Can Terrelle Pryor have a "Vince Young" type performance in the Rose Bowl?
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DaBrowns41
When we got blown out by the Gators?LTrain23 wrote: OSU's gameplan will surprise you guys.
Think OSU 2006. -
hoops23
haha... No, the season leading up to that. I'm talking about how open the offense was!DaBrowns41 wrote:
When we got blown out by the Gators?LTrain23 wrote: OSU's gameplan will surprise you guys.
Think OSU 2006.
Ass. lol.. -
DaBrowns41
Lol. I meant to put a winky face in there.LTrain23 wrote:
haha... No, the season leading up to that. I'm talking about how open the offense was!DaBrowns41 wrote:
When we got blown out by the Gators?LTrain23 wrote: OSU's gameplan will surprise you guys.
Think OSU 2006.
Ass. lol..
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TiernanTP will have a solid, but not spectacular performance against ORE. He won't need to - Defense will win the game for OSU.
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3reppom
There is a huge difference between then and now. Jim Tressel had complete trust, or faith or whatever other generic adjective you want to put in there with Troy Smith. Conversely Tressel has demonstrated with his game plans this year, particularly late in the year that he doesn't trust Pryor at all and has game planned around Terrelle attempting the limit the negative impact he can have on a game. I would hope that they have done some self scouting and figured out that they need to take the leash off of him if they ever want to see him reach his enormous potential.LTrain23 wrote:
haha... No, the season leading up to that. I'm talking about how open the offense was!DaBrowns41 wrote:LTrain23 wrote: OSU's gameplan will surprise you guys.
Think OSU 2006.
When we got blown out by the Gators?
Ass. lol.. -
ytownfootball
When your QB has been playing with a pcl tear since the last game in October this leads to these types of beliefs. It has little or nothing to do with trust imo.Conversely Tressel has demonstrated with his game plans this year, particularly late in the year that he doesn't trust Pryor at all and has game planned around Terrelle attempting the limit the negative impact he can have on a game. -
Big GainSince Tressel has been at Ohio State the ONLY QB that he had complete trust in passing the ball more than running the ball, was when Troy Smith was a FIFTH YEAR SENIOR.
Pryor is only a true Sophomore, a baby in comparison to Troy Smith.
Why pass the ball as many times as a loser RichRod offense does, when you can rush for 250 yards in a game? And have one of the best defenses in the country, A defens 2nd in the country in INTs and 4th in the country in total turnovers.
Only two of Pryor's 10 INT's have come since the Purdue loss. I wonder why? Tressel did what was necessary to give his players their 5th straight Big Ten Title and a trip to a 5th straight BCS Bowl game. -
cats gone wildThe ultimate excuse when OSU loses yet another bowl game. How many losses in a row????
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jordo212000
True.... but unfortunately for us we won't be playing an overmatched Big 10 team in the Bowl Game. You have to be able to do other things.Big Gain wrote:
Why pass the ball as many times as a loser RichRod offense does, when you can rush for 250 yards in a game? -
Big Gain
WHY??? What the hell is "other things"?jordo212000 wrote:
True.... but unfortunately for us we won't be playing an overmatched Big 10 team in the Bowl Game. You have to be able to do other things.Big Gain wrote:
Why pass the ball as many times as a loser RichRod offense does, when you can rush for 250 yards in a game? -
jordo212000
Well haha. Other things would be passing the ball using creative play calling. Something we Buckeye fans haven't seen in a while.Big Gain wrote:
WHY??? What the hell is "other things"?
As to the "why," it is unrealistic to walk into the Rose Bowl expecting to run for 230+ yds. As I said before the Buckeyes have the benefit of playing in a horrible conference. That kind of play calling only works against the Barney Fifes of the Big 10 IMO. Indiana isn't walking through that door January 1st.
A team like Oregon should be able to stop the 3-4 running plays that Ohio State likes to use. Therefore IMO Ohio State needs to be able to throw the ball a little to win. Not saying TP has to throw for 300 yds, but he definitely needs to be prepared to as Oregon has a pretty high octane offense. Which leads to my next point. What if Oregon busts out quickly to a 14-0 lead. Do you still expect to run the ball 40 times? -
ytownfootball
Clearly there are only a few things that NEED to be done well in order to come out with a win for OSU or any team for that matter.
1. Gameplan
2. Execution
3. Adjustment
OSU doesn't need to do anything but what's working. Adjust to what isn't and execute. -
Big Gain
Ohio State doesn't "throw the ball a little"?jordo212000 wrote:
Well haha. Other things would be passing the ball using creative play calling. Something we Buckeye fans haven't seen in a while.Big Gain wrote:
WHY??? What the hell is "other things"?
As to the "why," it is unrealistic to walk into the Rose Bowl expecting to run for 230+ yds. As I said before the Buckeyes have the benefit of playing in a horrible conference. That kind of play calling only works against the Barney Fifes of the Big 10 IMO. Indiana isn't walking through that door January 1st.
A team like Oregon should be able to stop the 3-4 running plays that Ohio State likes to use. Therefore IMO Ohio State needs to be able to throw the ball a little to win. Not saying TP has to throw for 300 yds, but he definitely needs to be prepared to as Oregon has a pretty high octane offense. Which leads to my next point. What if Oregon busts out quickly to a 14-0 lead. Do you still expect to run the ball 40 times?
What is "creative play calling"?
Ohio State is playing a PAC 10 team not a SEC team.
Indiana??? Don't be ignorant. Ohio State rushed for over 225 yards against the 10th and 13th ranked teams in the country. Better teams than anyone the PAC 10 has to offer other than #7 Oregon.
Ohio State fans of your ilk are blind and forgetful. You forget about the important passes Pryor completes. The long TD pass against Penn State on 1st down. The two 22 yard passes against Iowa to keep drives moving. Pryor doesn't need to complete many passes like that, when your team has 10 rushing plays of over 10+ yards.
What's the difference if you have a 20 yard running play or a 20 yard pass play??? What makes you think Oregon's pass defense isn't better than their rush defense?
BTW, you have heard that Ohio State will be without their#3 and #4 receivers? You're right, Ohio State should pass more with their #5 and #6 receivers on the field.
If Stanford can rush for 254 yards against Oregon why can't Ohio State??
What team in the PAC 10 has a better defense than Ohio State's?
If Ohio State's defense plays terrible and ALLOWS Oregon to "bust out" to a 14 point lead, then Ohio State is not going to win, regardless of how many "creative" passes Pryor throws. Surely you aren't such a fool to think Ohio State wins a pass happy shoot out with Oregon.
It is ABSOLUTELY IMPOSSIBLE to change a team's personality after 12 games. A personality that was a winning formula. A personality that got them to the Rose Bowl. For Ohio State to win their defense must control the Oregon offense and Ohio State's offense must rush the ball effectively, with a few passes throw in to keep the Oregon defense honest.
Barney Fifes like you need to do a little research. If you were knowledgeable you wouldn't say the Big Ten is "over matched" by the PAC 10.
Oregon has a 10-2 record. No other team in the PAC 10 Ten has a record better than 8-4.
The Big Ten's top 3 teams finished 8th, 10th and 13th in the BCS.
The PAC 10's top 3 teams finished 7th 18th and 20th in the BCS.
Good Lord USC finished 5th in the PAC 10 this year!!
The Big Ten has 4 teams with better records than the 2nd place team in the PAC 10.
Oregon beat the 7th place team in the Big Ten by only 2 points.
Oregon State, 2nd in the PAC 10, who Oregon beat by 4 points to win the PAC 10, lost to BYU 44-20 in the MAACO Bowl.
Barney, the PAC 10 is obviously more "horrible" than the Big Ten. -
jordo212000
You misunderstood my post. I didn't say that they needed to throw out their style and reliance on the run and instead they needed to throw it 40 times. I just said that I felt it would be unrealistic to think they can have a game where TP throws the ball 10 times and they run for 230 yds.Big Gain wrote:
Ohio State doesn't "throw the ball a little"?
What is "creative play calling"?
Ohio State is playing a PAC 10 team not a SEC team.
Indiana??? Don't be ignorant. Ohio State rushed for over 225 yards against the 10th and 13th ranked teams in the country. Better teams than anyone the PAC 10 has to offer other than #7 Oregon.
Ohio State fans of your ilk are blind and forgetful. You forget about the important passes Pryor completes. The long TD pass against Penn State on 1st down. The two 22 yard passes against Iowa to keep drives moving. Pryor doesn't need to complete many passes like that, when your team has 10 rushing plays of over 10+ yards.
What's the difference if you have a 20 yard running play or a 20 yard pass play??? What makes you think Oregon's pass defense isn't better than their rush defense?
BTW, you have heard that Ohio State will be without their#3 and #4 receivers? You're right, Ohio State should pass more with their #5 and #6 receivers on the field.
If Stanford can rush for 254 yards against Oregon why can't Ohio State??
What team in the PAC 10 has a better defense than Ohio State's?
If Ohio State's defense plays terrible and ALLOWS Oregon to "bust out" to a 14 point lead, then Ohio State is not going to win, regardless of how many "creative" passes Pryor throws. Surely you aren't such a fool to think Ohio State wins a pass happy shoot out with Oregon.
It is ABSOLUTELY IMPOSSIBLE to change a team's personality after 12 games. A personality that was a winning formula. A personality that got them to the Rose Bowl. For Ohio State to win their defense must control the Oregon offense and Ohio State's offense must rush the ball effectively, with a few passes throw in to keep the Oregon defense honest.
Barney Fifes like you need to do a little research. If you were knowledgeable you wouldn't say the Big Ten is "over matched" by the PAC 10.
Oregon has a 10-2 record. No other team in the PAC 10 Ten has a record better than 8-4.
The Big Ten's top 3 teams finished 8th, 10th and 13th in the BCS.
The PAC 10's top 3 teams finished 7th 18th and 20th in the BCS.
Good Lord USC finished 5th in the PAC 10 this year!!
The Big Ten has 4 teams with better records than the 2nd place team in the PAC 10.
Oregon beat the 7th place team in the Big Ten by only 2 points.
Oregon State, 2nd in the PAC 10, who Oregon beat by 4 points to win the PAC 10, lost to BYU 44-20 in the MAACO Bowl.
Barney, the PAC 10 is obviously more "horrible" than the Big Ten.
Ray Small had 15 catches this year. Surely somebody can make the 1 catch he would have made on the 1st. Carter is a big loss though, you are right.
You talk about USC being 5th in the Pac 10... they beat Ohio State @ Ohio State who just happens to be the 1st place Big 10 team. Oregon beat Purdue.... who just happened to beat, you guessed it Ohio State. I hate to say it but the Big 10 is Ohio State, Iowa and everybody else.
As for the bowl comparisons, it is really kind of pointless now even though the Pac10 has lost 2 games already. You can't judge it against anything because the Big 10 hasn't played yet. -
ghosthunter
T/O's will kill either team in this game. If OSU controls the LOS defensively, and can run the rock, they will win. -
devil1197OSU will be fine but unless Pryor decides to run more he won't have a Vince Young type performance.
He will hit Posey for a couple long plays because they are wide open every game. Then the rushing game will take over with Saine/Herron. -
homefield
He will do just fine but i don't think he is the big playmaker they thought he was when they recruited him and i think he has a hard time going anywhere after college but i hope i am wrong because he has alot of people trying to help him. -
trep14
The fact that the fifth place PAC ten team walked in to the Horseshoe and beat the Buckeyes with a freshman qb making his second start ever tells me everything I need to know about the Big Ten versus the Pac Ten.Big Gain wrote:
Ohio State doesn't "throw the ball a little"?jordo212000 wrote:
Well haha. Other things would be passing the ball using creative play calling. Something we Buckeye fans haven't seen in a while.Big Gain wrote:
WHY??? What the hell is "other things"?
As to the "why," it is unrealistic to walk into the Rose Bowl expecting to run for 230+ yds. As I said before the Buckeyes have the benefit of playing in a horrible conference. That kind of play calling only works against the Barney Fifes of the Big 10 IMO. Indiana isn't walking through that door January 1st.
A team like Oregon should be able to stop the 3-4 running plays that Ohio State likes to use. Therefore IMO Ohio State needs to be able to throw the ball a little to win. Not saying TP has to throw for 300 yds, but he definitely needs to be prepared to as Oregon has a pretty high octane offense. Which leads to my next point. What if Oregon busts out quickly to a 14-0 lead. Do you still expect to run the ball 40 times?
What is "creative play calling"?
Ohio State is playing a PAC 10 team not a SEC team.
Indiana??? Don't be ignorant. Ohio State rushed for over 225 yards against the 10th and 13th ranked teams in the country. Better teams than anyone the PAC 10 has to offer other than #7 Oregon.
Ohio State fans of your ilk are blind and forgetful. You forget about the important passes Pryor completes. The long TD pass against Penn State on 1st down. The two 22 yard passes against Iowa to keep drives moving. Pryor doesn't need to complete many passes like that, when your team has 10 rushing plays of over 10+ yards.
What's the difference if you have a 20 yard running play or a 20 yard pass play??? What makes you think Oregon's pass defense isn't better than their rush defense?
BTW, you have heard that Ohio State will be without their#3 and #4 receivers? You're right, Ohio State should pass more with their #5 and #6 receivers on the field.
If Stanford can rush for 254 yards against Oregon why can't Ohio State??
What team in the PAC 10 has a better defense than Ohio State's?
If Ohio State's defense plays terrible and ALLOWS Oregon to "bust out" to a 14 point lead, then Ohio State is not going to win, regardless of how many "creative" passes Pryor throws. Surely you aren't such a fool to think Ohio State wins a pass happy shoot out with Oregon.
It is ABSOLUTELY IMPOSSIBLE to change a team's personality after 12 games. A personality that was a winning formula. A personality that got them to the Rose Bowl. For Ohio State to win their defense must control the Oregon offense and Ohio State's offense must rush the ball effectively, with a few passes throw in to keep the Oregon defense honest.
Barney Fifes like you need to do a little research. If you were knowledgeable you wouldn't say the Big Ten is "over matched" by the PAC 10.
Oregon has a 10-2 record. No other team in the PAC 10 Ten has a record better than 8-4.
The Big Ten's top 3 teams finished 8th, 10th and 13th in the BCS.
The PAC 10's top 3 teams finished 7th 18th and 20th in the BCS.
Good Lord USC finished 5th in the PAC 10 this year!!
The Big Ten has 4 teams with better records than the 2nd place team in the PAC 10.
Oregon beat the 7th place team in the Big Ten by only 2 points.
Oregon State, 2nd in the PAC 10, who Oregon beat by 4 points to win the PAC 10, lost to BYU 44-20 in the MAACO Bowl.
Barney, the PAC 10 is obviously more "horrible" than the Big Ten.
You hit the nail on the head about it being impossible to change a teams personality after twelve games, and that is precisely my problem with Jim Tressel and the Big Ten. A refusal to adapt to the changing world of college football...the OOC results speak for themselves....
Jordo said it best, TP will have to make plays in this game. OSU may very well run for 200+ yards, but they can't expect to do it to a fault, the coaching staff has to be willing to try something else if the running game isn't working. Here is to hoping that Chip Kelly bangs Mrs. Tressel and that leads to an aggressive Jim Tressel unleashing his pent up frustration with some aggressive play-calling against Oregon. -
Big Gain
VERY VERY ignorant of you to reference the USC/Ohio State game. You must be a teenager that never heard of Woody Hayes. One of the most profound concepts from Woody was, "Teams never remain the same, they either improve or get worse during the season." USC got worse and Ohio State improved. Carrol coached down USC and Tressel coached up Ohio State. You've a complete idiot if you think Ohio State would lose to USC now.trep14 wrote:
The fact that the fifth place PAC ten team walked in to the Horseshoe and beat the Buckeyes with a freshman qb making his second start ever tells me everything I need to know about the Big Ten versus the Pac Ten.Big Gain wrote:
Ohio State doesn't "throw the ball a little"?jordo212000 wrote:
Well haha. Other things would be passing the ball using creative play calling. Something we Buckeye fans haven't seen in a while.Big Gain wrote:
WHY??? What the hell is "other things"?
As to the "why," it is unrealistic to walk into the Rose Bowl expecting to run for 230+ yds. As I said before the Buckeyes have the benefit of playing in a horrible conference. That kind of play calling only works against the Barney Fifes of the Big 10 IMO. Indiana isn't walking through that door January 1st.
A team like Oregon should be able to stop the 3-4 running plays that Ohio State likes to use. Therefore IMO Ohio State needs to be able to throw the ball a little to win. Not saying TP has to throw for 300 yds, but he definitely needs to be prepared to as Oregon has a pretty high octane offense. Which leads to my next point. What if Oregon busts out quickly to a 14-0 lead. Do you still expect to run the ball 40 times?
What is "creative play calling"?
Ohio State is playing a PAC 10 team not a SEC team.
Indiana??? Don't be ignorant. Ohio State rushed for over 225 yards against the 10th and 13th ranked teams in the country. Better teams than anyone the PAC 10 has to offer other than #7 Oregon.
Ohio State fans of your ilk are blind and forgetful. You forget about the important passes Pryor completes. The long TD pass against Penn State on 1st down. The two 22 yard passes against Iowa to keep drives moving. Pryor doesn't need to complete many passes like that, when your team has 10 rushing plays of over 10+ yards.
What's the difference if you have a 20 yard running play or a 20 yard pass play??? What makes you think Oregon's pass defense isn't better than their rush defense?
BTW, you have heard that Ohio State will be without their#3 and #4 receivers? You're right, Ohio State should pass more with their #5 and #6 receivers on the field.
If Stanford can rush for 254 yards against Oregon why can't Ohio State??
What team in the PAC 10 has a better defense than Ohio State's?
If Ohio State's defense plays terrible and ALLOWS Oregon to "bust out" to a 14 point lead, then Ohio State is not going to win, regardless of how many "creative" passes Pryor throws. Surely you aren't such a fool to think Ohio State wins a pass happy shoot out with Oregon.
It is ABSOLUTELY IMPOSSIBLE to change a team's personality after 12 games. A personality that was a winning formula. A personality that got them to the Rose Bowl. For Ohio State to win their defense must control the Oregon offense and Ohio State's offense must rush the ball effectively, with a few passes throw in to keep the Oregon defense honest.
Barney Fifes like you need to do a little research. If you were knowledgeable you wouldn't say the Big Ten is "over matched" by the PAC 10.
Oregon has a 10-2 record. No other team in the PAC 10 Ten has a record better than 8-4.
The Big Ten's top 3 teams finished 8th, 10th and 13th in the BCS.
The PAC 10's top 3 teams finished 7th 18th and 20th in the BCS.
Good Lord USC finished 5th in the PAC 10 this year!!
The Big Ten has 4 teams with better records than the 2nd place team in the PAC 10.
Oregon beat the 7th place team in the Big Ten by only 2 points.
Oregon State, 2nd in the PAC 10, who Oregon beat by 4 points to win the PAC 10, lost to BYU 44-20 in the MAACO Bowl.
Barney, the PAC 10 is obviously more "horrible" than the Big Ten.
You hit the nail on the head about it being impossible to change a teams personality after twelve games, and that is precisely my problem with Jim Tressel and the Big Ten. A refusal to adapt to the changing world of college football...the OOC results speak for themselves....
Jordo said it best, TP will have to make plays in this game. OSU may very well run for 200+ yards, but they can't expect to do it to a fault, the coaching staff has to be willing to try something else if the running game isn't working. Here is to hoping that Chip Kelly bangs Mrs. Tressel and that leads to an aggressive Jim Tressel unleashing his pent up frustration with some aggressive play-calling against Oregon.
"Adapt to the changing world of college football"???? You prove your lack of football insight. What team won the SEC? The "changing world of college football" Florida lost to Alabama using "Saban Ball", almost a mirror image of "Tressel Ball". Alabama pounded the crap out of Florida with their power running game. You're also behind the times if you think the "changing world of college football" hasn't been figured out. Alabama's defense stymied Florida and the "changing world of college football".
Who do you have your money on in the BCS Title game? The "changing world of college football" or "Saban/Tressel Ball"?
The unknowledgeable like you think the Big Ten is purposely ignoring the "changing world of college football". Is it just the Big Ten or is it all schools not in the deep South, Texas and California? THINK ABOUT, try to use a modicum of intellect. Why in the hell should the best players in the deep South, Texas and California leave the warmth of home to play in the the cold and snowing North, 1000 miles from home?? THINK ABOUT IT!!!! A coach of a Northern school can't snap his fingers and automatically take part in "the changing world of college football". Urban didn't have undefeated seasons at Bowling Green. His success at Utah was primarily because he took chances on troubled players from California that all West coast teams were scared to death of. Urban gets to Florida in a state crammed full of Southern speed and VOILA, success with the "changing world of college football."
You have just as bad of a memory as all whiner Ohio State Tressel haters. Just what in the hell is "aggressive play calling"??? Have you done any research? Do you know how many times Pryor has thrown a pass on 1st down? Have you checked how many pass completions of over 10 yards Pryor has? Do you know how many reverses Ohio State has run? Do you know how many passes have been thrown to tight ends and fullbacks? A rarity in the past. Ohio State has thrown a reverse pass. What about the 65 yard TD pass on 1st down against Penn State? Why is a 20 yard run bad and a 20 yard pass play aggressive?? WHAT IS AGGRESSIVE PLAY CALLING?????? Anything other than running tailbacks for 5 yards, 10 yards, runs that garner 1st downs??? -
Big Gain
VERY silly to use the EARLY season OSU/USC game as ANYTHING relating to this time of the season. As Woody so profoundly once said, "A team never stays the same, they either get better or worse during the season. Obviously USC got much worse as the season progressed and Ohio State got much better.jordo212000 wrote:
You misunderstood my post. I didn't say that they needed to throw out their style and reliance on the run and instead they needed to throw it 40 times. I just said that I felt it would be unrealistic to think they can have a game where TP throws the ball 10 times and they run for 230 yds.Big Gain wrote:
Ohio State doesn't "throw the ball a little"?
What is "creative play calling"?
Ohio State is playing a PAC 10 team not a SEC team.
Indiana??? Don't be ignorant. Ohio State rushed for over 225 yards against the 10th and 13th ranked teams in the country. Better teams than anyone the PAC 10 has to offer other than #7 Oregon.
Ohio State fans of your ilk are blind and forgetful. You forget about the important passes Pryor completes. The long TD pass against Penn State on 1st down. The two 22 yard passes against Iowa to keep drives moving. Pryor doesn't need to complete many passes like that, when your team has 10 rushing plays of over 10+ yards.
What's the difference if you have a 20 yard running play or a 20 yard pass play??? What makes you think Oregon's pass defense isn't better than their rush defense?
BTW, you have heard that Ohio State will be without their#3 and #4 receivers? You're right, Ohio State should pass more with their #5 and #6 receivers on the field.
If Stanford can rush for 254 yards against Oregon why can't Ohio State??
What team in the PAC 10 has a better defense than Ohio State's?
If Ohio State's defense plays terrible and ALLOWS Oregon to "bust out" to a 14 point lead, then Ohio State is not going to win, regardless of how many "creative" passes Pryor throws. Surely you aren't such a fool to think Ohio State wins a pass happy shoot out with Oregon.
It is ABSOLUTELY IMPOSSIBLE to change a team's personality after 12 games. A personality that was a winning formula. A personality that got them to the Rose Bowl. For Ohio State to win their defense must control the Oregon offense and Ohio State's offense must rush the ball effectively, with a few passes throw in to keep the Oregon defense honest.
Barney Fifes like you need to do a little research. If you were knowledgeable you wouldn't say the Big Ten is "over matched" by the PAC 10.
Oregon has a 10-2 record. No other team in the PAC 10 Ten has a record better than 8-4.
The Big Ten's top 3 teams finished 8th, 10th and 13th in the BCS.
The PAC 10's top 3 teams finished 7th 18th and 20th in the BCS.
Good Lord USC finished 5th in the PAC 10 this year!!
The Big Ten has 4 teams with better records than the 2nd place team in the PAC 10.
Oregon beat the 7th place team in the Big Ten by only 2 points.
Oregon State, 2nd in the PAC 10, who Oregon beat by 4 points to win the PAC 10, lost to BYU 44-20 in the MAACO Bowl.
Barney, the PAC 10 is obviously more "horrible" than the Big Ten.
Ray Small had 15 catches this year. Surely somebody can make the 1 catch he would have made on the 1st. Carter is a big loss though, you are right.
You talk about USC being 5th in the Pac 10... they beat Ohio State @ Ohio State who just happens to be the 1st place Big 10 team. Oregon beat Purdue.... who just happened to beat, you guessed it Ohio State. I hate to say it but the Big 10 is Ohio State, Iowa and everybody else.
As for the bowl comparisons, it is really kind of pointless now even though the Pac10 has lost 2 games already. You can't judge it against anything because the Big 10 hasn't played yet. -
trep14
How is it ignorant of me to reference the OSU/USC game? Two teams meeting head to head on the field? If anything, that game was a testament to Carroll's coaching abilities, seeing as OSU definitely had the better team/more talent, yet Tressel squandered it with his conservative play calling and coaching blunders (i.e. not going for it on any fourth downs and kicking field goals on the one yard line, terrible clock management that allowed USC to score before the half, taking the delay of game penalty to punt the ball in the end zone rather than trying a 45 yard field goal). If you switch coaches in that game, OSU wins going away.Big Gain wrote:
VERY VERY ignorant of you to reference the USC/Ohio State game. You must be a teenager that never heard of Woody Hayes. One of the most profound concepts from Woody was, "Teams never remain the same, they either improve or get worse during the season." USC got worse and Ohio State improved. Carrol coached down USC and Tressel coached up Ohio State. You've a complete idiot if you think Ohio State would lose to USC now.trep14 wrote:
The fact that the fifth place PAC ten team walked in to the Horseshoe and beat the Buckeyes with a freshman qb making his second start ever tells me everything I need to know about the Big Ten versus the Pac Ten.Big Gain wrote:
Ohio State doesn't "throw the ball a little"?jordo212000 wrote:
Well haha. Other things would be passing the ball using creative play calling. Something we Buckeye fans haven't seen in a while.Big Gain wrote:
WHY??? What the hell is "other things"?
As to the "why," it is unrealistic to walk into the Rose Bowl expecting to run for 230+ yds. As I said before the Buckeyes have the benefit of playing in a horrible conference. That kind of play calling only works against the Barney Fifes of the Big 10 IMO. Indiana isn't walking through that door January 1st.
A team like Oregon should be able to stop the 3-4 running plays that Ohio State likes to use. Therefore IMO Ohio State needs to be able to throw the ball a little to win. Not saying TP has to throw for 300 yds, but he definitely needs to be prepared to as Oregon has a pretty high octane offense. Which leads to my next point. What if Oregon busts out quickly to a 14-0 lead. Do you still expect to run the ball 40 times?
What is "creative play calling"?
Ohio State is playing a PAC 10 team not a SEC team.
Indiana??? Don't be ignorant. Ohio State rushed for over 225 yards against the 10th and 13th ranked teams in the country. Better teams than anyone the PAC 10 has to offer other than #7 Oregon.
Ohio State fans of your ilk are blind and forgetful. You forget about the important passes Pryor completes. The long TD pass against Penn State on 1st down. The two 22 yard passes against Iowa to keep drives moving. Pryor doesn't need to complete many passes like that, when your team has 10 rushing plays of over 10+ yards.
What's the difference if you have a 20 yard running play or a 20 yard pass play??? What makes you think Oregon's pass defense isn't better than their rush defense?
BTW, you have heard that Ohio State will be without their#3 and #4 receivers? You're right, Ohio State should pass more with their #5 and #6 receivers on the field.
If Stanford can rush for 254 yards against Oregon why can't Ohio State??
What team in the PAC 10 has a better defense than Ohio State's?
If Ohio State's defense plays terrible and ALLOWS Oregon to "bust out" to a 14 point lead, then Ohio State is not going to win, regardless of how many "creative" passes Pryor throws. Surely you aren't such a fool to think Ohio State wins a pass happy shoot out with Oregon.
It is ABSOLUTELY IMPOSSIBLE to change a team's personality after 12 games. A personality that was a winning formula. A personality that got them to the Rose Bowl. For Ohio State to win their defense must control the Oregon offense and Ohio State's offense must rush the ball effectively, with a few passes throw in to keep the Oregon defense honest.
Barney Fifes like you need to do a little research. If you were knowledgeable you wouldn't say the Big Ten is "over matched" by the PAC 10.
Oregon has a 10-2 record. No other team in the PAC 10 Ten has a record better than 8-4.
The Big Ten's top 3 teams finished 8th, 10th and 13th in the BCS.
The PAC 10's top 3 teams finished 7th 18th and 20th in the BCS.
Good Lord USC finished 5th in the PAC 10 this year!!
The Big Ten has 4 teams with better records than the 2nd place team in the PAC 10.
Oregon beat the 7th place team in the Big Ten by only 2 points.
Oregon State, 2nd in the PAC 10, who Oregon beat by 4 points to win the PAC 10, lost to BYU 44-20 in the MAACO Bowl.
Barney, the PAC 10 is obviously more "horrible" than the Big Ten.
You hit the nail on the head about it being impossible to change a teams personality after twelve games, and that is precisely my problem with Jim Tressel and the Big Ten. A refusal to adapt to the changing world of college football...the OOC results speak for themselves....
Jordo said it best, TP will have to make plays in this game. OSU may very well run for 200+ yards, but they can't expect to do it to a fault, the coaching staff has to be willing to try something else if the running game isn't working. Here is to hoping that Chip Kelly bangs Mrs. Tressel and that leads to an aggressive Jim Tressel unleashing his pent up frustration with some aggressive play-calling against Oregon.
"Adapt to the changing world of college football"???? You prove your lack of football insight. What team won the SEC? The "changing world of college football" Florida lost to Alabama using "Saban Ball", almost a mirror image of "Tressel Ball". Alabama pounded the crap out of Florida with their power running game. You're also behind the times if you think the "changing world of college football" hasn't been figured out. Alabama's defense stymied Florida and the "changing world of college football".
Who do you have your money on in the BCS Title game? The "changing world of college football" or "Saban/Tressel Ball"?
The unknowledgeable like you think the Big Ten is purposely ignoring the "changing world of college football". Is it just the Big Ten or is it all schools not in the deep South, Texas and California? THINK ABOUT, try to use a modicum of intellect. Why in the hell should the best players in the deep South, Texas and California leave the warmth of home to play in the the cold and snowing North??
You have just as bad of a memory as all whiner Ohio State Tressel haters. Just what in the hell is "aggressive play calling"??? Have you done any research? Do you know how many times Pryor has thrown a pass on 1st down? Have you checked how many pass completions of over 10 yards Pryor has? Do you know how many reverses Ohio State has run? Do you know how many passes have been thrown to tight ends and fullbacks? A rarity in the past. Ohio State has thrown a reverse pass. What about the 65 yard TD pass on 1st down against Penn State? Why is a 20 yard run bad and a 20 yard pass play aggressive?? WHAT IS AGGRESSIVE PLAY CALLING?????? Anything other than running tailbacks for 5 yards, 10 yards, runs that garner 1st downs???
I'm not buying the excuse that OSU/ the big ten have a general lack of talent. Look at the amount of draft picks that OSU and the Big Ten have generated over the years. The talent is there, its a general consensus that the coaching is not.
As for Bama vs. Florida, you're right, Bama was able to successfully grind it out against them. That kind of game plan can work...if you play mistake free football and don't have a coach who has no clue how to take calculated risks in football games (more on that later). Using Florida is a bad example..."the changing world of college football", as you mockingly call it, has had unrivaled success in college football over the past four years, including an absolute beatdown of Ohio State where Tressel looked like he was running around with his head up his butt on the sideline because he was so clueless as to what to do. I can't help but LOL when you say that "the changing world of college football has been figured out". How? Because Bama beat Florida once? The Big Ten sure has had a lot of success figuring out "the changing world of college football"...it really shows with their OOC success.
Aggressive playcalling is not running drives that my grandma can predict the next play call that is coming. Aggressive playcalling is taking some calculated risks (this part Tressel has never seemed to understand...i.e. not attempting a 45 + yarder against USC with Pettrey who has proven he can hit that fg vs. attempting a 45 + yarder with Barclay against Iowa...in fact Tressel was playing for the fg the entire time)...and look at the amount of times Carroll had the gall to go for it on fourth down vs. Tressel in the USC game... And one 65 yard pass play against Penn State and one reverse pass against New Mexico State makes up for an entire year of nauseating play calling? -
Big Gain
You want Pryor to run more??? He has a bad knee, a tweaked ankle and a turf toe on each foot. When he runs he runs with pain.devil1197 wrote: OSU will be fine but unless Pryor decides to run more he won't have a Vince Young type performance.
He will hit Posey for a couple long plays because they are wide open every game. Then the rushing game will take over with Saine/Herron. -
jordo212000
Are you seriously saying we should disregard the results in a head to head showdown? Is that what you are saying haha. I don't know if Ohio St would win now or not (they should have won the 1st time) but I do know the only time they played, USC won.Big Gain wrote:
VERY VERY ignorant of you to reference the USC/Ohio State game. You must be a teenager that never heard of Woody Hayes. One of the most profound concepts from Woody was, "Teams never remain the same, they either improve or get worse during the season." USC got worse and Ohio State improved. Carrol coached down USC and Tressel coached up Ohio State. You've a complete idiot if you think Ohio State would lose to USC now.
"Adapt to the changing world of college football"???? You prove your lack of football insight. What team won the SEC? The "changing world of college football" Florida lost to Alabama using "Saban Ball", almost a mirror image of "Tressel Ball". Alabama pounded the crap out of Florida with their power running game. You're also behind the times if you think the "changing world of college football" hasn't been figured out. Alabama's defense stymied Florida and the "changing world of college football".
Who do you have your money on in the BCS Title game? The "changing world of college football" or "Saban/Tressel Ball"?
The unknowledgeable like you think the Big Ten is purposely ignoring the "changing world of college football". Is it just the Big Ten or is it all schools not in the deep South, Texas and California? THINK ABOUT, try to use a modicum of intellect. Why in the hell should the best players in the deep South, Texas and California leave the warmth of home to play in the the cold and snowing North, 1000 miles from home?? THINK ABOUT IT!!!! A coach of a Northern school can't snap his fingers and automatically take part in "the changing world of college football". Urban didn't have undefeated seasons at Bowling Green. His success at Utah was primarily because he took chances on troubled players from California that all West coast teams were scared to death of. Urban gets to Florida in a state crammed full of Southern speed and VOILA, success with the "changing world of college football."
You have just as bad of a memory as all whiner Ohio State Tressel haters. Just what in the hell is "aggressive play calling"??? Have you done any research? Do you know how many times Pryor has thrown a pass on 1st down? Have you checked how many pass completions of over 10 yards Pryor has? Do you know how many reverses Ohio State has run? Do you know how many passes have been thrown to tight ends and fullbacks? A rarity in the past. Ohio State has thrown a reverse pass. What about the 65 yard TD pass on 1st down against Penn State? Why is a 20 yard run bad and a 20 yard pass play aggressive?? WHAT IS AGGRESSIVE PLAY CALLING?????? Anything other than running tailbacks for 5 yards, 10 yards, runs that garner 1st downs???
You reference the fact that Alabama won the SEC this season and defeated Florida (who buys in to the "changing world of football").... How many championships has Alabama won with Tresselball? None, to my knowledge. How many championships has Meyer won at Florida? 2.
There is almost just as many good players up North as there are in the south. Even if there wasn't, I'm not sure what that has to do with what kind of offense a team runs.
Meyer had a ton of success at Bowling Green. Why the F else would he have gotten a job at Utah? Despite his success at Bowling Green, his team was never going to go undefeated. They play alot of the big boys surrounding them and at the end of the day they were still a MAC team. And I laugh at your point that Meyer's success at Utah was because he took on troubled players. That might be relevant if he only had success at Utah but he has won everywhere.
And in regards to Ohio State running reverse passes, etc. A handful of original plays that you run out of the 100s if not thousand plays does not make you aggressive. -
Big GainHA HA??? Are you seriously saying youdidn't notice USC's downward spiral this year?? Are you seriously saying you didn't notice Ohio State's considerable improvements when Tressel changed things after the Purdue game?? I suppose you think Purdue is a better football team than Ohio State NOW. HAHA!!!
FACT: Florida IS NOT in the BCS Title game this year? WHY NOT???????????????? Alabama's Saban/Tressel Ball physically beat the crap out of the "changing world of college football". Even when Superman QB was a Senior!! Who is your money on in the BCS Title game. Texas or Alabama?
"There is almost just as many good players up North"??? I'm not talking about "good" players, I'm talking about GREAT players. Players required to win BIG with the "changing world of college football". I don't see the schools in the deep South, Texas and California fighting over players from Minnesota and Wisconsin. Yet Minnesota and Wisconsin fight over the left overs from the deep South, Texas and California.
"Meyer had a ton of success at Bowling Green"?? There you go posting out of your ars again. Myer's record at BG was 17-6. That gets him fired at Florida. His Mid-American CONFERENCE records were 5-3 and 6-2. His teams finished 2nd and 3rd. That gets Tressel fired at Ohio State. The "changing world of college football" CAN NOT work in the Mid-Am Conference. The "changing world of college football" CAN NOT work at Minnesota and Wisconsin or ANY Big Ten School.
Laugh all you want about what I said about Utah, prove otherwise. Do you know how many JC players he took on at Utah? Obviously not. You know very little about your posts. I'm not saying Urban isn't a good coach. He almost killed himself coaching at Florida, winning ONE MORE BCS Title than Tressel has. With that being said, he can't win BCS Titles coaching at Minnesota or Wisconsin. WHY? Because Urban Myer can't fill his roster with deep South players, coaching at a school North of the Mason Dixon Line. NO ONE CAN.
WHAT MAKES ONE AGGRESSIVE??? PLEASE enlighten us.
If you were paying attention, Ohio State's significant improvements started when Tressel opted to be a little less aggressive after the Purdue game. It's quite obvious staying with the status quo Ohio State does not win an outright Big Ten Title. -
georgemc80To answer the question at hand in the title.....I doubt it. You have to remember, those Michigan defenses back then pissed down their leg anytime they played a qb that wasn't a statue. If a quarterback moved laterally even a foot, the Michigan D couldn't stop them. UM really couldn't figure out how to shadow or stop any quarterback mobility. Oregon practices against mobile qbs, so he probably won't have a VY impact...but he can still have the kind of game that sparks the rest of his playing time at OSU.