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vball10set;1590858 wrote:Classy

Oh please. :rolleyes:

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Laley23;1590870 wrote:He did. He got the rebound, and I think it was Walton who was right there when he turned around. Craft jumped and moved the ball to the left as he started his dribble. It was a travel.

I thought he did watching live. Haven't watched a replay, and probably won't since it doesn't matter.

Mulva

friendfromlowry;1590860 wrote:So where do you guys see OSU seeded in the tourney? 6-8 seed?

5-7. Probably a 6. No way they're an 8.

Ironman92

Replay....rebounded with big feet coming down, turned towards defender took a 3rd down and put ball down right before a 4th touched

SportsAndLady

centralbucksfan;1590873 wrote:In that situation, you take the best available shot you have. Craft had a decent shot. It slipped out. Shit happens.

Shit happens. Or craft is shit?

Ironman92

I say 5 maybe 6....will be surprised by a 7

#6 seed will have a better shot of advancing deep IMO

Ironman92

SportsAndLady;1590881 wrote:Shit happens. Or craft is shit?

Shit happens

Laley23

Ironman92;1590880 wrote:Replay....rebounded with big feet coming down, turned towards defender took a 3rd down and put ball down right before a 4th touched

Its all about when the ball was released from his hand, not when it hit ground.

If you land in a jump stop, you can turn and release the ball with a foot starting (still have pivot foot down) and the ball is out just before the pivot foot is picked up. This is what USUALLY happens to all players when they start a dribble. Its second nature, so to speak.

What usually happens when you alter the beginning, like when a player is standing in your way that you didnt see, and what I think happened with Craft is that he came down in a jumpstop. When he went to dribble he then had to alter the ball to the left, which caused him to have to hold onto it slightly longer. The pivot foot was lifted, and essentially, he switched pivot feet. Which, is a travel lol.

But, he lost control anyway, so who cares.

Ironman92;1590883 wrote:I say 5 maybe 6....will be surprised by a 7

#6 seed will have a better shot of advancing deep IMO

Agreed. Ill guess a 6. B1G isnt that good, imo. But it has enough quality teams to really bolster a resume. No way is OSU an 8, especially with a solid finish like they had.

Terry_Tate

SportsAndLady;1590881 wrote:Shit happens. Or craft is shit?

Don't even try to get people to say anything bad about Aaron Craft, it won't happen.

Terry_Tate

Also, think a 6 fits this team. Anywhere from 5 to 7 I could see. Kind of hoping for 7 with Villanova being the 2.

Laley23

Terry_Tate;1590888 wrote:Also, think a 6 fits this team. Anywhere from 5 to 7 I could see. Kind of hoping for 7 with Villanova being the 2.

Id take OSU.

Although, I might have them lose in RD1, but I would for sure take them over Nova.

Terry_Tate

Laley23;1590890 wrote:Id take OSU.

Although, I might have them lose in RD1, but I would for sure take them over Nova.

The problem is I would still probably have them lose round 1 as well, lol. Think Villanova is the one team that will be a top 3 seed that I think Ohio State could beat though.

Edit: Virginia would be the second option to me.

SportsAndLady

Terry_Tate;1590887 wrote:Don't even try to get people to say anything bad about Aaron Craft, it won't happen.

I guess I just don't get it. People LOVE craft. He's a great defender and when surrounded by other great offensive players he can hold his own on the offensive side of the ball, but that's not this year. He's downright horrible on offense when he's a top offensive threat.

And to your point, I say so many bad things about Kansas players lol why is it soooo horrible to say a bad thing about craft, an OSU player? Call a spade a spade

Terry_Tate

I don't know man. Craft is a great human being and a phenomenal defender, and I think because he hustles and is a great person people love him more than normal, but he is freaking terrible offensively. He's an unreal defender, but as great as he is on defense he's that bad on offense. I know it's blasphemy but I won't miss watching him play for Ohio State even though I do love his defense. His offense just makes me want to throw my phone through the tv and I can't take it anymore, lol.

Mulva

Terry_Tate;1590894 wrote:I don't know man. Craft is a great human being and a phenomenal defender, and I think because he hustles and is a great person people love him more than normal, but he is freaking terrible offensively. He's an unreal defender, but as great as he is on defense he's that bad on offense. I know it's blasphemy but I won't miss watching him play for Ohio State even though I do love his defense. His offense just makes me want to throw my phone through the tv and I can't take it anymore, lol.

You like Shannon Scott, so your opinion is voided.

Terry_Tate

Mulva;1590895 wrote:You like Shannon Scott, so your opinion is voided.

Lol'd. Knew this was coming. This is somewhat valid, but doesn't change the fact that Aaron Craft is a terrible jump shooter and is not good at getting an offense going. I still think Shannon Scott is better all around than Aaron Craft just because Craft is so bad at getting an offense going and shooting the ball.

Ironman92

Laley23;1590886 wrote:Its all about when the ball was released from his hand, not when it hit ground.

If you land in a jump stop, you can turn and release the ball with a foot starting (still have pivot foot down) and the ball is out just before the pivot foot is picked up. This is what USUALLY happens to all players when they start a dribble. Its second nature, so to speak.

What usually happens when you alter the beginning, like when a player is standing in your way that you didnt see, and what I think happened with Craft is that he came down in a jumpstop. When he went to dribble he then had to alter the ball to the left, which caused him to have to hold onto it slightly longer. The pivot foot was lifted, and essentially, he switched pivot feet. Which, is a travel lol.

But, he lost control anyway, so who cares.

Agreed. Ill guess a 6. B1G isnt that good, imo. But it has enough quality teams to really bolster a resume. No way is OSU an 8, especially with a solid finish like they had.

Yeah....I know, still a travel.

Moo point

Mulva

Terry_Tate;1590898 wrote:Lol'd. Knew this was coming. This is somewhat valid, but doesn't change the fact that Aaron Craft is a terrible jump shooter and is not good at getting an offense going. I still think Shannon Scott is better all around than Aaron Craft just because Craft is so bad at getting an offense going and shooting the ball.

Craft has a better 2, 3, and FT%, and a better assist/TO ratio.

They are both terrible offensive players, though.

LJ

Terry_Tate;1590898 wrote:Lol'd. Knew this was coming. This is somewhat valid, but doesn't change the fact that Aaron Craft is a terrible jump shooter and is not good at getting an offense going. I still think Shannon Scott is better all around than Aaron Craft just because Craft is so bad at getting an offense going and shooting the ball.

Shannon Scott is awful bro. At least craft doesn't miss layups constantly

KB0938

LJ;1590935 wrote:Shannon Scott is awful bro. At least craft doesn't miss layups constantly

He misses more than his fair share

LJ

KB0938;1590937 wrote:He misses more than his fair share

He does not miss anywhere near as many wide open layups as Scott. Not anywhere close.

Ironman92

LJ;1590940 wrote:He does not miss anywhere near as many wide open layups as Scott. Not anywhere close.

No but he shoots open 3's that miss the rim and land outside the lane

Terry_Tate

LJ;1590935 wrote:Shannon Scott is awful bro. At least craft doesn't miss layups constantly

The layup misses are insanely bad. I'd trust him taking a jump shot more than a contested layup. We'll find out next year how good Scott is when he's in control and playing 30+ MPG though.

vball10set

good post from someone on 11W...

Couldn't watch live today, and despite knowing the outcome, just finished watching on DVR. Couple things stood out to me:
1.Wow, Michigan was lights out shooting the 3 ball. Especially in the 1st half. Extremely impressed OSU was able to come back after taking multiple punches in the gut, but that has been the memo all year..
2. Wow, Lenzelle was bad today. Did he make a 3? I know he didn't make any of the many wide open looks he had.
3. Shannon Scott was terrific. Would love to see him take some of that confidence into the NCAA tourney, and into his senior year next year.
4. Finally, and most importantly, the game was completely changed when an ice cold Craft came off the bench, and decided to become our first offensive option on almost every possession. I love the guy. He has had an incredible career, and he will be greatly missed, but he has to be smarter than that. He sat the bench for a while. Not that he was in any type of a groove before he went to the bench, but dang. I know he hit a big time shot for us last year in the NCAA, but still, I do not think him pulling up for an outside jumper is our best look to end a game.

Prescott

A few other things we learned.

1. Della Valle needs to get stronger. He is not strong enough to fight through double teams.

2.Craft has had a late tendency to think he can take over games at the end. He needs to forget about that.

3.Lenzelle Smith did not play like a senior in the B1G tournament.If his play was the result of the pressure of a one and done scenario, he better figure out a way to release the pressure.

4.Shannon Scott played the best game he has ever played at tOSU. Can the Buckeyes count on him in the tourney?

5.This team has resolve. To fight back from huge deficits while getting punched in the mouth over and over again is impressive.

6. Dan Dakich's son and Mitch McGary need to tone down their clown act.

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