Ohio State vs. Syracuse (Saturday 7:05)

• SportsAndLady

  

  Lol there is no way that's a foul.
  
  Just like there is no way Tyshawn Taylor got fouled in the 2nd Missouri game for the GW FT's..lol it's okay to just admit it, it won't hurt..
• Fly4Fun

  

  SportsAndLady;1127958 wrote:Lol there is no way that's a foul.
  
  Just like there is no way Tyshawn Taylor got fouled in the 2nd Missouri game for the GW FT's..lol it's okay to just admit it, it won't hurt..

  He swings his arms down and makes contact with the shooters arm. That's a foul. I don't know what you're thinking.
• SportsAndLady

  

  He doesn't swing his arm down, he brings his arm down towards the ball, makes no contact with Sully's arm...no foul
• Fly4Fun

  

  He brings his arms down (swings/lowers, whatever you want to call it, you're just arguing semantics) and his right arm (not his hand, but his arm) hits Jared's right arm (shooting arm). It definitely makes contact. It definitely affected his shot (it was really short and off target). It is a foul. You cannot lower your arms into the shooters arms and hit it. That's a foul. Notice how Keita doesn't even really complain? He tries to ask for a travel, but doesn't even act like he was incorrectly called for a foul beyond that.
  
  If you can't see a foul there then there is no helping you.
  
  I'll admit that Sullinger got bailed out by a dumb foul by Keita, but it is definitely a foul. If he just kept his arms up and didn't make contact it would have been a terrible shot (probably a miss), but he lowered his arms into Sullinger's arm and created contact and thus the foul.
• SportsAndLady

  

  Fly4Fun;1127962 wrote:He brings his arms down (swings/lowers, whatever you want to call it, you're just arguing semantics) and his right arm (not his hand, but his arm) hits Jared's right arm (shooting arm). It definitely makes contact. It definitely affected his shot (it was really short and off target). It is a foul. You cannot lower your arms into the shooters arms and hit it. That's a foul. Notice how Keita doesn't even really complain? He tries to ask for a travel, but doesn't even act like he was incorrectly called for a foul beyond that.
  
  If you can't see a foul there then there is no helping you.
  
  I'll admit that Sullinger got bailed out by a dumb foul by Keita, but it is definitely a foul. If he just kept his arms up and didn't make contact it would have been a terrible shot (probably a miss), but he lowered his arms into Sullinger's arm and created contact and thus the foul.

  Again, you're out of your fucking mind. There is no foul there. It was a terrible call, not even a weak call, a terrible call. Sully falls back on his own, the defenders allowed to bring his arms down, that's not post defense. He was out of control and was bailed out by a TERRIBLE CALL, not bailed out by a dumb foul on Keita.
  
  Stop being such a homer.
• GOONx19

  

  There's no foul on that one, Fly4Fun. I'm not saying that Syracuse didn't benefit from some, as well, but that was a bad call.
• Fly4Fun

  

  I ca't believe you don't see it. I agree Sully falls back on his own, that's not in dispute. As Sully was falling back, he was throwing up a desperate shot. The defender, idiotically lowered his arms and made contact with Sullinger's shooting arm. You can't move your arms into the shooters shooting arm and there not be a foul. He clearly makes contact with the area around Sullinger's elbow. Keita bailed Sullinger out. It has nothing to do with the refs, they made the right call. It was Keita's dumb play that was the problem.
  
  Even assuming you can't see the contact which is what the refs clearly saw. You can tell there was a foul by the path the ball took. It was incredibly short (no power) and off target. As good as Sully is (or any player at this level), even falling away they will get the ball closer to the basket.
  
  It is painfully obvious (to me) by the video itself that there was:
  1) Contact from actual video evidence. It was Kieta's right arm hitting Sullinger's right arm. AND
  2) Contact from the result of the shot. It was so freaking off target and bad, it's unfathomable that someone with Sullinger's ability woudl have been THAT far off. I can understand clanking off the backboard/rim or being an air ball to the side. But the shot was incredibly short AND off target. That's as a result of someone hitting his shooting arm, which as already stated you can see in the video.
  
  But apparently we both completely disagree. I always am amused when people can look at the same thing and see things completely differently. So there really is not a point to continuing this discussion any further. I am curious as to what others have to say though, assuming anyone else checks this out.
  
  The easiest part to see the foul is at 1:32:07-10 (this is the first replay on the telecast). You can clearly see it happen. You can even see Sullinger's arm move as it's hit by Keita.
  
  Edit: Response to Goon. I disagree obviously. I think it's a crappy call if you're a Cuse fan because your player just bailed out an OSU player. But it's a correct call. Keita just happened to make a bad decision when playing otherwise good defense on that possession. It happens.
  
  Also, another point that I was thinking about. It was not a hard foul by any means, there is a chance a foul like that might go uncalled in normal B1G or Big East conference play. But with the way that that crew was calling the game that night, it was definitely a foul. There was contact, on the shooters arm initiated because Keita brought down his arm into the shooters arm. It wasn't a phantom call by any means, at least I see contact. I can see why it is debatable because it could go uncalled in some circumstances.
  
  But technically it is a foul, and it is a foul in light of the way the officiating crew was calling that game.
• Automatik

  

  I thought he made contact and it could have gone either way, but honestly who gives a fuck. The game is over, OSU advances.
  
  Time to focus on Kansas. I'm just hoping the refs aren't as whistle happy on Saturday.
• centralbucksfan

  Fly4Fun;1127976 wrote:I ca't believe you don't see it. I agree Sully falls back on his own, that's not in dispute. As Sully was falling back, he was throwing up a desperate shot. The defender, idiotically lowered his arms and made contact with Sullinger's shooting arm. You can't move your arms into the shooters shooting arm and there not be a foul. He clearly makes contact with the area around Sullinger's elbow. Keita bailed Sullinger out. It has nothing to do with the refs, they made the right call. It was Keita's dumb play that was the problem.
  
  Even assuming you can't see the contact which is what the refs clearly saw. You can tell there was a foul by the path the ball took. It was incredibly short (no power) and off target. As good as Sully is (or any player at this level), even falling away they will get the ball closer to the basket.
  
  It is painfully obvious (to me) by the video itself that there was:
  1) Contact from actual video evidence. It was Kieta's right arm hitting Sullinger's right arm. AND
  2) Contact from the result of the shot. It was so freaking off target and bad, it's unfathomable that someone with Sullinger's ability woudl have been THAT far off. I can understand clanking off the backboard/rim or being an air ball to the side. But the shot was incredibly short AND off target. That's as a result of someone hitting his shooting arm, which as already stated you can see in the video.
  
  But apparently we both completely disagree. I always am amused when people can look at the same thing and see things completely differently. So there really is not a point to continuing this discussion any further. I am curious as to what others have to say though, assuming anyone else checks this out.
  
  The easiest part to see the foul is at 1:32:07-10 (this is the first replay on the telecast). You can clearly see it happen. You can even see Sullinger's arm move as it's hit by Keita.
  
  Edit: Response to Goon. I disagree obviously. I think it's a crappy call if you're a Cuse fan because your player just bailed out an OSU player. But it's a correct call. Keita just happened to make a bad decision when playing otherwise good defense on that possession. It happens.
  
  Also, another point that I was thinking about. It was not a hard foul by any means, there is a chance a foul like that might go uncalled in normal B1G or Big East conference play. But with the way that that crew was calling the game that night, it was definitely a foul. There was contact, on the shooters arm initiated because Keita brought down his arm into the shooters arm. It wasn't a phantom call by any means, at least I see contact. I can see why it is debatable because it could go uncalled in some circumstances.
  
  But technically it is a foul, and it is a foul in light of the way the officiating crew was calling that game.

  This call, based on what you can see, can certainly be subjective. But Sully's second, Thompson on Waiters, Craft 5th foul, Craft double dribble call and Amir goal tend are not even arguable. They are laughable.
• killer_ewok

  

  centralbucksfan;1128009 wrote:This call, based on what you can see, can certainly be subjective. But Sully's second, Thompson on Waiters, Craft 5th foul, Craft double dribble call and Amir goal tend are not even arguable. They are laughable.

  
  You're crazy with saying that call is "subjective" but then in the same breath saying that Sullinger's 2nd foul was a joke. His hand/finger made contact with Waiters' face. One call with contact is "subjective" but another that also included hand-to-face contact was a joke? C'mon, man. I get the feeling that you think just about EVERY call against OSU is bad whether it's legit or not.
• SportsAndLady

  

  Fly4Fun;1127976 wrote:I ca't believe you don't see it. I agree Sully falls back on his own, that's not in dispute. As Sully was falling back, he was throwing up a desperate shot. The defender, idiotically lowered his arms and made contact with Sullinger's shooting arm. You can't move your arms into the shooters shooting arm and there not be a foul. He clearly makes contact with the area around Sullinger's elbow. Keita bailed Sullinger out. It has nothing to do with the refs, they made the right call. It was Keita's dumb play that was the problem.
  
  Even assuming you can't see the contact which is what the refs clearly saw. You can tell there was a foul by the path the ball took. It was incredibly short (no power) and off target. As good as Sully is (or any player at this level), even falling away they will get the ball closer to the basket.
  
  It is painfully obvious (to me) by the video itself that there was:
  1) Contact from actual video evidence. It was Kieta's right arm hitting Sullinger's right arm. AND
  2) Contact from the result of the shot. It was so freaking off target and bad, it's unfathomable that someone with Sullinger's ability woudl have been THAT far off. I can understand clanking off the backboard/rim or being an air ball to the side. But the shot was incredibly short AND off target. That's as a result of someone hitting his shooting arm, which as already stated you can see in the video.
  
  But apparently we both completely disagree. I always am amused when people can look at the same thing and see things completely differently. So there really is not a point to continuing this discussion any further. I am curious as to what others have to say though, assuming anyone else checks this out.
  
  The easiest part to see the foul is at 1:32:07-10 (this is the first replay on the telecast). You can clearly see it happen. You can even see Sullinger's arm move as it's hit by Keita.
  
  Edit: Response to Goon. I disagree obviously. I think it's a crappy call if you're a Cuse fan because your player just bailed out an OSU player. But it's a correct call. Keita just happened to make a bad decision when playing otherwise good defense on that possession. It happens.
  
  Also, another point that I was thinking about. It was not a hard foul by any means, there is a chance a foul like that might go uncalled in normal B1G or Big East conference play. But with the way that that crew was calling the game that night, it was definitely a foul. There was contact, on the shooters arm initiated because Keita brought down his arm into the shooters arm. It wasn't a phantom call by any means, at least I see contact. I can see why it is debatable because it could go uncalled in some circumstances.
  
  But technically it is a foul, and it is a foul in light of the way the officiating crew was calling that game.

  Lol wow you wrote A LOT just to be wrong all throughout...you can't justify it being a legit call no matter how long ur post is. You're coming off more a homer than cbf and dare I say more than our friend sleeper?
• Skyhook79

  

  SportsAndLady;1128024 wrote:Lol wow you wrote A LOT just to be wrong all throughout...you can't justify it being a legit call no matter how long ur post is. You're coming off more a homer than cbf and dare I say more than our friend sleeper?

  Lol can't believe you read the whole thing.
• Prescott

  Has anyone mentioned the foul called when the Syracuse player got rim jammed?? Phantom call!!
• SportsAndLady

  

  Skyhook79;1128027 wrote:Lol can't believe you read the whole thing.

  Im in an incredibly boring training session right now so anything is more entertaining than actually listening..although that was close lol
• dlazz

  (comment about officiating here, although the game has been decided)
• centralbucksfan

  killer_ewok;1128014 wrote:You're crazy with saying that call is "subjective" but then in the same breath saying that Sullinger's 2nd foul was a joke. His hand/finger made contact with Waiters' face. One call with contact is "subjective" but another that also included hand-to-face contact was a joke? C'mon, man. I get the feeling that you think just about EVERY call against OSU is bad whether it's legit or not.

  And I think ur fuckin crazy for thinking otherwise. I was watching the game with a friend, who is a non OSU fan, actually a ND fan. He even said the call against Sully was complete bullshit, as the replay showed. I have no idea where you are getting this hand to face thing with some contact. Did you even see the replay? I said it was bad both ways. Would I have called a foul against Sully on that? No. But again, those I listed above, were NOT even close to the violations they called. NOT close! Double dribble? Are you kidding me? Foul on Thompson on Waiters missed dunk? lol Craft last foul on the steal and basket late in game that gave 'Cuse a chance? Amir goaltending call? Not even close on replay. Ur arguing ONE call vs my five OBVIOUS missed calls. There were many bad calls both ways. My point is, on those 5 I mentioned, they were flat out POOR calls that were not even close or questionable.
  An article from one of UR OWN with this quote:
  "Did you see Jared Sullinger's second foul vs Syracise? Yeah, neither did I. It never happened. He didn't even make contact!"
  
  http://www.syracuse.com/axeman/index.ssf/2012/03/syracuse_basketbal_vs_ohio_sta.html
  
  
  Here is a VID of the call ur arguing over. Did he touch him? Maybe, mabye not. In real action, it looks like he did, could have. Subjective IMO.
  
  http://www.sbnation.com/2012-ncaa-tournament/2012/3/24/2900535/bill-raftery-jared-sullinger-video-ohio-state-vs-syracuse
  
  Here is best VID I could find of Sullinger foul, at the 45 sec mark of VID. Not a great VID. But I don't need to view this as I saw the CBS replay and it wasn't close. No contact was made as mentioned above. The reply clearly showed no contact. Not even arguable.
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S57lu3BaztU
• derek bomar

  

  Prescott;1128028 wrote:Has anyone mentioned the foul called when the Syracuse player got rim jammed?? Phantom call!!

  i lol'd
• reclegend22

  

  centralbucksfan wrote:I was watching the game with a friend, who is a non OSU fan, actually a ND fan. He even said the call against Sully was complete bull****,

  With all due respect, killer_ewok, centralbucksfan has corroboration. Next time, you should try bringing facts. This debate is over.
• GOONx19

  

  reclegend22;1128122 wrote:With all due respect, killer_ewok, centralbucksfan has corroboration. Next time, you should try bringing facts. This debate is over.

  I lol'd.
• GOONx19

  

  Also, although there was no double-dribble on the Craft call, it WAS a carry.
• Sonofanump

  GOONx19;1128150 wrote:Also, although there was no double-dribble on the Craft call, it WAS a carry.

  So is most all of dribbling in today's game.
• GOONx19

  

  Oh, I know. Doron Lamb is the worst offender. But I don't know how centralbucksfan can get so mad when Craft obviously lifted the ball and then began dribbling downwards again. The ref should have just called it a carry.
• killer_ewok

  

  centralbucksfan;1128070 wrote:And I think ur fuckin crazy for thinking otherwise. I was watching the game with a friend, who is a non OSU fan, actually a ND fan. He even said the call against Sully was complete bullshit, as the replay showed. I have no idea where you are getting this hand to face thing with some contact. Did you even see the replay? I said it was bad both ways. Would I have called a foul against Sully on that? No. But again, those I listed above, were NOT even close to the violations they called. NOT close! Double dribble? Are you kidding me? Foul on Thompson on Waiters missed dunk? lol Craft last foul on the steal and basket late in game that gave 'Cuse a chance? Amir goaltending call? Not even close on replay. Ur arguing ONE call vs my five OBVIOUS missed calls. There were many bad calls both ways. My point is, on those 5 I mentioned, they were flat out POOR calls that were not even close or questionable.
  An article from one of UR OWN with this quote:
  "Did you see Jared Sullinger's second foul vs Syracise? Yeah, neither did I. It never happened. He didn't even make contact!"
  
  http://www.syracuse.com/axeman/index.ssf/2012/03/syracuse_basketbal_vs_ohio_sta.html
  
  
  Here is a VID of the call ur arguing over. Did he touch him? Maybe, mabye not. In real action, it looks like he did, could have. Subjective IMO.
  
  http://www.sbnation.com/2012-ncaa-tournament/2012/3/24/2900535/bill-raftery-jared-sullinger-video-ohio-state-vs-syracuse
  
  Here is best VID I could find of Sullinger foul, at the 45 sec mark of VID. Not a great VID. But I don't need to view this as I saw the CBS replay and it wasn't close. No contact was made as mentioned above. The reply clearly showed no contact. Not even arguable.
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S57lu3BaztU

  
  I saw a better/closer replay on ESPN that night that clearly showed Sullinger's finger/hand making contact with Waiters' face on that play. That replay you provided sucks but hey, whatever you think will make you right. The Triche charge foul was also a bad call. The random overturning of a ball that went out of bounds under the Cuse basket and then was given to OSU was a head scratcher as well.
  
  Oh, you watched the game with an ND fan? While I'll see your ND fan and raise you a Georgetown fan because those were the fans I watched the game with!!! Guess I'm right now, huh? That's absurd. I'm only talking about this stuff because some of you guys still are. You won the game and you're still complaining about calls. How miserable can you set out to be? Just be happy and move on. It was a poorly officiated game all the way around but I know that you've got to go on and on to make it look like OSU definitely got the worst of it. Meanwhile, quite a few other non-OSU/non-'Cuse fans on here see it quite differently than you do. Hell, at least one OSU fan on here thinks 'Cuse got the worst of it.
  
  But that's right, CBF is ALWAYS correct and it's not in his nature to piss and moan about officiating every chance he gets (extreme sarcasm here as I read OSU hoops threads that I don't even post on and you do it every fucking game).
  
  Congrats to OSU and their fans (again). You guys had the better team that night and won and are in the Final Four. And I promise that no matter how much some of you bitch about officiating in a game that you WON...they're not going to just crown you national champs. You've still got a game or two to play. Can't wait to see CBF claim that almost every call went against OSU and they weren't even debatable/close in the OSU-Kansas game thread.
• vball10set

  GOONx19;1128150 wrote:Also, although there was no double-dribble on the Craft call, it WAS a carry.

  Now I just lol'd
• DeyDurkie5

  

  Here's what sums up the argument...
  
  The bucks dominated syracuse. Regardless of refs, both sides got some terrible calls. Who gives a fuck about those calls, bucks were clearly the better team and won the game. End of story.
  
  On to rockchalk