No SEC bias?

• sleeper

  

  Miami, loses on the road to #2 FSU; drops 8 spots behind both 2 loss LSU and Texas A&M...
  
  In week 2, Georgia, loses to then #5(now #7) Clemson, drops 7 spots ahead of all undefeated teams outside of the SEC. LOL
  
  You have to laugh at the desperate attempts to legitimize SEC dominance when their members never drop despite getting blown out by weaker competition.
• believer

  

  Which SEC team or teams with one or even two losses were "blown out by weaker competition"?
• sleeper

  

  believer;1529418 wrote:Which SEC team or teams with one or even two losses were "blown out by weaker competition"?

  They have 2 losses and are ahead of a team with 1 loss to the #2 team in the country. It's a joke.
• 0311sdp

  There is an SEC bias in the media, look at Michigan State #1 defense in the country 8-1 record and ranked 19th, Wisconsin ranked 23rd. Then look where LSU, Texas A&M, South Carolina, Missouri, and even a 3 loss joke of a team Georgia are ranked. ESPN leads the charge for the SEC because financially they are in bed together, so they talk them up and put everyone else down. They have been doing this for so long and have such a huge umbrella of coverage that a lot of people across the country have bought into this BS. They tell you that last season's 12-0 record for Ohio State means nothing towards this season's ranking but on the other hand they'll tell you that Alabama should be ranked #1 no matter what they look like as long as they're unbeaten because they've won the last 2 NC. You can't have it both ways. Now everyone in the media is jumping on Florida State's (who have played no one all year) quarterback Jameis Winston for the Heisman. He is not even close to Marcus Mariota (oregon) yet he has a good chance of winning because these are the stupid bastards that have most of the votes. They have Johnny Manziel 3rd an even bigger joke, a guy who should have been banned for life from college football.
• believer

  

  0311sdp;1529983 wrote:There is an SEC bias in the media, look at Michigan State #1 defense in the country 8-1 record and ranked 19th, Wisconsin ranked 23rd. Then look where LSU, Texas A&M, South Carolina, Missouri, and even a 3 loss joke of a team Georgia are ranked. ESPN leads the charge for the SEC because financially they are in bed together, so they talk them up and put everyone else down. They have been doing this for so long and have such a huge umbrella of coverage that a lot of people across the country have bought into this BS. They tell you that last season's 12-0 record for Ohio State means nothing towards this season's ranking but on the other hand they'll tell you that Alabama should be ranked #1 no matter what they look like as long as they're unbeaten because they've won the last 2 NC. You can't have it both ways. Now everyone in the media is jumping on Florida State's (who have played no one all year) quarterback Jameis Winston for the Heisman. He is not even close to Marcus Mariota (oregon) yet he has a good chance of winning because these are the stupid bastards that have most of the votes. They have Johnny Manziel 3rd an even bigger joke, a guy who should have been banned for life from college football.

  All reasonable points except 1. Georgia is not ranked and 2. Alabama has won the NC 3 of the past 4 seasons. It's hard to argue that the 2014 NC isn't theirs to lose assuming they survive the SEC title chase.
  
  The SEC has won the last 7 NC's. The only B1G representative in that timeframe was Ohio State and the Buckeyes were demolished by Florida in that contest.
  
  The amount of denial by some B1G fans, in particular Ohio State fans, is staggering when you weigh the facts.
  
  Until one of the other alleged "power" conferences de-throne the SEC it's put up or shut up time.
• 0311sdp

  believer;1530223 wrote:All reasonable points except 1. Georgia is not ranked and 2. Alabama has won the NC 3 of the past 4 seasons. It's hard to argue that the 2014 NC isn't theirs to lose assuming they survive the SEC title chase.
  
  The SEC has won the last 7 NC's. The only B1G representative in that timeframe was Ohio State and the Buckeyes were demolished by Florida in that contest.
  
  The amount of denial by some B1G fans, in particular Ohio State fans, is staggering when you weigh the facts.
  
  Until one of the other alleged "power" conferences de-throne the SEC it's put up or shut up time.

  I think that the SEC is the best overall conference but not by the wide margin that the media would lead you to believe. As for 2014 being Alabama's to lose, I don't agree because as the ESPN genius's said when talking about Ohio State's 21 game winning streak meaning nothing because each season stands on it's own merit. (I don't agree with this myself but if this is the criteria for one team it should be the criteria for all teams including Alabama). The BIG 12 and PAC 12 as well as Notre Dame were also "destroyed" in the title games so why aren't those conferences constantly put down like the BIG? AS for weak nonleague schedules, look who the SEC has played, it's just as bad if not worse than the BIG. Your comment about it being put up or shut up time for the other conferences is a very valid point.
• believer

  

  0311sdp;1530238 wrote:I think that the SEC is the best overall conference but not by the wide margin that the media would lead you to believe. As for 2014 being Alabama's to lose, I don't agree because as the ESPN genius's said when talking about Ohio State's 21 game winning streak meaning nothing because each season stands on it's own merit. (I don't agree with this myself but if this is the criteria for one team it should be the criteria for all teams including Alabama). The BIG 12 and PAC 12 as well as Notre Dame were also "destroyed" in the title games so why aren't those conferences constantly put down like the BIG? AS for weak nonleague schedules, look who the SEC has played, it's just as bad if not worse than the BIG. Your comment about it being put up or shut up time for the other conferences is a very valid point.

  I didn't mention anything about weak OOC schedules but you are correct...the SEC is just as bad about padding records with cupcakes.
  
  I also agree that the media (especially CBS and ESPN with heavy ties to the $EC) are biased against the B1G and to an extent the other power conferences.
  
  Nevertheless the SEC is clearly the dominant conference and will continue to be until NC's and major bowls start to be won consistently by one of the other conferences.
  
  I don't see that happening any time soon though. Top recruits are attracted to the SEC because of the weather, the perception that the SEC will give them the best possible exposure to the NFL, etc.
  
  The days where the B1G, Notre Dame, and other traditional football powers dominate the college football landscape are pretty much a thing of the past UNLESS Michigan, Nebraska, etc. can attract coaching talent like Urban Meyer. Not likely to happen.
  
  Hopefully the beginning of a playoff system MIGHT change that. We'll see.
• 0311sdp

  ^^Agreed
• sleeper

  

  SEC has yet to win a national title. Conferences don't win titles. Nice fail though.
• sleeper

  

  And isn't the B1G .500 against the SEC in bowl games since the BCS era? Such dominance. LOL
• sportswizuhrd

  SEC OOC...
  
  Virginia Tech
  Clemson (x2)
  Miami, FL
  Florida St.
  Wake Forest
  Georgia Tech
  UNC
  TCU
  Texas
  Oklahoma St.
  Rutgers
  UCF
  Louisville
  Washington St.
  
  Compared to Big 10...
  Arizona St.
  Cal(x2)
  Washington
  UCLA
  Notre Dame (x3)
  Northern Illinois (x2)
  UCF
  UConn
  Cincy
  USF
  BYU
  Missouri
  Syracuse(x2)
  UNLV
  San Jose St.
  San Diego St.
  
  Someone said SEC's OOC is just as bad?
• vball10set

  ^^take it a step further and post their records-that'll be a better comparison gauge.
• sleeper

  

  sportswizuhrd;1530583 wrote:SEC OOC...
  
  Virginia Tech
  Clemson (x2)
  Miami, FL
  Florida St.
  Wake Forest
  Georgia Tech
  UNC
  TCU
  Texas
  Oklahoma St.
  Rutgers
  UCF
  Louisville
  Washington St.
  
  Compared to Big 10...
  Arizona St.
  Cal(x2)
  Washington
  UCLA
  Notre Dame (x3)
  Northern Illinois (x2)
  UCF
  UConn
  Cincy
  USF
  BYU
  Missouri
  Syracuse(x2)
  UNLV
  San Jose St.
  San Diego St.
  
  Someone said SEC's OOC is just as bad?

  You forgot Furman and all the junk Sun Belt teams and FCS schools they play towards the end of the year.
• sportswizuhrd

  vball10set;1530605 wrote:^^take it a step further and post their records-that'll be a better comparison gauge.

  I did but it didn't keep the changes instead it signed me out. I think it took too long or something. I will do it again when I have time.
  
  I do have this though...
  
  Combined record of OOC opponents from other 5.5 conferences and Independents
  Big 10 - 58-40
  SEC 86-46
  
  Also, A&M and Arkansas' OOC games were against Rutgers, and SMU who are a combined 8-7.
• believer

  

  sleeper;1530555 wrote:SEC has yet to win a national title.

  Wut? You serious or did I miss the sarcasm?
• Me?

  

  I love how the fact that Alabama plays Chattanooga the week before Thanksgiving doesn't make the OOC list. The B1G is not as far behind the SEC as they want you to believe--if you buy into that you're just drinking the koolaid. Yes, they have won 7 straight national titles. That's 7 games...out of several hundred. I'm not saying they aren't good, they obviously are--they've been on a great run. But the NFL comment is where the argument is lost on the SEC. There aren't that many more players from the SEC in the NFL than the B1G. The SEC makes up something like 15% of the NFL. That's the most. But the B1G, the Big 12, the Pac 12 and the ACC all have double digit percentages. We aren't talking about some 50% share here. Let's look at the last 20 years. SEC has won the last 7, so in the 13 years before that how many did they win? 3. Extend it to 30 years, you can only add one more. So 11...in 30 years. There are natural ebbs and flows of college football and if you study the history, THERE ALWAYS HAVE BEEN. Clearly the SEC is on one of the more dominant runs in that history. But to think that it'll just continue indefinitely and that no other conference will ever be able to compete is to prove the argument that the media has a strong SEC bias, because you've exposed yourself as one who has bought in.
• sleeper

  

  believer;1531003 wrote:Wut? You serious or did I miss the sarcasm?

  Conferences can't win titles. Teams do.
• sleeper

  

  Me?;1531079 wrote:I love how the fact that Alabama plays Chattanooga the week before Thanksgiving doesn't make the OOC list. The B1G is not as far behind the SEC as they want you to believe--if you buy into that you're just drinking the koolaid. Yes, they have won 7 straight national titles. That's 7 games...out of several hundred. I'm not saying they aren't good, they obviously are--they've been on a great run. But the NFL comment is where the argument is lost on the SEC. There aren't that many more players from the SEC in the NFL than the B1G. The SEC makes up something like 15% of the NFL. That's the most. But the B1G, the Big 12, the Pac 12 and the ACC all have double digit percentages. We aren't talking about some 50% share here. Let's look at the last 20 years. SEC has won the last 7, so in the 13 years before that how many did they win? 3. Extend it to 30 years, you can only add one more. So 11...in 30 years. There are natural ebbs and flows of college football and if you study the history, THERE ALWAYS HAVE BEEN. Clearly the SEC is on one of the more dominant runs in that history. But to think that it'll just continue indefinitely and that no other conference will ever be able to compete is to prove the argument that the media has a strong SEC bias, because you've exposed yourself as one who has bought in.

  I didn't even know the SEC conference even existed until year 2006 when Florida beat Ohio State. I remember before the game everyone was talking about how bad the SEC is and how bad Ohio State was going to blow them out.
  
  That was 7 years ago and now all of a sudden SEC is the NFL. LOL
• sleeper

  

  Actually that was 7 years ago and then ESPN got a deal with the SEC and now it is the NFL.
  
  Sorry I'm not hoodwinked into believing a conference that was nothing 7 years ago is now all of a sudden world beaters.
• sportswizuhrd

  Me?;1531079 wrote:I love how the fact that Alabama plays Chattanooga the week before Thanksgiving doesn't make the OOC list.

  A game against Chattanooga in August means Alabama would lose out on the Virginia Tech game. In all reality it could be done since VT has an open date on the 23rd. In the grand scheme of things does it matter when the game is played because it is on their resume at the end of the year? Would you like them to have a bye week instead? Also, does a November game against Chattanooga erase the fact that Alabama opened the season with their first two games against VT and at A&M? Same thing with LSU vs TCU in August with Furman in November and Clemson with Georgia in August and The Citadel in November. Show me an OOC game between two teams like Alabama and Virginia Tech in the month of November BEFORE the conference schedule is over. BYU vs Wisconsin is about it.
• Me?

  

  Uh. First of all A&M is a conference game. Second, VT lost to Duke--did you miss that? And lastly, if Ohio State was playing YSU (a better FCS team) in November, that's all we'd hear about. And it has nothing to do with VT and schedule dates--the big SEC teams do this EVERY year. Give themselves a cupcake game at the end of the season. I honestly don't care, the double standard is what bothers me. You can't tell me I'm wrong about how it would be perceived. It's perceived that way when Ohio State plays a MAC team in early September. THIS ISN'T EVEN A FBS TEAM! It's just funny to me that that was left out of the OOC game list because if would NEVER be left out of the B1G side of that discussion.
• Azubuike24

  

  Does it matter whether you play your FCS team in November or August/September?
  
  Often times, it's very easy to get a big OOC game scheduled for the first or second week.
  
  Also, the SEC starts conference games as early as week 2. Georgia played South Carolina on September 7th. They play their FCS team (App State) on November 9th.
• Me?

  

  No. It doesn't. Are you reading my words, or are you not?
• Me?

  

  "They play their FCS team"...EXACTLY my point. When you talk about playing a FCS team, an SEC "gets to play theirs" on this or that date. If/when Ohio State/Michigan (who don't play FCS teams every year like the SEC teams do) play an FCS team AT ALL, it's "OMG YOU'RE PLAYING AN FCS TEAM!!!"
• Azubuike24

  

  I read your post. And honestly, I don't know why they always do it. However, I know there are a few done because it puts BIG money in the pockets of the opponent. Often times, that opponent is picked due to geographical reasons and/or due to an inside connection, wanting to help out a friend at the President, AD, head coaching, prominent alumni level. Heck, I'd guess every OOC opponent aside from maybe THE big OOC game for each team is done because of this. For SEC teams, geography would leave you with a lot more options in the FCS route. For OSU, MAC opponents are always a solid choice. For instance...
  
  Ohio State plays aBuffalo or Miami OH
  Minnesota plays Western Illinois or North Dakota State
  Both make sense geographically and economically
  
  In reality, for a top end BCS school like Ohio State or Georgia, whether the cupcake is a MAC team, a Sun Belt team or an FCS team, it's basically just a payday for a selected opponent coming in to get smacked.