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Should Penn State get the death penalty?

  • sanitizer
    They don't even have rules against what happened it is so out of the ball park for the NCAA! This situation is getting more and more disturbing as the days go by. I would vote no on the death penalty, the kids that are at Penn now had nothing to do with what happened and punishing them seems wrong. With that said, something needs to happen. I don't think situations like this were even thought up before this happened as far as how to discipline a school for molesting kids that were a part of a second chance program??? I mean athletically how do you even come up with criteria for punishment??? I say legally pursue anyone and everyone who had any knowledge of what was happening and ignored it and NAIL THEM. The size of the program and what it had accomplished seemed to act as an umbrella for this behavior to hide under but in the end it was not the cause. There were a small group of individuals who stopped this information from getting where it needed to go. Due to the agreement I made when signing up for this site I can't state what I think should be done to the guilty parties but I think all of us with kids are probably frightened at the evil we could be capable of if someone harmed one of our kids this way. So death penalty for the athletic program I would vote no, but a SERIOUS investigation needs to continue and those that let is slide should pay...
  • Bob Dole
    georgemc80;1227753 wrote:But ultimately, the individuals covered it up. The school didn't commit a crime. The people in power did.

    With that rationale, it's impossible for the school to get in trouble for anything, ever. People run the school.
  • reclegend22
    BoatShoes;1227764 wrote:Yes, I think they should. I think they need to consider punishment's for the entire university. Janitors all the way up to the President of the University were covering up a horrific case of pedophilia that reached back into the 70's according to new reports. Remember back when Star Linebacker Dan Connor was suspended for prank calling Jerry Sandusky??? It was because the whole team knew he was a pedo! Everybody knew he was a pedo and nobody did anything. Just shut the damn place down. The District Attorney was MURDERED! This is beyond the football program. The whole university was a damn criminal enterprise.
    Dan Connor was not suspended in 2005 for calling Jerry Sandusky. That is false. Connor has admitted this himself. The prank phone calls he made were directed at a then-assistant coach at PSU.

    And comparing Penn State to the Gambino Crime Family and indirectly accusing Paterno and Co. of ordering a contract hit before all the facts of the case come out and the Freeh Report's opinions can be put under the scope in court is a bit presumptuous, don't ya think?
  • LJ
    I don't think they should get any punishment from the NCAA. Last thing I want is them having more power.
    @schadjoe: NCAA experts keep saying the PSU situation is outside NCAA bylaws and the Emmert doesn't presently have autonomy to level penalties

    @schadjoe: The NCAA is exploring all options including unprecedented ones to due uniqueness of PSU case

    @schadjoe: Possible PSU action outside typical enforcement process could involve the NCAA Division I Board of Directors (18 presidents)

    @schadjoe: Possible the board could move to empower Mark Emmert the authority to take action and impose penalties when criminal actions are...

    @schadjoe: ...the subject of widespread and deliberate cover-up from numerous school officials (could help future legislation but unsure re PSU)


    I think the DOE just needs to come down hard on PSU for violating the Clery Act. If they issue a DOE "Death Penalty" the school will basically be non-existent.
    Education Secretary Arne Duncan could cut all federal financial aid to Penn State as part of a Title IX amendment called the Clery Act.
    http://blog.constitutioncenter.org/2012/07/title-ix-could-lead-to-penn-state-death-penalty/
  • ts1227
    LJ;1227818 wrote:I don't think they should get any punishment from the NCAA. Last thing I want is them having more power.


    I think the DOE just needs to come down hard on PSU for violating the Clery Act. If they issue a DOE "Death Penalty" the school will basically be non-existent.


    http://blog.constitutioncenter.org/2012/07/title-ix-could-lead-to-penn-state-death-penalty/

    I generally agree with this.
  • WebFire
    The school is made up of individuals. They represent the school.

    Edit: guess I didn't grab the quote. This was in reply to whoever said the individuals committed the crime, not the school.
  • WebFire
    sanitizer;1227780 wrote:They don't even have rules against what happened it is so out of the ball park for the NCAA! This situation is getting more and more disturbing as the days go by. I would vote no on the death penalty, the kids that are at Penn now had nothing to do with what happened and punishing them seems wrong. With that said, something needs to happen. I don't think situations like this were even thought up before this happened as far as how to discipline a school for molesting kids that were a part of a second chance program??? I mean athletically how do you even come up with criteria for punishment??? I say legally pursue anyone and everyone who had any knowledge of what was happening and ignored it and NAIL THEM. The size of the program and what it had accomplished seemed to act as an umbrella for this behavior to hide under but in the end it was not the cause. There were a small group of individuals who stopped this information from getting where it needed to go. Due to the agreement I made when signing up for this site I can't state what I think should be done to the guilty parties but I think all of us with kids are probably frightened at the evil we could be capable of if someone harmed one of our kids this way. So death penalty for the athletic program I would vote no, but a SERIOUS investigation needs to continue and those that let is slide should pay...
    As has been said already, many (most?) NCAA punishments punish the people that didn't break the rule. Some are handed down after the player or coaches have left (Reggies Bush). Some affect a whole team for just a few's actions (OSU tattoos). This is no different.
  • isadore
    reclegend22;1227783 wrote:Dan Connor was not suspended in 2005 for calling Jerry Sandusky. That is false. Connor has admitted this himself. The prank phone calls he made were directed at a then-assistant coach at PSU.

    And comparing Penn State to the Gambino Crime Family and indirectly accusing Paterno and Co. of ordering a contract hit before all the facts of the case come out and the Freeh Report's opinions can be put under the scope in court is a bit presumptuous, don't ya think?
    gosh where do you get off comparing gambino crime famiy with Penn State administration and Football program. Was one of the Gambinos a serial child rapist and the gang his accomplices. The gambinos have their ethical standard you know.
  • BoatShoes
    Fab1b;1227777 wrote:I don't think the DA (who is still missing I believe so murdered possibly but not fact) is in relation to Sandusky's case. He was also handeling some major drug cases from my understanding.

    Connor and teammates were not pranking Sandusky:
    http://deadspin.com/5858679/penn-state-lb-suspended-in-2005-for-prank-calling-a-retired-assistant-coach-says-it-wasnt-jerry-sandusky
    My mistake on Dan Connor. My source for that was a guy from Happy Valley on another college football message board so hearsay at best. I was not aware that he had denied it in the papers. Either way, I think this is beyond the scope of the NCAA and warrants action taken by the DOE.
  • BoatShoes
    reclegend22;1227783 wrote:Dan Connor was not suspended in 2005 for calling Jerry Sandusky. That is false. Connor has admitted this himself. The prank phone calls he made were directed at a then-assistant coach at PSU.

    And comparing Penn State to the Gambino Crime Family and indirectly accusing Paterno and Co. of ordering a contract hit before all the facts of the case come out and the Freeh Report's opinions can be put under the scope in court is a bit presumptuous, don't ya think?
    I was wrong about Dan Connor. I was unaware he had denied it. I'm relaying what I heard from a Happy Valley resident on another college football message board who had had reliable information on PSU in the past so it was at best hearsay. For what it is worth though, Connor never said who the coach was according to the deadspin link although there appears to be speculation it was that guy with dementia Sarra or whatever.

    And, I admit my posts about this topic are a bit dramatic. I suppose I just cannot believe how out of control this whole thing was. The concentration on the football or athletics program seems misplaced to me.
  • BoatShoes
    LJ;1227818 wrote:I don't think they should get any punishment from the NCAA. Last thing I want is them having more power.


    I think the DOE just needs to come down hard on PSU for violating the Clery Act. If they issue a DOE "Death Penalty" the school will basically be non-existent.


    http://blog.constitutioncenter.org/2012/07/title-ix-could-lead-to-penn-state-death-penalty/
    ^This.
  • Con_Alma
    BoatShoes;1227924 wrote:...The concentration on the football or athletics program seems misplaced to me.
    Agreed...across the whole country not just Penn St. ....and with regards to all sports.
  • vball10set
    http://www.toledoblade.com/sports/2012/07/18/NCAA-will-get-information-it-wants-on-Sandusky-sex-abuse-scandal-within-days.html

    In a PBS interview Monday night, NCAA President Mark Emmert said he's "never seen anything as egregious as this in terms of just overall conduct and behavior inside a university." He said he doesn't want to take "anything off the table" if there's a finding that Penn State violated NCAA rules.
    The last time the NCAA shut down a football program was in the 1980s, when Southern Methodist University was forced to drop the sport because of extra benefits violations. After the NCAA suspended the SMU program for a year, the school decided not to play in 1988, either, as it tried to regroup.
    Erickson would not say whether he thought Penn State deserved to have its football program yanked.
    "Let's not get ahead of ourselves here," Erickson told The Associated Press as he conducted a round of media interviews in his office on Tuesday. "Let's wait for this process to unfold. President Emmert has said that the NCAA will take a deliberate and deliberative process in addressing this, so I don't think we should jump to any conclusions at this point."
  • isadore
    Former FBI director finds the smoking gun emails that show not just institutional impropriety but criminal conspiracy orchestrated by Joe Paterno.
  • 0311sdp
    Con_Alma;1227933 wrote:Agreed...across the whole country not just Penn St. ....and with regards to all sports.
    This is what happens when money becomes the driving force. I think that money has ruined pro sports and now with the billions of dollars at stake in college athletics the temptation to sidestep rules, ethics, etc. to get that money is in some cases too great. Everyone wants more money and unfortunately sports is where the big money is so they have become the main priority at some of the big-time schools. The only way to get that money is to win at all costs.
  • vball10set
    Fallout from the scandal...

    http://chronicle.com/blogs/players/jim-delany-wants-the-power-to-fire-coaches/30771
  • FatHobbit
    The Big Ten is mulling a proposal that would give its commissioner, already one of the most powerful men in college sports, the authority to fire coaches himself
    No way he would have fired Jopa before this came out. This would have made no difference.
  • reclegend22
    These are in many cases world-class insitutions we are talking about and as such they should either be capable of handling the hiring and firing of athletic coaches on their own or not have a university to begin with. While the Penn State situation is unfortunate, even if the the Big Ten had the authority to force out Paterno 10 years ago, it wouldn't have because the Big Ten wouldn't have had any clue about what was going on in Happy Valley.
  • Con_Alma
    0311sdp;1228525 wrote:This is what happens when money becomes the driving force. I think that money has ruined pro sports and now with the billions of dollars at stake in college athletics the temptation to sidestep rules, ethics, etc. to get that money is in some cases too great. Everyone wants more money and unfortunately sports is where the big money is so they have become the main priority at some of the big-time schools. The only way to get that money is to win at all costs.
    I tend to agree but would add that those that follow such sports are partly to blame also. We have lost perspective as a society on it's value and role and made it out to be much more important than it truly is. Sports isn't the only thing that has evolved in to this...the rest of the entertainment world is similar in my view.
  • vball10set
    FatHobbit;1228940 wrote:No way he would have fired Jopa before this came out. This would have made no difference.
    I agree
  • WebFire
    FatHobbit;1228940 wrote:No way he would have fired Jopa before this came out. This would have made no difference.
    Is that even legal?
  • swoosh
    If B1G passes this, then every other conference in the league will do something like this, and it would be ultimate chaos.
  • bigkahuna
    I asked this before, and I don't think anyone answered it.

    If they do get the DP, would it begin this season or wait until next? It'd be pretty shitty for everyone involved if they got the DP a week before fall camp starts. That leaves virtually no time for the 12 teams on the schedule to find a replacement or the players to find new schools.

    Also, if they wait until NEXT season to hand down the penalty, it would almost lose it's meaning right? "We'll let you play this season, but it's not going to matter because you won't have a next season."
  • swoosh
    They should not get a death penalty. The NCAA should stay out of this. This is not a memorabilia for tattoos thing, this is an FBI investigation. The NCAA needs to get that in their heads right now. And remember, this is happened in the past. Sandusky and JoePa is no longer on the team. There's no one they can suspend.
  • mella
    ccrunner609;1229581 wrote:SMH????

    THe NCAA is and should be all over this. THe whole coverup was a football/athletics program issue. It has everything to do with the NCAA. THis isnt the engineering or education department at the university covering up something.
    This. +1