Ohio State vs. Syracuse (Saturday 7:05)

• vball10set

  Another excellent win, and it makes no difference who we play, 'cause we're going to Nola. Next.
• vball10set

  Mulva;1127034 wrote:Yep. But he won't get recognition for that because he isn't Aaron Craft. If he isn't scoring he only gets hate.

  I don't hate on WB. I'm disappointed in his inconsistent play on the offensive side this season, but how can hate on a four year starter who's an all-time top 5 scorer, plays 36-38 minutes a game, and doesn't miss games because of injury, suspensions, etc? As a fellow Toledoan, I'm proud of what William has accomplished at THE OSU..and he's not done yet
• centralbucksfan

  Wow, not sure what to say. Little groggy and hung over this morning, but I am extremely elated to see this team make the Final Four!! Last nite game wasn't pretty. Mainly because the officiating seemed to dominate so much. Not sure I have seen such a POORLY officiated game at this level, this far into the NCAA. Yes, it was bad both ways. But Sully second foul, which was a complete JOKE, could have cost OSU the game. I have NEVER seen so many phantom fouls in my life. One or two in a game, ok. But this was beyond ridiculous!!
  At half, I felt relieved OSU was tied.
  Sullinger returned to do this thing. What can you say about Smith? The guy was absolute CLUTCH! Although Buford and Thomas struggled for the most part, each had their moments.
  Craft...unreal defensive effort yet again. Those who kept on the Burke BS, can stick it. I wouldn't trade Craft for any freaking guard in the country! His defensive dominance makes up for any lack of offense. He has turned into the unquestioned LEADER of this team.
  With our without Melo, 'Cuse is a very, very talented and balanced team. I don't buy into the worse #1 seed. They were very deserving. So many weapons. Overall, OSU did pretty well vs the zone. It was obvious what Sullinger presense or lackthere of, did vs that zone.
  Ok, time to go pop a couple of aspirin! Onto Final Four!!
• centralbucksfan

  vball10set;1127053 wrote:I don't hate on WB. I'm disappointed in his inconsistent play on the offensive side this season, but how can hate on a four year starter who's an all-time top 5 scorer, plays 36-38 minutes a game, and doesn't miss games because of injury, suspensions, etc? As a fellow Toledoan, I'm proud of what William has accomplished at THE OSU..and he's not done yet

  I was extremely happy to see OSU make the Final Four for WB and Sullinger. Buford for obvious reasons. Sullinger because of his committment to return to OSU.
  Buford wasn't great by any means last nite, again. But he did just enough IMO. His struggles have forced others like Thomas, Smith and Craft to be more offensive minded. So in the big picture, believe it or not, his struggles may have made this team better overall. And to Buford, credit, he hasnt' really been forcing things as much as he used to either. Which again, he hasn't needed to because of others stepping up.
• Sonofanump

  Rarely will you see me criticize officials. It is even more difficult to observe in basketball being so subjective in judgment. I am usually watching officials and off ball action more than watching the game as a fan. I was surprised that those officials were given an elite eight assignment with the quality of officiating that I saw last night. I could not single out one of them, it appeared that all three were off their game last night. I hope that they perform better next year.
• ytownfootball

  

  Thought I heard them say that the head of the NCAA officials was in attendance. If so, it might explain their over exuberance, but it was terrible.
• centralbucksfan

  ytownfootball;1127185 wrote:Thought I heard them say that the head of the NCAA officials was in attendance. If so, it might explain their over exuberance, but it was terrible.

  He was. Jim Boeheim turned and said something to him during the game. Which I found a bit funny considering some of the calls against OSU were just absolutely pitiful. They weren't good either way. But wow, the phantom NO touch fouls were beyond ridiculous.
• karen lotz

  

  ytownfootball;1127185 wrote:Thought I heard them say that the head of the NCAA officials was in attendance. If so, it might explain their over exuberance, but it was terrible.

  
  He was and I think he was sitting court side next to Syracuse's bench. Boeheim had a few exchanges with him during the game that CBS pointed out. I also saw last night that he had taken a lot of heat after the game, and deservedly so.
• ytownfootball

  

  Yeah thought so, too wrapped up and boozed up to remember clearly lol. Just mind boggling that in the ELITE 8 we get that kind of ticky tack, phantom horseshit. 'Cuse, (don't crucify me) seemed tto get the worst of it. Both were subject to bad ones, 'Cuse was able to weather it better being deeper that the Bucks.
• centralbucksfan

  ytownfootball;1127195 wrote:Yeah thought so, too wrapped up and boozed up to remember clearly lol. Just mind boggling that in the ELITE 8 we get that kind of ticky tack, phantom horse****. 'Cuse, (don't crucify me) seemed tto get the worst of it. Both were subject to bad ones, 'Cuse was able to weather it better being deeper that the Bucks.

  No crucification. But not sure how you can think 'Cuse got the worst? It isn't always about the number of fouls or FT's shot. Its often the timing. The Sullinger phantom second foul could have easily cost OSU the game. Right after that, Thompson foul on Waiters missed dunk attempt was laughable. Never touched him. Then the foul very late when 'Cuse was making a run, replay show never touched. I think that was called on Craft. I mean, those were never even close! They were so blatently bad. Yes, bad both ways. Call me a homer, but OSU got shafted much worse IMO.
• ytownfootball

  

  Double dribble, call in the cylinder second on Sully lol, yeah they were horrible, 'Cuse had 7/8 more in the first half though
• SportsAndLady

  

  Mulva;1127032 wrote:Yes.
  
  T-Rob is a monster. Tyshawn is very talented, but has the basketball IQ of a 3 year old and I would never trust him to make a good decision in a big situation.
  
  Withey has become a very good interior defender, but let's not pretend he's not limited at everything else. There's a reason he couldn't stay on the court against Purdue. He can't defend perimeter players, and he doesn't have an offensive game to speak of.
  
  After that? Teahan? Releford? Johnson? Really?
  
  KU barely has 3 guys averaging double figures. It's Robinson and Taylor carrying things. Bill Self has done amazing things with this team. I don't have any doubts that OSU, with Sullinger, on a neutral court, is clearly the better team.

  That's a bunch of horeseshit. Why? Because first you say you think they've overachieved, then in this post you pretty much say they aren't good outside of 2 players.
  
  Tyshawn Taylor has hit some huge shots this year, a few to win games. He doesn't have the biggest bball IQ, but he's not bball retarded. He hit those 2 free throws to beat Missouri, that's as clutch as it gets.
  
  As for the other guys, they're not all going to go for 15 points, as evidenced by their averages, but one (or sometimes 2) of them will step up huge. Happens every game.
  
  Plus, they're fantastic defensively. Bill Self has "been there"
  
  I'm not trying to say they're national champions, but holy shit you can't be serious with this they're not that good stuff. They're in the Elite 8 Lol
• SportsAndLady

  

  centralbucksfan;1127202 wrote: Call me a homer, but OSU got shafted much worse IMO.

  That's just not true. At the very worst, these refs were awful both ways, but no way were they "more awful" for OSU than Cuse.
• centralbucksfan

  SportsAndLady;1127210 wrote:That's just not true. At the very worst, these refs were awful both ways, but no way were they "more awful" for OSU than Cuse.

  Considering the timing of some of those calls, no question OSU got worst end. As I said, Sullinger call alone could have cost OSU big time. There were at least 2/3 in the final 2 minutes that help 'Cuse stay in game, double dribble against Craft, and another phantom foul on the steal, 3pt play under a min to go. Thompson foul, goal tending against Amir. OSU calls were SO BLATENTLY bad on replay, there was no question to them. Name the calls against 'Cuse? I can rip off at least 5 that replay showed were absolute joke calls. That was the issue. They were not close or questionable. If there is contact or something, you can at least question certain calls.
• SportsAndLady

  

  centralbucksfan;1127214 wrote:Considering the timing of some of those calls, no question OSU got worst end. As I said, Sullinger call alone could have cost OSU big time. There were at least 2/3 in the final 2 minutes that help 'Cuse stay in game, double dribble, and another phantom foul on the steal, 3pt play under a min to go. OSU calls were SO BLATENTLY bad on replay, there was no question to them. Name the calls against 'Cuse? I can rip off at least 5 that replay showed were absolute joke calls. That was the issue. They were not close or questionable. If there is contact or something, you can at least question certain calls.

  Granted I was drinking during the game, I was with ~10 people all watching (1 OSU fan, 1 Syraucse fan, 8 neutral)..and we all thought the 2 touch fouls on Sullinger when the Cuse were making a run in the 2nd half were bullshit. Especially the one where Sully was falling back on his own and the defender swatted the ball and they called a 2 shot foul. I'm not sure if I described that perfectly, but I know for sure that call was reallllll bad. Then right after that (or maybe it was right before that) they called a touch foul that sent him to the line on a bonus. Those 2 calls came at really important times because the Cuse were making a run.
  
  Again, I don't really care...I'm not sitting here all day trying to say the Cuse got screwed lol OSU was the better team and deserve the FF (and I picked them, too!). But I just disagree w/ the OSU got the worse blunt of the BS calls.
  
  I just think the refs were terrible in general.
• centralbucksfan

  SportsAndLady;1127205 wrote:That's a bunch of horese****. Why? Because first you say you think they've overachieved, then in this post you pretty much say they aren't good outside of 2 players.
  
  Tyshawn Taylor has hit some huge shots this year, a few to win games. He doesn't have the biggest bball IQ, but he's not bball retarded. He hit those 2 free throws to beat Missouri, that's as clutch as it gets.
  
  As for the other guys, they're not all going to go for 15 points, as evidenced by their averages, but one (or sometimes 2) of them will step up huge. Happens every game.
  
  Plus, they're fantastic defensively. Bill Self has "been there"
  
  I'm not trying to say they're national champions, but holy **** you can't be serious with this they're not that good stuff. They're in the Elite 8 Lol

  I would agree with this. Taylor is the make or break guy for this team. When they go up against a quality team, he has to play well for them to win. If he reverts to his hold habits of turning the ball over, taking poor shots, it will beat KU IMO. His play also opens things up for Robinson as well.
  And yes, KU is very good defensively, no question. I'd say its the reason they are where they are right now as they really haven't played well offensively in the NCAA. I personally enjoy watching this KU team play. They are beatable. But also have the ability to beat anyone. Very similar to OSU IMO.
• karen lotz

  

  centralbucksfan;1127202 wrote:Call me a homer...

  
  No way!
• centralbucksfan

  SportsAndLady;1127219 wrote:Granted I was drinking during the game, I was with ~10 people all watching (1 OSU fan, 1 Syraucse fan, 8 neutral)..and we all thought the 2 touch fouls on Sullinger when the Cuse were making a run in the 2nd half were bull****. Especially the one where Sully was falling back on his own and the defender swatted the ball and they called a 2 shot foul. I'm not sure if I described that perfectly, but I know for sure that call was reallllll bad. Then right after that (or maybe it was right before that) they called a touch foul that sent him to the line on a bonus. Those 2 calls came at really important times because the Cuse were making a run.
  
  Again, I don't really care...I'm not sitting here all day trying to say the Cuse got screwed lol OSU was the better team and deserve the FF (and I picked them, too!). But I just disagree w/ the OSU got the worse blunt of the BS calls.
  
  I just think the refs were terrible in general.

  Don't disagree. But at least those calls were questionable calls. The ones against OSU(not all, but an OBVIOUS handful), there were not even touches! Hell, Sullinger backed away on his second "foul". lol That is my point. Touch/bump are at least subjective calls.
• SportsAndLady

  

  centralbucksfan;1127220 wrote:I would agree with this. Taylor is the make or break guy for this team. When they go up against a quality team, he has to play well for them to win. If he reverts to his hold habits of turning the ball over, taking poor shots, it will beat KU IMO. His play also opens things up for Robinson as well.
  And yes, KU is very good defensively, no question. I'd say its the reason they are where they are right now as they really haven't played well offensively in the NCAA. I personally enjoy watching this KU team play. They are beatable. But also have the ability to beat anyway. Very similar to OSU IMO.

  Thank you! lol
  
  Last night Lenzelle Smith was HUGE for OSU, that's what Johnson, Releford, Teahan, Young are for KU...one of them will come up huge for Kansas. Elijah Johnson single handedly won that Purdue game for them.
  
  PS. Elijah Johnson should be in the Robinson and Taylor group. He's really, really fucking good. Finally starting to "come out" like I thought he would Day 1 this year but hasn't.
• SportsAndLady

  

  centralbucksfan;1127225 wrote:Don't disagree. But at least those calls were questionable calls. The ones against OSU(not all, but an OBVIOUS handful), there were not even touches! Hell, Sullinger backed away on his second "foul". lol That is my point. Touch/bump are at least subjective calls.

  I'm not saying OSU didn't get screwed in some instances. The refs were just overall bad lol
• karen lotz

  

  centralbucksfan;1127214 wrote:Considering the timing of some of those calls, no question OSU got worst end. As I said, Sullinger call alone could have cost OSU big time. There were at least 2/3 in the final 2 minutes that help 'Cuse stay in game, double dribble against Craft, and another phantom foul on the steal, 3pt play under a min to go. Thompson foul, goal tending against Amir. OSU calls were SO BLATENTLY bad on replay, there was no question to them. Name the calls against 'Cuse? I can rip off at least 5 that replay showed were absolute joke calls. That was the issue. They were not close or questionable. If there is contact or something, you can at least question certain calls.

  
  Craft's and 1, the charge/flop Craft took, charge on Sullinger that was missed, phantom foul on the perimeter, reach in on Craft that wasn't called. Sullinger didn't pick up his 3rd foul until the last couple minutes. Is that enough for you?
  
  Refs were HORRIBLE and embarrassing both ways. To think it hurt osu more is homerish.
• centralbucksfan

  karen lotz;1127229 wrote:Craft's and 1, the charge/flop Craft took, charge on Sullinger that was missed, phantom foul on the perimeter, reach in on Craft that wasn't called. Sullinger didn't pick up his 3rd foul until the last couple minutes. Is that enough for you?
  
  Refs were HORRIBLE and embarrassing both ways. To think it hurt osu more is homerish.

  STFU. Do you understand what a questionable call is? A charge can be very subjective. Get that? Look it up. A replay that SHOWS, there was NO contact, NOT even close, as was the case in at LEAST 4 of those calls, its not subjective!! His 3rd foul was irrelevent. His second, which was an absolute HORSESHIT call, could have cost OSU the game. Nuff said. Not going to change how I viewed the game. Time to move on!
• Cleveland Buck

  

  I think Elijah Johnson is KU's best player, or at least he would be if he looked for his shot more. Robinson is a great athlete and very good player, but doesn't have a whole lot of offensive skill and therefore can't be relied upon to carry a team. Taylor is talented but erratic. Johnson could score 20 a night if he wanted to.
• swamisez

  

  Congrats to Buckeye nation. Last year I found the whole OSU #1 talk insufferable and was quite pleased to see Kentucky win. This year my heart has softened toward the fan base and now I hope OSU can continue the success in New Orleans.
  
  Best of Luck vs. Kansas/UNC
• Fly4Fun

  

  SportsAndLady;1127219 wrote:Granted I was drinking during the game, I was with ~10 people all watching (1 OSU fan, 1 Syraucse fan, 8 neutral)..and we all thought the 2 touch fouls on Sullinger when the Cuse were making a run in the 2nd half were bullshit. Especially the one where Sully was falling back on his own and the defender swatted the ball and they called a 2 shot foul. I'm not sure if I described that perfectly, but I know for sure that call was reallllll bad. Then right after that (or maybe it was right before that) they called a touch foul that sent him to the line on a bonus. Those 2 calls came at really important times because the Cuse were making a run.
  
  Again, I don't really care...I'm not sitting here all day trying to say the Cuse got screwed lol OSU was the better team and deserve the FF (and I picked them, too!). But I just disagree w/ the OSU got the worse blunt of the BS calls.
  
  I just think the refs were terrible in general.

  The one where Sully was falling back, the defender clearly hit his arm. I didn't see it at first and thought he got bailed out. But on replay it shows the defender was all over his forearm.