how do you see the playoff?
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lakeflyerMike
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lakeflyerMike
I don't understand why some people can't admit the SEC is better. I wear my Buckeye underwear to bed every night and still can see the SEC is by far and away better then the rest of the country.
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ernest_t_bass
FSU and Oklahoma disagree. The top heavy portion of their conference? I'd agree. The SEC's best teams, collectively, are probably better than other conference's best teams, collectively.lakeflyerMike;1600369 wrote:I don't understand why some people can't admit the SEC is better. I wear my Buckeye underwear to bed every night and still can see the SEC is by far and away better then the rest of the country. -
sherm03
I agree with this as well.sleeper;1600363 wrote: 8 teams; 5 automatic qualifiers for winning a power conference(SEC, B1G, B12, PAC, ACC); 3 at larges that must select undefeated mid majors or independents. If none exist, you take the 3 highest ranked teams at the final AP/Coaches poll regardless of conference. You may have a once in a century situation where you have 4 undefeated mid majors and someone would get left out and would bitch but you can't plan for every scenario in the world.
But that's not the scenario we have right now. We only have 4 teams. So I say you make all 4 at-large bids. The top 4 ranked teams make it in, regardless of conference. It's the same situation you would use for at-large bids in your scenario. All I'm saying is to make all 4 spots under the current format at-large. -
ernest_t_bass
Then you remove ANY ranking system that "counts" until after so many weeks. Pre-season rankings should not be allowed to play any factors. The "best" 4 teams at the end of the season, right now, are influenced by the idiotic preseason rankings.sherm03;1600392 wrote:I agree with this as well.
But that's not the scenario we have right now. We only have 4 teams. So I say you make all 4 at-large bids. The top 4 ranked teams make it in, regardless of conference. It's the same situation you would use for at-large bids in your scenario. All I'm saying is to make all 4 spots under the current format at-large. -
lakeflyerMike
The preseason rankings are a joke, but it gives people like us something to argue about.ernest_t_bass;1600395 wrote:Then you remove ANY ranking system that "counts" until after so many weeks. Pre-season rankings should not be allowed to play any factors. The "best" 4 teams at the end of the season, right now, are influenced by the idiotic preseason rankings. -
sherm03
I've been saying that for years. They would never do it because they want to sell magazines and get page hits. But I don't think there should be any type of ranking until at least week 4.ernest_t_bass;1600395 wrote:Then you remove ANY ranking system that "counts" until after so many weeks. Pre-season rankings should not be allowed to play any factors. The "best" 4 teams at the end of the season, right now, are influenced by the idiotic preseason rankings. -
Classyposter58
The entire SEC is better than all. Super deep conference which is why it wins so many bowl gamesernest_t_bass;1600373 wrote:FSU and Oklahoma disagree. The top heavy portion of their conference? I'd agree. The SEC's best teams, collectively, are probably better than other conference's best teams, collectively. -
sleeper
Tell that to Auburn and Alabama; sounds like they didn't get the memo.Classyposter58;1600416 wrote:The entire SEC is better than all. Super deep conference which is why it wins so many bowl games -
ernest_t_bass
God, just shut up.Classyposter58;1600416 wrote:The entire SEC is better than all. Super deep conference which is why it wins so many bowl games -
lakeflyerMike
sleeper;1600420 wrote:Tell that to Auburn and Alabama; sounds like they didn't get the memo.
Your right, the Sun Belt Conference is the bestSun Belt 2 0 1.000 Southeastern 7 3 .700 Pac-12 6 3 .667 Independents 2 1 .667 Big 12 3 3 .500 C-USA 3 3 .500 Mountain West 3 3 .500 Atlantic Coast 5 6 .454 American 2 3 .400 Big Ten 2 5 .286 Mid-American 0 5 .000 -
sleeper
Yeah I'm super impressed with bowl wins over Rice, Houston, Duke, and Georgia Tech. So strong.lakeflyerMike;1600422 wrote:
Your right, the Sun Belt Conference is the bestSun Belt 2 0 1.000 Southeastern 7 3 .700 Pac-12 6 3 .667 Independents 2 1 .667 Big 12 3 3 .500 C-USA 3 3 .500 Mountain West 3 3 .500 Atlantic Coast 5 6 .454 American 2 3 .400 Big Ten 2 5 .286 Mid-American 0 5 .000
Not to mention 2 of those teams were B12 teams 2 years ago and were average at best but once joining the almighty SEC they started carrying the conference. SEC = Overrated. Glad you are easily hoodwinked by media influence though. : thumbup: -
coachchuck
ok a little of the topic but what makes a strong confrence? Wins vs other confrences? Bowl wins? National Titles? Putting players in the NFL that produce when they get there?
Do the numbers lie in this case?2000 Oklahoma 13-0 Orange: Beat Florida St. 13-2 Bob Stoops 2001 Miami, Fla. 12-0 Rose: Beat Nebraska 37-14 Larry Coker 2002 Ohio State 14-0 Fiesta: Beat Miami, Fla. 31-24 (2 ot) Jim Tressel 2003 LSU (National Champs)
USC (#1 in AP Poll)13-1
12-1Sugar: Beat Oklahoma 21-14
Rose: Beat Michigan 28-14Nick Saban
Pete Carroll#-2004 USC 13-0 Orange: Beat Oklahoma 55-19 Pete Carroll #-2005 Texas 13-0 Rose: Beat USC 41-38 Mack Brown 2006 Florida 13-1 BCS Championship Game:
Beat Ohio State 41-14Urban Meyer 2007 LSU 12-2 BCS Championship Game:
Beat Ohio State 38-24Les Miles 2008 Florida 13-1 BCS Championship Game:
Beat Oklahoma 24-14Urban Meyer 2009 Alabama 14-0 BCS Championship Game:
Beat Texas 37-21Nick Saban 2010 Auburn 14-0 BCS Championship Game:
Beat Oregon 22-19Gene Chizik 2011 Alabama 12-1 BCS Championship Game:
Beat LSU 21-0Nick Saban 2012 Alabama 13-1 BCS Championship Game:
Beat Notre Dame 42-14Nick Saban 2013 Florida State 14-0 BCS Championship Game:
Beat Auburn 34-31Jimbo Fisher
SEC 7 1/2 ( with a split in 2004)
Big 12 2
Pac 12 1 1/2 ( with a split in 2004)
ACC 1
Big East 1
Big Ten 1 -
ernest_t_bass
The numbers show that the best team in the SEC beat the best team from another conference. The numbers don't show, SEC! SEC! SEC! as a conference, as a whole, compared to other conferences, as wholes.
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sleeper
Explain why National Titles = best conference? How does FSU winning the championship make Duke any better?
It's garbage logic brought on by media deals with the conference by ESPN. -
sleeper
Also no one but USC fans actually give USC a title in 2003. There are no such things as half titles in the BCS era.
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ernest_t_bass
Because SEC!, that's why!sleeper;1600443 wrote:Explain why National Titles = best conference? How does FSU winning the championship make Duke any better?
It's garbage logic brought on by media deals with the conference by ESPN.
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sherm03
Wait a second...I thought it was all about wins and losses. Now you're deciding to subjectively say that one win isn't as strong as another win? Not surprised that you rolled over on your initial point. Just surprised you rolled over on it that quickly.sleeper;1600432 wrote:Yeah I'm super impressed with bowl wins over Rice, Houston, Duke, and Georgia Tech. So strong.
Not to mention 2 of those teams were B12 teams 2 years ago and were average at best but once joining the almighty SEC they started carrying the conference. SEC = Overrated. Glad you are easily hoodwinked by media influence though. : thumbup: -
sleeper
A stretch at best. I'm not saying people aren't allowed to have opinions, but I prefer a system in which subjectivity is eliminated to crown a champion vs. just saying "Well these teams only have 2 losses in the SEC therefore they are a top team because SEC".sherm03;1600466 wrote:Wait a second...I thought it was all about wins and losses. Now you're deciding to subjectively say that one win isn't as strong as another win? Not surprised that you rolled over on your initial point. Just surprised you rolled over on it that quickly.
Not surprised a comedian doesn't understand anything. Try getting a real job. -
sherm03
Nah...I'm good. I like my job.sleeper;1600476 wrote:A stretch at best. I'm not saying people aren't allowed to have opinions, but I prefer a system in which subjectivity is eliminated to crown a champion vs. just saying "Well these teams only have 2 losses in the SEC therefore they are a top team because SEC".
Not surprised a comedian doesn't understand anything. Try getting a real job.
And my point isn't a stretch. In lakeflyer's post, he provided unbiased wins and loss records. Using your own logic...the SEC is the best of the major conferences because they have the most wins AND the highest win percentage in the bowl games. You said that they are not because some of those wins are over teams that you inferred to be subpar. But that wasn't your point yesterday. Yesterday, all subjectivity should be removed and everything should be based on wins and losses to prove the best team.
Sucks to suck. -
sleeper
Except the bowl matchups are based on contract deals with bowl games and thus inefficiently allocates the teams based on those arrangements rather than true merit. This is entirely different than using a champion based system giving all teams in D1 a chance to earn a berth into the title game by their performance during the season. You are once again comparing apples and oranges showcasing your true desperation in advocating for a subjective based championship system.sherm03;1600489 wrote:Nah...I'm good. I like my job.
And my point isn't a stretch. In lakeflyer's post, he provided unbiased wins and loss records. Using your own logic...the SEC is the best of the major conferences because they have the most wins AND the highest win percentage in the bowl games. You said that they are not because some of those wins are over teams that you inferred to be subpar. But that wasn't your point yesterday. Yesterday, all subjectivity should be removed and everything should be based on wins and losses to prove the best team.
Sucks to suck. -
wildcats20
A playoff system still will not give all D-1 schools a shot at the championship. -
sherm03
This.wildcats20;1600506 wrote:A playoff system still will not give all D-1 schools a shot at the championship. -
Heretic
You mean I need to stop printing out my Ohio U National Championship T-shirts?wildcats20;1600506 wrote:A playoff system still will not give all D-1 schools a shot at the championship.
DAMN YOU ALL!!!! -
sleeper
The one I have outlined gives all D1 schools a shot at the championship.wildcats20;1600506 wrote:A playoff system still will not give all D-1 schools a shot at the championship.