Notre Dame Football 2010.......The Brian Kelly Era Begins

• sjmvsfscs08

  I didn't necessarily agree with the article, just posting it. Football news is rare this time of year. Fall needs to hurry up and get here!
• Little Danny

  

  ND fans, UC fan who comes here in peace...
  
  Are the ND players going camping in a few weeks? At UC we have traditionally went away for "training camp" for a few weeks up at Camp Higher Ground in Indiana. I remember when Kelly first came to UC he hated the thought. After going the first year he fell in love with the idea. Coaches have always stated the team bonded more and they got more development in those 2-3 weeks than they did all season.
• rock_knutne

  athlete37;424486 wrote:recruiting hasn't been an issue since Weis, and ND had better perimeter players on offense that any team last year, including the southern elite schools. (Floyd and Tate, when healthy, can't be topped as far as WR tandems go)

  
  I agree, Weis did a very good job at recruiting and his offense wasn't too bad either, he just couldn't develop a complete football team. Hopefully Kelly can right the wrongs that ND endured under Weis, he has a load of talent to work with. Time will tell.
• rock_knutne

  Little Danny;424731 wrote:ND fans, UC fan who comes here in peace...
  
  Are the ND players going camping in a few weeks? At UC we have traditionally went away for "training camp" for a few weeks up at Camp Higher Ground in Indiana. I remember when Kelly first came to UC he hated the thought. After going the first year he fell in love with the idea. Coaches have always stated the team bonded more and they got more development in those 2-3 weeks than they did all season.

  
  I haven't heard or read anything about ND leaving campus for a training camp. IMO, why leave ND's facilities, they're arguably second to none and can be in complete lock down/isolation mode if Kelly wants (which he hasn't done), Weis ran things that way.
• vball10set

  sjmvsfscs08;424600 wrote: Fall needs to hurry up and get here!

  THIS
• The Equalizer

  

  Weis' recruiting was usually pretty good but his playcalling sucked ass. Let's wait till we're down in the 4th to start throwing the ball more than 20 yards downfield because God dammit, we're gonna make sure Robert Hughes gets his 15 touches a game, usually a draw play on 3rd and 15. -_-
• athlete37

  

  sjmvsfscs08;424600 wrote:I didn't necessarily agree with the article, just posting it. Football news is rare this time of year. Fall needs to hurry up and get here!

  ya man i agree. i was just commenting on it, i'm sure you'd agree with what i said
• rock_knutne

  The Equalizer;425127 wrote:Weis' recruiting was usually pretty good but his playcalling sucked ass. Let's wait till we're down in the 4th to start throwing the ball more than 20 yards downfield because God dammit, we're gonna make sure Robert Hughes gets his 15 touches a game, usually a draw play on 3rd and 15. -_-

  
  
  I don't agree with this. ND had one of the top offenses in CFB last year, they also did well during Brady Quinn's two seasons under Weis. Clausen's freshman year was a matter of ND being so green and they imprrved in his sophomore year. I know yourself and ewok will revert to last years USC game as proof to your argument but IMO, the defense was a major factor. Michighan and USC game in point.......how do you let two freshmen (Forcier/Barkley) throw and run all over you? It was so bad that Weis ordered the defense to let Stanford score late in the game so they could get the ball back quicker, to me that's sad and the real problem under Charlie Weis. Bad play calling and all, the offense averaged more than enough points to win football games, the defense couldn't do shit.
  
  I'm not even worried about this year's offense, what concerns me is the defense.I really hope that Brian Kelly can get the defense going in the right direction because as the last two years has shown us.......playing in a shoot out type game is a 50/50 proposition.
• killer_ewok

  

  rock_knutne;425519 wrote:I don't agree with this. ND had one of the top offenses in CFB last year, they also did well during Brady Quinn's two seasons under Weis. Clausen's freshman year was a matter of ND being so green and they imprrved in his sophomore year. I know yourself and ewok will revert to last years USC game as proof to your argument but IMO, the defense was a major factor. Michighan and USC game in point.......how do you let two freshmen (Forcier/Barkley) throw and run all over you? It was so bad that Weis ordered the defense to let Stanford score late in the game so they could get the ball back quicker, to me that's sad and the real problem under Charlie Weis. Bad play calling and all, the offense averaged more than enough points to win football games, the defense couldn't do shit.
  
  I'm not even worried about this year's offense, what concerns me is the defense.I really hope that Brian Kelly can get the defense going in the right direction because as the last two years has shown us.......playing in a shoot out type game is a 50/50 proposition.

  Weis' playcalling was conservative for the most part until ND had to open it up when they were either down big or down late. Predictable playcalling. If me, Equalizer and Mots knew what play was coming on a given down and distance.....I'm pretty sure the opponent's defense was ready for it. He could've called the game wide open from the opening whistle....but he played not to lose.....and lost anyways.
• sjmvsfscs08

  killer_ewok;425668 wrote:....but he played not to lose.....and lost anyways.

  
  He called the game how smart NFL coordinators do. Which is "don't lose the game in the first half and make adjustments at half to win it in the second half." That's basically how I thought it was under Weis. You will never be able to convince me he was not good enough with the offense (although I wish they'd have been able to run a bit more). The defense was just so bad it was laughable.
  
  cc go fuck yourself. Good offense + bad defense = mediocre season.
• Hamp89

  sjmvsfscs08;425743 wrote:He called the game how smart NFL coordinators do. Which is "don't lose the game in the first half and make adjustments at half to win it in the second half." That's basically how I thought it was under Weis. You will never be able to convince me he was not good enough with the offense (although I wish they'd have been able to run a bit more). The defense was just so bad it was laughable.
  
  cc go fuck yourself. Good offense + bad defense = mediocre season.

  
  I agree with this for the most part (and the cc comment, lol). Weis's general lack of attention to the defense (and special teams) is essentially why he isn't on the sidelines this year. Sure there were times where the playcalling had us all scratching our heads, but what team or coach doesn't have moments like that? It's definitely hard to argue the stats and numbers that ND's offense put up in the Weis era - they have pretty much rewritten ND's record books on the offensive side. Opening up the playbook pretty much consisted of throwing deep balls on every down to Floyd and Tate - while it definitely worked a lot of times, it's crazy to call that practical playcalling.
  Charlie Weis just was not a complete football coach, or head coach, and probably never will be. It was without a doubt, a miserably failed experiment. Although we have all disagreed on his playcalling, I think we can all say ND is in a much better place by not having Weis on the sidelines this year.
• rock_knutne

  killer_ewok;425668 wrote:Weis' playcalling was conservative for the most part until ND had to open it up when they were either down big or down late. Predictable playcalling. If me, Equalizer and Mots knew what play was coming on a given down and distance.....I'm pretty sure the opponent's defense was ready for it. He could've called the game wide open from the opening whistle....but he played not to lose.....and lost anyways.

  
  Because the defense sucked.
• rock_knutne

  ccrunner609;425649 wrote:Yes......the mythical top recruiting classes. I love that shit. Now we have the nutchasers talking about how ND had the best offense in the country. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL. Then why in the fuck were they6-6?

  How fucking stupid are you?
• karen lotz

  

  8 football players are part of 43 arrested after police break up a party last night. TJ Jones, Nate Montana, Lo Wood, and Nick Tausch among the notables. Not a good thing to have hanging over these 8 guys and the rest of the team with camp opening in a few weeks...
  
  http://www.wndu.com/hometop/headlines/98659904.html
  
  
  
  Last time there was this kind of incident, first time offenders were not suspended by Res Life, so there has been a precedent set. Just wanted to get that in before cc and others come on here and say ND is looking the other way because its ND.
• athlete37

  

  ya south bend police, good job. arrest a bunch of 19 and 20 year olds for a few beers. I'm sure the 20 year old basketball player with a 3.8 in the number one business school in the country is really a deliquent enough that he needs a ticket for 3 or 4 beers....
• killer_ewok

  

  sjmvsfscs08;425743 wrote:He called the game how smart NFL coordinators do. Which is "don't lose the game in the first half and make adjustments at half to win it in the second half." That's basically how I thought it was under Weis. You will never be able to convince me he was not good enough with the offense (although I wish they'd have been able to run a bit more). The defense was just so bad it was laughable.
  
  cc go fuck yourself. Good offense + bad defense = mediocre season.

  And therein lies one of the big problems that Weis had while at ND.....it's NOT the pros so that "business-like" approach doesn't fucking work. And calling the game that way works in the NFL but not in college.
  
  
  

  Hamp89;425770 wrote:I agree with this for the most part (and the cc comment, lol). Weis's general lack of attention to the defense (and special teams) is essentially why he isn't on the sidelines this year. Sure there were times where the playcalling had us all scratching our heads, but what team or coach doesn't have moments like that? It's definitely hard to argue the stats and numbers that ND's offense put up in the Weis era - they have pretty much rewritten ND's record books on the offensive side. Opening up the playbook pretty much consisted of throwing deep balls on every down to Floyd and Tate - while it definitely worked a lot of times, it's crazy to call that practical playcalling.
  Charlie Weis just was not a complete football coach, or head coach, and probably never will be. It was without a doubt, a miserably failed experiment. Although we have all disagreed on his playcalling, I think we can all say ND is in a much better place by not having Weis on the sidelines this year.

  Nobody was saying "chuck it deep on every play." That's silly. But the same fucking screen to Hughes or Allen or the frequent stretch handoff to Hughes or continuing to run up the middle on 3rd and 4th & 1 when your team has shown you that they're probably not going to convert and the D fucking knows it's coming anyways (just to name a few) were nauseating. "Ya' are what ya' are." I believe Weis said that when he got hired. Well, his team/personnel was not smash mouth running team and that dink-and-dunk shit did nothing but dig ND a hole and then when he decided to open it up....they actually scored quite a bit. But it was usually too late by then.
  
  
  

  rock_knutne;425779 wrote:Because the defense sucked.

  It's easy to simply blame the defense for everything. Well they were, without a doubt, the weakest link on the team.......we knew the defense wasn't going to be good and the offense was going to have to carry the team. Might as well take your chances in shoot outs. There were times that the D made some big stops and the offense went out their and shit down their leg behind piss poor playcalling. Sure, execution was to blame at times and there's enough blame to go around but I think it's a shame that Weis' playcalling tends to get a free pass. After the first two seasons....it went downhill-big time.
  
  We've all argued this countless times before and there are people on both sides of the fence on this one. We can agree to disagree.
• killer_ewok

  

  karen lotz;425826 wrote:8 football players are part of 43 arrested after police break up a party last night. TJ Jones, Nate Montana, Lo Wood, and Nick Tausch among the notables. Not a good thing to have hanging over these 8 guys and the rest of the team with camp opening in a few weeks...
  
  http://www.wndu.com/hometop/headlines/98659904.html
  
  Last time there was this kind of incident, first time offenders were not suspended by Res Life, so there has been a precedent set. Just wanted to get that in before cc and others come on here and say ND is looking the other way because its ND.

  
  Not good.
• sjmvsfscs08

  Good to see some ND players are in the same boat I am. GO IRISH! hahah
• karen lotz

  

  sjmvsfscs08;425950 wrote:Good to see some ND players are in the same boat I am. GO IRISH! hahah

  lol
• yobro08

  wow college kids drinking...what an offense/surprise
• sjmvsfscs08

  I had a good laugh opening up espn.com and seeing four of the top five "headlines" mentioning Notre Dame, and the first "insider" story being a preview of Notre Dame.
  
  Yeah, completely irrelevant.
• TheMightyGators

  The shocking thing in this is that, 34 of the 44 arrested, had a bac under the legal limit...at 1:52am on a Friday!! Maybe they don't start drinking until around midnight at ND.
• killer_ewok

  

  TheMightyGators;426407 wrote:The shocking thing in this is that, 34 of the 44 arrested, had a bac under the legal limit...at 1:52am on a Friday!! Maybe they don't start drinking until around midnight at ND.

  
  LOL. That is pretty crazy.
• slingshot4ever

  rock_knutne;425519 wrote:I don't agree with this. ND had one of the top offenses in CFB last year, they also did well during Brady Quinn's two seasons under Weis. Clausen's freshman year was a matter of ND being so green and they imprrved in his sophomore year. I know yourself and ewok will revert to last years USC game as proof to your argument but IMO, the defense was a major factor. Michighan and USC game in point.......how do you let two freshmen (Forcier/Barkley) throw and run all over you? It was so bad that Weis ordered the defense to let Stanford score late in the game so they could get the ball back quicker, to me that's sad and the real problem under Charlie Weis. Bad play calling and all, the offense averaged more than enough points to win football games, the defense couldn't do shit.
  
  I'm not even worried about this year's offense, what concerns me is the defense.I really hope that Brian Kelly can get the defense going in the right direction because as the last two years has shown us.......playing in a shoot out type game is a 50/50 proposition.

  
  He couldn't get Cincy to play defense. Do you really expect that to change? His focus is only on offense based on how his previous teams have played defense, just like Weis.
• killer_ewok

  

  slingshot4ever;426455 wrote:He couldn't get Cincy to play defense. Do you really expect that to change? His focus is only on offense based on how his previous teams have played defense, just like Weis.

  
  And unlike Weis.....Brian Kelly is a proven winner at the college level as a Head Coach. His defenses have been less than stellar.....but his offenses have been outstanding and the W-L record speaks for itself. Now, I'm not saying this is a guarantee that Kelly will have this same success at ND but it's worth mentioning.