Why SEC Isn't As Great In Football As You Think

• Crimson streak

  

  cats gone wild;1265321 wrote:They would score some points, but you would be out of your mind if you think they could score alot against LSU/bama's defenses. And they would simply get worn out from LSU/Bamas running game for 4 quarters with no depth. LSU and Bama would beat them by double digits with no problem.

  
  I would be willing to bet my whole bank account that they would score 28 or more against those defenses. Bama and lsu have very good run d but there passing d is suspect against good qb's and receivers
• bigkahuna

  vball10set;1265345 wrote:lol--and ALL of these teams were averaging in the 40's & 50's? now who's spouting off :rolleyes:

  They were until they ran into the SECSECSECSECSEC
  
  /CGW'd
• vball10set

  bigkahuna;1265348 wrote:They were until they ran into the SECSECSECSECSEC
  
  /CGW'd

  lol--reps
• cats gone wild

  vball10set;1265345 wrote:lol--and ALL of these teams were averaging in the 40's & 50's? now who's spouting off :rolleyes:

  Im still waiting for you to show me that the teams the SEC faced in title games didnt average 40's and 50's. I gave you 4 examples without looking already. And I didnt say ALL either.
• bigkahuna

  cats gone wild;1265350 wrote:Im still waiting for you to show me that the teams the SEC faced in title games didnt average 40's and 50's. I gave you 4 examples without looking already. And I didnt say ALL either.

  2006- OSU 33PPG Scored 14 in BCS
  2007- OSU 32PPG Scored 24 in BCS
  2008- Oklahoma 54 PPG Scored 14
  2009- Texas 39 PPG Scored 21 w/o Colt McCoy
  2010- Oregon 49 PPG Scored 19
  2011- LSU 38 PPG Scored 0
  
  Those reflect PPG PRIOR to the BCS Championship Game, so the numbers wouldn't be skewed after facing the tough SEC Defenses. As you can see, only 2 teams avg. 40s-50s.
• cats gone wild

  Failed to add 2003 Oklahoma vs LSU I see.And wow, I was off one point from what Texas averaged, lol. And you cant add the LSU/Bama game considering we were talking SEC vs other conferences. So, since 2003....50% of the teams the SEC beat in title games averaged 40 + points, and one team was one point away from averaging 40. If you add the averages together, they averaged over 40 combined, but scored in the teens for an average for title games. Thats a huge drop.
• cats gone wild

  Crimson streak;1265346 wrote:I would be willing to bet my whole bank account that they would score 28 or more against those defenses. Bama and lsu have very good run d but there passing d is suspect against good qb's and receivers

  Oh really, on both of these comments. Want to make an avatar bet, so I dont have to drain your bank account? I will make an easy bet in your favor. I will give you USC and 7 points against LSU or Bama if they face each other.
• bigkahuna

  I'm sorry, I thought we were only looking at the last 6 years since that's when the domination dynasty began.
  
  Why not average in LSU? They were putting 30-40 points up on the rest of the SECs defenses, but it doesn't help your argument. I see.
  
  I'll humor you and add Oklahoma's 2003 team
  
  avg 45 and scored 14
  
  However, in 2004 they averaged 37 and only scored 19 vs. USC's vaunted defense.
  
  Take Oklahoma for what it's worth.
• cats gone wild

  bigkahuna;1265557 wrote: I'll humor you and add Oklahoma's 2003 team
  
  avg 45 and scored 14
  
  However, in 2004 they averaged 37 and only scored 19 vs. USC's vaunted defense.
  
  Take Oklahoma for what it's worth.

  And thats suppose to help your argument? LSU held them to 31 points lower than their average while USC held them to 18 points under their average. Hey, just doing "numbers".
• GOONx19

  

  Someone on this thread is a ratard.
• cats gone wild

  GOONx19;1265617 wrote:Someone on this thread is a ratard.

  Says the poster who never contributes except for trolling. Btw, "LSU is no where near being ranked #1",
• vball10set

  cats gone wild;1265621 wrote:The one who just joined it, who never contributes except for trolling. Btw, "LSU is no where near being ranked #1",

  You've been discredited, proved wrong, and quite frankly been made a fool of--all on this thread alone. There's a good poster who's serving a suspension for calling you what we all feel (ie know) you are, and it's only a matter of time before you get thread bant for your obvious trolling practices. After all, rules are rules.
• bigkahuna

  That's fine look at the numbers. What's your point?
  
  You could look at every other BCS Championship Game and get the same result of averaging more than what was scored in the title game. Why? Because it's much easier for a defense to learn/scheme around an offense for a month than it is for an offense to do so vs. a defense. Let's take a look
  
  1998 Tennessee avg. 33 Scored 23. FSU avg. 32 Scored 16
  1999 FSU avg. 37 Scored 46. Virginia Tech avg. 42 Scored 29
  2000 Oklahoma avg. 39 Scored 13. Florida State avg. 40 Scored 2
  2001 Miami avg. 43 Scored 37. Nebraska avg. 37 Scored 14
  2002 OSU avg. 29 Scored 31. Miami avg. 41 Scored 24
  2003 LSU avg. 34 Scored 21. Oklahoma avg. 45 Scored 14
  2004 USC avg. 36 Scored 55. Oklahoma avg. 37 Scored 19
  2005 Texas avg. 50 Scored 41 USC avg. 50 Scored 38
  2006 Florida avg. 28 Scored 41. OSU avg. 33 Scored 14
  2007 LSU avg. 38 Scored 38. OSU avg. 32 Scored 24
  2008 Florida avg. 45 Scored 24. Oklahoma avg. 54 Scored 14.
  2009 Alabama avg. 31 Scored 37. Texas avg. 39 Scored 21
  2010 Auburn avg. 42 Scored 22. Oregon avg. 49 Scored 19
  2011 Alabama avg. 33 Scored 21. LSU avg. 38 Scored 0
  
  Of the 28 teams who have played in the BCS Championship Game, 7 of those (bolded) scored at OR above their season average.
  It's not because the SEC's defense is soooo much better than everyone else's, it's the plain and simple fact that given a month to prepare, a competent DC can breakdown, scheme, and dismantle a good offense much easier than a OC guru can try to scheme around what a defense will do.
• cats gone wild

  vball10set;1265633 wrote:You've been discredited, proved wrong, and quite frankly been made a fool of--all on this thread alone. There's a good poster who's serving a suspension for calling you what we all feel (ie know) you are, and it's only a matter of time before you get thread bant for your obvious trolling practices. After all, rules are rules.

  Yeah, sure. I dont troll like you. I could have you banned many times. I guess I will just have to start turning you in .Btw, who is on suspension? All Ive done is state facts, but you guys discredit 8 title teams out of 14 title games. From one conference at that.
  
  bigkahuna, are you going to take my bet......or are you skeerd? You talk them up so much, back it up.
• GOONx19

  

  cats gone wild;1265621 wrote:Says the poster who never contributes except for trolling. Btw, "LSU is no where near being ranked #1",

  I don't contribute to your discussions because every single person makes you look like a fool, yet you continue to spout out loaded statistics and opinions that honestly make me laugh out loud. You are a joke of a fan, and I'm ashamed that I go to one of the two schools in the same conference that you root for. Also, the post that you continue to reference is an example of what some would call satire. I started a thread in the same manner that you did, but where you said, "LSU is #1, no surprise", I said "LSU is nowhere near #1." The simple fact that LSU was not #1 in a poll that came out in the same week as your quote is enough to make it look completely asinine, like most things you say. Now that that's out of the way, go ahead and continue making yourself look like an idiot if you please.
• GOONx19

  

  Also, one million reps to bigkahuna for winning this argument, even if he is arguing with a brick wall.
• cats gone wild

  Still waiting for goon to post football related stuff instead of trolling. Stick to the bball forum where you know a little.
• bigkahuna

  cats gone wild;1265539 wrote:Oh really, on both of these comments. Want to make an avatar bet, so I dont have to drain your bank account? I will make an easy bet in your favor. I will give you USC and 7 points against LSU or Bama if they face each other.

  cats gone wild;1265689 wrote:Yeah, sure. I dont troll like you. I could have you banned many times. I guess I will just have to start turning you in .Btw, who is on suspension? All Ive done is state facts, but you guys discredit 8 title teams out of 14 title games. From one conference at that.
  
  bigkahuna, are you going to take my bet......or are you skeerd? You talk them up so much, back it up.

  
  Your dumb ass offered a bet with Crimson, not me.
  
  Just go. Shut up and go. Call me out on a bet you offered with someone else. SMH:rolleyes:
• cats gone wild

  GOONx19;1265696 wrote:Also, the post that you continue to reference is an example of what some would call satire. I started a thread in the same manner that you did, but where you said, "LSU is #1, no surprise", I said "LSU is nowhere near #1." The simple fact that LSU was not #1 in a poll that came out in the same week as your quote is enough to make it look completely asinine, like most things you say. .

  Yeah, I forgot that the honey badger wasnt kicked off that week and that the AP was able to do a revote. :rollseyes: Learn to pay attention.
• bigkahuna

  GOONx19;1265703 wrote:Also, one million reps to bigkahuna for winning this argument, even if he is arguing with a brick wall.

  Thank you.
  
  This isn't the 1st time we've had an argument. I pretty much owned him back in December during the Oklahoma State or Alabama discussion.
• cats gone wild

  bigkahuna;1265716 wrote:Thank you.
  
  This isn't the 1st time we've had an argument. I pretty much owned him back in December during the Oklahoma State or Alabama discussion.

  You did? Lol. More like I owned you about the OKST/Bama argument. My bad on the bet thing. Been arguing with both you and crimson so much, got you two mixed up. You're all trolls in the end so its easy to mix you guys up.
• GOONx19

  

  cats gone wild;1265709 wrote:Yeah, I forgot that the honey badger wasnt kicked off that week and that the AP was able to do a revote. :rollseyes: Learn to pay attention.

  Oh, I forgot. You also call a grown man "Honey Badger".
  
  Even in your first-place USA Today poll, LSU received fewer first place votes than both Alabama and USC. Mathieu didn't change shit.
• cats gone wild

  GOONx19;1265733 wrote:Oh, I forgot. You also call a grown man "Honey Badger".
  
  Even in your first-place USA Today poll, LSU received fewer first place votes than both Alabama and USC. Mathieu didn't change ****.

  I guess the whole media, every message board (including this one) are full of kids then, right? Thats the name everyone called him
• cats gone wild

  GOONx19;1265703 wrote:Also, one million reps to bigkahuna for winning this argument, even if he is arguing with a brick wall.

  I proved that SEC teams held teams to the teens, did I not? And I proved that teams they played averaged 40-50 points didnt I? I didnt say they all averaged that, look at my original post.
  Heres the post you say I got owned on: "You might want to add LSU holding the really high scoring Oklahoma team to 14 points in 2003 also. Basically, the SEC held teams averaging 40's and 50's a game to an average of points in the teens."
  
  Where am I wrong?
• ptown_trojans_1

  

  cats gone wild;1264976 wrote:Giving up 29 points to a nobody still shows USC cant/wont hang with the SEC. They have an offense, but their offense would do little vs an Bama/LSU defense. Their defense would get ran over by LSU/Bama's stables of RB's.
  And oh yeah.....your earlier posts acting like Wash will be a tough game and their QB is so good. Might want to look at his stats vs a real team (today).

  Yeah, USC's defense is suspect, it is early in the year. But, their offense is still one of the best in the country. Woods and Lee are just sick.
  One cannot assume that between now and a potential national title game who would win. If USC's offense is at its best, can they be stopped by LSU or Bama? I do not know. Right now, it looks about even I'd say. But, it is something I and the rest of the country want to see.
  The SEC has never been tested under a legit traditional NFL style offense. Only Oregon.
  
  As to Washington, hell of a game by LSU, I'd admit. I still say Wash will finish in the top 25.
  
  
  On the whole SEC/ B1G thing, I honestly could care less about the Big Ten. The funny thing is only SEC fans really care about their conference. I honestly could care less about the Big Ten. I was happy Wisconsin lost, Illi lost, Michigan looked bad, and Neb lost. If the conference stinks, that is fine by me. Makes it better for OSU to win.
  
  The SEC while top yes, is so-so in the middle of the conference. Vandy is ehhh, Florida is average, Georgia is ok, top 15, not top 10. Ark was overrated of course. But, it's top is best in the country Bama and LSU are 1-2, with South Carolina, a top 10 team.