College Basketball Random Chatter 2012-2013 Season
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Classyposter58
Yeah, I put $20 on both so that's a nice payday if AZ pulls through and I fully expect them too, too quick for Oregon at the endMulva;1363373 wrote:I actually took MSU and Zona in the pick'em game. Just had a gut feeling today for some reason. I almost took Iowa straight up... definitely glad I ****ed out. -
reclegend22Oregon is a major sleeper right now. They aren't just winning this game because they're playing in the Pacific Northwest, either. They have one of the more impressive true road wins in the country with a victory over UNLV in Vegas. What a run to end the half. 41 to 19. I fully expect Arizona to get back in this one, and probably even take the lead, but Oregon in good position.
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ironman02
I don't even know where to begin. I've calmed down quite a bit since earlier, but this might still be pretty long. lolreclegend22;1363361 wrote:Lol.
On a serious note, what the hell is going on in Chapel Hill, and are we nearing the end of Roy's career? I'm not sure if it's his health or what, but Williams has seemingly lost his touch. It's quite weird for a Hall-of-Famer of his status -- a two-time national champion and Final Four regular -- to all of a sudden drop off the face of the earth during the peak of his powers. I mean, North Carolina is in jeopardy of heading back to the NIT for the second time in four years. Unreal.
First of all, there are players on this team who should never be at Carolina in the first place. Desmond Hubert, who starts for some reason, has no business on a Carolina basketball team. I'm sure he's a good kid, but he doesn't have the ability to play at this level. He's in Chapel Hill because the Wear twins abandoned the program and left Roy scrambling to find a big man. Hubert was basically all that was available, and honestly, Roy should've just saved the scholarship. Joel James is the second result of the Wear twins running home to mommy and daddy. He might end up being a good player eventually, but he hasn't played basketball very long and is very raw.
Brice Johnson is the best post player, and his offensive game is very efficient, but he doesn't have enough muscle to defend in the post yet. Because of his defensive deficiencies, Roy isn't playing him that many minutes. Honestly, he needs to bite the bullet and keep him on the floor because he's the only player on the roster that can score down low. That brings me to McAdoo. He looks absolutely lost out there. Instead of just calming down and executing, he's always trying to play too fast, and as a result, he turns the ball over constantly and takes terrible shots. McAdoo is very talented, and has a ton of potential, but his game is more finesse than power, which also hurts Carolina down low. Basically, the Heels have gone from being unstoppable in the paint, to getting minimal production from the post.
Bullock and Hairston are the only players that can score from the perimeter, and they can't even do that consistently. Teams key on Bullock because they know that no one else is an offensive threat, which makes it hard for him to get going. Hairston simply doesn't get enough minutes to ever find a rhythm. If he got to play more, he might be able to show his potential. PJ does get lazy on D sometimes, though, so that's probably why his minutes haven't increased. The problem with that, though, is that Dexter Strickland can't shoot the basketball. In 26 minutes of play tonight, Dexter didn't score, didn't grab one rebound, or dish out one assist. All zeros in 26 minutes. I don't even know how the hell that happens. The knee injury last year has taken away his explosiveness and he has no confidence. He's not half the defender he used to be, and as a result, he basically serves no purpose when he's on the court. Dex is a good kid, but his game is just a mess right now. McDonald is basically the same...a marginal player with a bad knee. Leslie can really shoot the ball when he's in a good rhythm, but that just doesn't happen every often.
Marcus Paige really has no business running this team as the PG. Roy obviously thought Kendall Marshall would still be in Chapel Hill, allowing Paige to learn and play back-up minutes at PG rather than running the show. Marshall's departure really hurts Carolina, and it shows. Paige may eventually be a really good PG, but he's not ready...not at all.
All those deficiences and what does Roy do? He tries to run the same system that relies on a superior PG to be successful. He doesn't have a superior PG. No one can create their own shot, the shooters are inconsistent because of the lack of an inside game, and as I just mentioned, there's really no post game to speak of at the moment. Couple that with the fact that Roy refuses to change his defensive philosophy, and just begs teams to nail three all night long, and you have an absolute train wreck.
Roy Williams is a great coach, but he's also a stubborn coach. I really think he's trying to force this team to be what he wants, rather than attempting to play to their particular strengths. The kids don't have much confidence, they're thinking too much instead of just playing, and that's leading to really, really bad basketball. There are several tough games coming up, and unless things change, this team is gonna be around the .500 mark in the next couple weeks. I hope that Roy and his guys get it figured out, because this is painful to watch. I'll still be watching, though, and rooting hard for my team. These guys ARE talented and Roy IS a great coach. Hopefully we start to see that soon, or it's NIT (maybe) again. -
wildcats20
Reps and then some.ironman02;1363429 wrote:I don't even know where to begin. I've calmed down quite a bit since earlier, but this might still be pretty long. lol
First of all, there are players on this team who should never be at Carolina in the first place. Desmond Hubert, who starts for some reason, has no business on a Carolina basketball team. I'm sure he's a good kid, but he doesn't have the ability to play at this level. He's in Chapel Hill because the Wear twins abandoned the program and left Roy scrambling to find a big man. Hubert was basically all that was available, and honestly, Roy should've just saved the scholarship. Joel James is the second result of the Wear twins running home to mommy and daddy. He might end up being a good player eventually, but he hasn't played basketball very long and is very raw.
Brice Johnson is the best post player, and his offensive game is very efficient, but he doesn't have enough muscle to defend in the post yet. Because of his defensive deficiencies, Roy isn't playing him that many minutes. Honestly, he needs to bite the bullet and keep him on the floor because he's the only player on the roster that can score down low. That brings me to McAdoo. He looks absolutely lost out there. Instead of just calming down and executing, he's always trying to play too fast, and as a result, he turns the ball over constantly and takes terrible shots. McAdoo is very talented, and has a ton of potential, but his game is more finesse than power, which also hurts Carolina down low. Basically, the Heels have gone from being unstoppable in the paint, to getting minimal production from the post.
Bullock and Hairston are the only players that can score from the perimeter, and they can't even do that consistently. Teams key on Bullock because they know that no one else is an offensive threat, which makes it hard for him to get going. Hairston simply doesn't get enough minutes to ever find a rhythm. If he got to play more, he might be able to show his potential. PJ does get lazy on D sometimes, though, so that's probably why his minutes haven't increased. The problem with that, though, is that Dexter Strickland can't shoot the basketball. In 26 minutes of play tonight, Dexter didn't score, didn't grab one rebound, or dish out one assist. All zeros in 26 minutes. I don't even know how the hell that happens. The knee injury last year has taken away his explosiveness and he has no confidence. He's not half the defender he used to be, and as a result, he basically serves no purpose when he's on the court. Dex is a good kid, but his game is just a mess right now. McDonald is basically the same...a marginal player with a bad knee. Leslie can really shoot the ball when he's in a good rhythm, but that just doesn't happen every often.
Marcus Paige really has no business running this team as the PG. Roy obviously thought Kendall Marshall would still be in Chapel Hill, allowing Paige to learn and play back-up minutes at PG rather than running the show. Marshall's departure really hurts Carolina, and it shows. Paige may eventually be a really good PG, but he's not ready...not at all.
All those deficiences and what does Roy do? He tries to run the same system that relies on a superior PG to be successful. He doesn't have a superior PG. No one can create their own shot, the shooters are inconsistent because of the lack of an inside game, and as I just mentioned, there's really no post game to speak of at the moment. Couple that with the fact that Roy refuses to change his defensive philosophy, and just begs teams to nail three all night long, and you have an absolute train wreck.
Roy Williams is a great coach, but he's also a stubborn coach. I really think he's trying to force this team to be what he wants, rather than attempting to play to their particular strengths. The kids don't have much confidence, they're thinking too much instead of just playing, and that's leading to really, really bad basketball. There are several tough games coming up, and unless things change, this team is gonna be around the .500 mark in the next couple weeks. I hope that Roy and his guys get it figured out, because this is painful to watch. I'll still be watching, though, and rooting hard for my team. These guys ARE talented and Roy IS a great coach. Hopefully we start to see that soon, or it's NIT (maybe) again. -
Laley23Damn Iowa. Blew a chance to make some noise in the B1G. I had high hopes for them too. Still time to turn it around and I think they can still be close to .500 in league play, but that was a game at home I had them winning this year.
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reclegend22
LOL.ironman02 wrote:I don't even know where to begin. I've calmed down quite a bit since earlier, but this might still be pretty long. lol
This is what I have never understood about Roy. You nailed it right here. In a way, Roy reminds me of Don Nelson and the legendary NBA coach's refusal to do anything but run and play all-out Nellie Ball. Now, as a college coach Roy can obviously for the most part recruit the types of quick, athletic players that best fit that variety of uptempo system, and he's had exceptional success doing it over the course of his career at both Kansas and North Carolina. But when the right recruits aren't coming and the trail has gone cold, you've got to be able to adapt or die.ironman02 wrote:All those deficiences and what does Roy do? He tries to run the same system that relies on a superior PG to be successful. He doesn't have a superior PG. No one can create their own shot, the shooters are inconsistent because of the lack of an inside game, and as I just mentioned, there's really no post game to speak of at the moment. Couple that with the fact that Roy refuses to change his defensive philosophy, and just begs teams to nail three all night long, and you have an absolute train wreck.
Roy Williams is a great coach, but he's also a stubborn coach. I really think he's trying to force this team to be what he wants, rather than attempting to play to their particular strengths. The kids don't have much confidence, they're thinking too much instead of just playing, and that's leading to really, really bad basketball.
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reclegend22Kentucky locked up in a tight one in Nashville. Vandy trails two with a minute and a half left. Surprising.
Gonzaga-St. Mary's also on tonight. Great night for hoops. -
wildcats20
UK had a 14(I think) point lead not too long ago too.reclegend22;1363476 wrote:Kentucky locked up in a tight one in Nashville. Vandy trails two with a minute and a half left. Surprising. -
Classyposter58Wow Oregon trying to give it away
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reclegend22
Yeah, that's why I was surprised. I had turned the channel, though, and didn't see the "comeback." Either Vandy really put on the pressure or -- more likely -- UK's youth and a cold shooting streak caught up with them. Because Vandy is a bad team.wildcats20;1363478 wrote:UK had a 14(I think) point lead not too long ago too. -
wildcats20Oregon wins.
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wildcats20
12 or 14 to 0 run.reclegend22;1363482 wrote:Yeah, that's why I was surprised. I had turned the channel, though, and didn't see the "comeback." Either Vandy really put on the pressure or -- more likely -- UK's youth and a cold shooting streak caught up with them. Because Vandy is a bad team. -
wildcats20SHOULD be a tie game in Nashville.
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reclegend22Kevin Stallings having an aneurysm at half court.
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wildcats20LOL Bob Knight doesn't know what the clock means. Holy shit. Time to go home Bobby.
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reclegend22
No doubt. Surprised UK got that call at Memorial.wildcats20;1363485 wrote:SHOULD be a tie game in Nashville. -
wildcats20Can't review the shot clock. Joke of all jokes right there
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Azubuike24UK can join UNC in the lackluster club. They dominated the first 25 minutes. The last 15 minutes they have been disinterested.
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wildcats20Inbounder stepped on the line too.
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reclegend22The universe always settles the score. Vandy with a chance to win it here.
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Azubuike24Vanderbilt lost to Marist by 17 at home.
Marist is 4-11.
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reclegend22They got their chance. Couldn't pull it off. UK survives. Good finish for the casual fan.
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wildcats20Wow that was a terrible possession.
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Azubuike24I'll predict it now. Vanderbilt will go 1-17 in the SEC. They are that bad. They play at Mississippi State. They do get Georgia and Texas A&M at home. Those are the only 3 I see them with a chance in. I'd say Auburn or South Carolina, but Auburn is playing pretty decent lately and USCjr is better than Vandy. They won't win a road game.
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killer_ewok@MattPark1: SU's 2nd-leading scorer James Southerland (13.6 p/g) will not play today against Villanova. "Eligibility matter". Out until further notice.
It's an academic issue. Dammit. Fab Melo last year and now this. Fab was a far bigger loss but this hurts the Orange. Get your damn grades up.