappeared, but moments later he attacked Zimmerman from behind. So a scuffle ensues and Zimmerman appears to be getting his ass kicked before eventually shooting Martin. Now the problem is, no one wants to testify one way or the other. Supposedly multiple witnesses claim that Martin was beating Zimmerman, which may be hard to believe as Zimmerman is bigger & older, but if you're a pussy then you're a pussy...
  Granted I'm aware that's just one man account and anyone can say anything, but it makes sense.
  
  Of course there's the other account that Zimmerman just followed him, antagonized the situation, then shot him. The racist discussion comes in because supposedly he called him a name during the scuffle. But the police department as well as audio engineers at CNN all listened to the phonecall and no one could clearly make out where/if that ever happened.
  
  One thing I can't stand about these situations is Al Sharpton. I wish this guy would just disappear from the face of the planet. Anytime there's a tense situation with black people, he shows up adding fuel to the fire and makes everything worse. For someone who's such a power figure and garners a lot of attention (from people and media) he sure does act like an inconsiderate prick.

  That's the thing. #1 Why is this young man in his neighborhood at night anyway? #2 Why did this young man attack Zimmerman? #3 If Zimmerman had called him an A-hole instead of whatever he allegedly said, would it still be about race?
  
  #3 the answer would be yes, because its always about race, which is sad and intellectually dishonest.
• sleeper

  

  http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/trayvon-martin-trademarks-769123
  
  Looks like the mother is already trying to make money off the death of her son; sickening.
  

  Sabrina Fulton is seeking marks for the phrases “I Am Trayvon”and “Justice for Trayvon,”according to filings made last week with the United States Patent and Trademark Office. In both instances, Fulton is seeking the trademarks for use on “Digital materials, namely, CDs and DVDs featuring Trayvon Martin,” and other products.

• wildcats20

  

  #1 He had family there.
  
  If you actually read anything about the story, you would know that.
• Mooney44Cards

  

  Pick6;1128369 wrote:Talking about crying, you seem to be the piss baby on this thread.

  At least I'm trying to actually discuss the topic of this thread instead of coming on here and telling everyone how you got butthurt by a few words.
• sleeper

  

  wildcats20;1128377 wrote:#1 He had family there.
  
  If you actually read anything about the story, you would know that.

  Ok, assume you are correct, answer to #2?
• wildcats20

  

  sleeper;1128381 wrote:Ok, assume you are correct, answer to #2?

  There is no assuming I am correct. The kid had family that lived in the neighborhood.
  
  And there is no answer to #2.
• sleeper

  

  wildcats20;1128382 wrote:There is no assuming I am correct. The kid had family that lived in the neighborhood.
  
  And there is no answer to #2.

  Yeah I don't believe for a second that he had family in the area. The answer to #2 is an important question to answer.
• Mooney44Cards

  

  sleeper;1128376 wrote:http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/trayvon-martin-trademarks-769123
  
  Looks like the mother is already trying to make money off the death of her son; sickening.

  Ya man, I hate those selfish people that like when their kid has cancer they have like a spaghetti dinner to raise money for the kid's medical bills and shit. Like, fuck you man, don't try to make money off your kid having cancer! That's bullshit!
• wildcats20

  

  There is no proof that #2 happened.
• sleeper

  

  Mooney44Cards;1128384 wrote:Ya man, I hate those selfish people that like when their kid has cancer they have like a spaghetti dinner to raise money for the kid's medical bills and shit. Like, fuck you man, don't try to make money off your kid having cancer! That's bullshit!

  An irrelevant comparison. The kid is dead, this isn't about raising money, this is about making a profit off the loss of your son. It's disgusting.
• thavoice

  friendfromlowry;1128370 wrote:I had been following this story on CNN last week and I actually haven't heard anything since Friday night. I was driving home listening to newsradio discuss this and a guy called in saying he and his wife went to Florida annually in the winter. When the story broke last month, it was that Zimmerman spotted Martin walking home, acting suspicious, so he wanted the cops to come. Well Zimmerman started to follow him while on the phone with 911, and he was ordered to stop his "pursuit." So he did and Martin disappeared, but moments later he attacked Zimmerman from behind. So a scuffle ensues and Zimmerman appears to be getting his ass kicked before eventually shooting Martin. Now the problem is, no one wants to testify one way or the other. Supposedly multiple witnesses claim that Martin was beating Zimmerman, which may be hard to believe as Zimmerman is bigger & older, but if you're a **** then you're a ****...
  Granted I'm aware that's just one man account and anyone can say anything, but it makes sense.
  
  Of course there's the other account that Zimmerman just followed him, antagonized the situation, then shot him. The racist discussion comes in because supposedly he called him a name during the scuffle. But the police department as well as audio engineers at CNN all listened to the phonecall and no one could clearly make out where/if that ever happened.
  
  One thing I can't stand about these situations is Al Sharpton. I wish this guy would just disappear from the face of the planet. Anytime there's a tense situation with black people, he shows up adding fuel to the fire and makes everything worse. For someone who's such a power figure and garners a lot of attention (from people and media) he sure does act like an inconsiderate prick.

  Yeah, I just heard about that on the radio about how he supposedly attacked Zimmerman. I have been waiting to hold judgement because I knew more of the story would come out. Apparently the kid had been expelled from school as well so he wasnt some angel and saint.
  
  Now, I dont believe he attacked zimmerman...but I knew there was more than what they originally was reporting.
• sleeper

  

  wildcats20;1128386 wrote:There is no proof that #2 happened.

  Yes there is, Zimmerman was beaten in the engagement. So much for knowing the story :rolleyes:
• Mooney44Cards

  

  sleeper;1128388 wrote:An irrelevant comparison. The kid is dead, this isn't about raising money, this is about making a profit off the loss of your son. It's disgusting.

  Oh so they don't have any funeral fees or legal fees to pay for?