OSU vs MSU
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lhslep134
Explain how the loss is relevant come NCAA tournament time...ccrunner609;1083650 wrote:irrelevant....LOL
(I'll be waiting a LONG time). -
LJ
Ccrunner's input....LOL -
lhslep134
I feel the same way today as I felt after the Duke and UF wins and IU and KU losses. None of it matters. It's nice to win these games but all you need to do is make the tournament.
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centralbucksfan
Well, I feel and I am sure coaches as well as players do, that winning the Big10 means something. When you start a season, you set goals, realistic ones. As you reach those as these season progresses, you check them off. Those goals then put you in a good position heading into the NCAA. Getting a high seed can put you into a good position. Winning the Big10, the best conference, would likely get OSU a #1 seed. Losing a home game to MSU puts OSU in a tough position to do that seeing that they still need to play AT MSU in last regular season game.lhslep134;1083657 wrote:I feel the same way today as I felt after the Duke and UF wins and IU and KU losses. None of it matters. It's nice to win these games but all you need to do is make the tournament.
That being said, I am wondering if a 2 seed might be better for this team. Won't be as much pressure on them. Who knows. Tues is next game. We'll see how they bounce back. -
PrescottIt is all about seeding. A #1 gives a team a free pass to the Sweet 16. A #2 seed is almost a free pass to the Sweet 16.
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centralbucksfan
Exactly. Which means games like yesterday are in fact relevant. Contrary to what others believe.Prescott;1083661 wrote:It is all about seeding. A #1 gives a team a free pass to the Sweet 16. A #2 seed is almost a free pass to the Sweet 16. -
lhslep134
Well Kansas/Northern Iowa would disagree with your "guarantee" of a #1 seed to Sweet 16.Prescott;1083661 wrote:It is all about seeding. A #1 gives a team a free pass to the Sweet 16. A #2 seed is almost a free pass to the Sweet 16.
Again, it doesn't matter (to me). We were the #1 overall seed last year and got placed in a bracket with UK and UNC.
Forgive me if, as a fan, I truthfully don't give a crap about the regular season any more after what happened last year. Do the players and coaches? I sure hope so. But I was so demoralized after last season's ending that I've become numb to the regular season. Yes I was rooting for us to win, yes it sucked when we lost, but I cannot be convinced of it's relevance, sorry. -
lhslep134
Kansas/Northern Iowa would beg to differ.Prescott;1083661 wrote:A #1 gives a team a free pass to the Sweet 16. A #2 seed is almost a free pass to the Sweet 16. -
wes_mantooth
Prescott;1083624 wrote:I think it would help Buford and the team if OSU ran plays to get him good looks early in the game.
I agree. He needs to get going early -
SportsAndLady
Kansas/Northern Iowa was more of an exception. No one is saying it's an absolute lock (in the literal sense) that a 1 seed makes it to the sweet 16, but it certainly ups your percentage of getting there.lhslep134;1083667 wrote:Well Kansas/Northern Iowa would disagree with your "guarantee" of a #1 seed to Sweet 16.
Again, it doesn't matter (to me). We were the #1 overall seed last year and got placed in a bracket with UK and UNC.
Forgive me if, as a fan, I truthfully don't give a crap about the regular season any more after what happened last year. Do the players and coaches? I sure hope so. But I was so demoralized after last season's ending that I've become numb to the regular season. Yes I was rooting for us to win, yes it sucked when we lost, but I cannot be convinced of it's relevance, sorry.
A guaranteed first round win and a matchup with the 8 or 9 seed is certainly better than playing a 12 seed in the first round and then a matchup with the 4 seed.
If you really don't care one bit about the regular season, then you wouldn't mind being the 16 seed, right? -
lhslep134
A. At-larges don't generally get worse than a 12 seedSportsAndLady;1083683 wrote:
If you really don't care one bit about the regular season, then you wouldn't mind being the 16 seed, right?
B. As long as my team has shown flashes of the ability to win the national championship come tourney time, which OSU has, then no, I don't particularly care about losing to the 4th, 5th, 15th, and 43rd ranked teams in the RPI.
Obviously if OSU looked like absolute sh*t during the regular season then I'm going to take notice and will be bummed out that it doesn't seem like they have a shot at the national championship.
And also, I'm fairly certain you're not stupid enough to not know what I mean about the meaninglessness of the regular season. Losses simply don't matter as much in the long run when you're a fringe 1/2 seed (which I guess I should have clarified in my previous posts). -
Automatik
Terrible game but pretty much everyone involved on OSU. :thumbdown: -
SportsAndLady
You didn't answer my question...it doesn't matter what at-larges usually get, would you be fine if they received a 16 seed in the tourney?lhslep134;1083697 wrote:A. At-larges don't generally get worse than a 12 seed
B. As long as my team has shown flashes of the ability to win the national championship come tourney time, which OSU has, then no, I don't particularly care about losing to the 4th, 5th, 15th, and 43rd ranked teams in the RPI.
Obviously if OSU looked like absolute sh*t during the regular season then I'm going to take notice and will be bummed out that it doesn't seem like they have a shot at the national championship.
Because the regular season is completely irrelevant to you, so as long as they get in, they're fine. -
lhslep134
If my team showed that they have a realistic shot of winning the national championship (i.e. the ability to beat a 1 seed as a 16), then yes, I would be fine with a 16 seed. I'd be fine with any seed, because as UCONN showed last year, anyone with the ability to win can. UConn showed the ability to win a championship last year despite their losses to St. John's or WVU, even though they weren't, IMO, the best team in the country.SportsAndLady;1083703 wrote:would you be fine if they received a 16 seed in the tourney?
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SportsAndLady
Right but getting a better seed just gives you an easier route. I don't see how that makes the reg season irrelevant.lhslep134;1083706 wrote:If my team showed that they have a realistic shot of winning the national championship (i.e. the ability to beat a 1 seed as a 16), then yes, I would be fine with a 16 seed. I'd be fine with any seed, because as UCONN showed last year, anyone can win. I'm pretty sure UConn fans didn't care about their losses to St. John's or WVU last year when they won all of their tournament games. -
lhslep134
Is that really what you're taking from what I'm saying? Because that's not what I'm saying.SportsAndLady;1083703 wrote:
Because the regular season is completely irrelevant to you, so as long as they get in, they're fine.
You're stating my point without acknowledging the qualifier, that as long as they showed they are good enough to win the national championship, as long as they get in, I'm fine. -
lhslep134
Really? So having to go through UNC and UK in the same bracket was an easier route last year?SportsAndLady;1083707 wrote:Right but getting a better seed just gives you an easier route. I don't see how that makes the reg season irrelevant.
At the end of the day, OSU has showed me this year they can beat anyone in the country, so the fact that they have lost to KU, IU, UofI, and MSU doesn't bother me AT ALL. -
centralbucksfan
I get what you are saying. Don't disagree. BUT, higher seeds have a BETTER chance, path to the final four. There is NO question about that. But there are SO many other variables as well. Certainly matchups with certain teams can make a difference. Upsets in one bracket, running into a HOT team(UConn), etc, etc, etc. But its stupid to NOT want a high seed. At least a #2 seed. Which is what I think OSU may end up getting. Which would be fine with me.lhslep134;1083710 wrote:Really? So having to go through UNC and UK in the same bracket was an easier route last year?
At the end of the day, OSU has showed me this year they can beat anyone in the country, so the fact that they have lost to KU, IU, UofI, and MSU doesn't bother me AT ALL. -
SportsAndLady
No i'm not saying that at all. I actually agree that 'as long as you get in and are championship caliber, the regular season doesn't mean much' but I wouldn't go as far as saying it's completely irrelevant..it helps positioning and if you don't think a 1 seed gives you a better chance at reaching the final four than a 4 or 5 seed, I don't know what to tell you lollhslep134;1083709 wrote:Is that really what you're taking from what I'm saying? Because that's not what I'm saying.
You're stating my point without acknowledging the qualifier, that as long as they showed they are good enough to win the national championship, as long as they get in, I'm fine. -
SportsAndLady
Have they though? Their win over Duke at home is their best win...and that's not worthy of saying they can now beat anyone in the country since they beat Duke at home.lhslep134;1083710 wrote:Really? So having to go through UNC and UK in the same bracket was an easier route last year?
At the end of the day, OSU has showed me this year they can beat anyone in the country, so the fact that they have lost to KU, IU, UofI, and MSU doesn't bother me AT ALL.
Florida is wayyy overrated. No one in the B1G is elite, and OSU has 3 losses there, with no real great wins. The only elite opponent (other than maybe Duke..maybe) was Kansas and they lost by double digits. -
centralbucksfan
Tell me who else can say different? I could say what you just said above about ANY team in the country. And much of the above, is your opinion. And we all know ONE big thing that was missing vs KU.SportsAndLady;1083719 wrote:Have they though? Their win over Duke at home is their best win...and that's not worthy of saying they can now beat anyone in the country since they beat Duke at home.
Florida is wayyy overrated. No one in the B1G is elite, and OSU has 3 losses there, with no real great wins. The only elite opponent (other than maybe Duke..maybe) was Kansas and they lost by double digits. -
lhslep134
CBF and S&L you guys are both right. I'm not denying a better seed improves your chances. I'm kind of just stating my opinion that after last years utter disappointment after what I thought was the most dominant regular season of any team, I can't find myself caring about a regular season loss.
Was irrelevant the right word to use? No. I guess I should have used a different word to describe my indifference, but I think you guys get what I'm saying. -
lhslep134
Well, it's subjective. It's my opinion that our team is talented enough to take down anyone. Doesn't really matter to me if no one else in the world agrees.SportsAndLady;1083719 wrote:Have they though? -
SportsAndLady
Yeah but you wouldn't say "they are capable of beating any team in the country" about every team in the country.centralbucksfan;1083721 wrote:Tell me who else can say different? I could say what you just said above about ANY team in the country. And much of the above, is your opinion. And we all know ONE big thing that was missing vs KU.
I think Kentucky could beat any team in the country...wins vs UNC, and neutral vs Kansas
Not really too sure on Syracuse just because they haven't really gotten the chance against elite opponents. But 25-1 is 25-1.
Kansas I think can beat anyone in the country...wins neutral vs Georgetown, Ohio State, @ Baylor
Missouri...home vs Kansas, @ Baylor
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SportsAndLady
Yeah that is fair. I knew what you were saying just think irrelevant wasn't the right word. Doesn't help to have an easier road, even though you are capable of beating anybody.lhslep134;1083722 wrote:CBF and S&L you guys are both right. I'm not denying a better seed improves your chances. I'm kind of just stating my opinion that after last years utter disappointment after what I thought was the most dominant regular season of any team, I can't find myself caring about a regular season loss.
Was irrelevant the right word to use? No. I guess I should have used a different word to describe my indifference, but I think you guys get what I'm saying.