Voters already trying to push OSU into title game. OSU jumps over Stanford

• KnightRyder

  

  lhslep134;993366 wrote:I know you weren't talking to me, but I can tell you that my point was to show that Knightryder is indeed an FSU fan. No fan of another team would have gotten that defensive of me saying the 'Noles are a joke (even though they won't be relevant again anytime soon).

  i wasnt defensive , i went on the offense . shooting holes in your idiotic post. but only a stupid buckeye fan(insert your name here) couldnt figure that out.
• LJ

  

  stole this from another forum
  
  
  
  Which team do you think deserves to play LSU?
• Crimson streak

  

  I would say either team a,b or d
  
  *edit* the more I think about it team b. they have more wins vs top. 20
• Skyhook79

  

  LJ;995129 wrote:stole this from another forum
  
  
  
  Which team do you think deserves to play LSU?

  Is the top 20 W and top 40 W according to Sagarin rating or poll ranking?
• Pick6

  

  team b, no brainer.
• enigmaax

  Pick6;995223 wrote:team b, no brainer.

  Based on that, yes. Of course, based on that you also have to believe that Texas A&M (#12), Texas (#14), and Missouri (#18) are top 20 teams (Kansas State and Baylor are the other two) and that Tulsa is #27 in the country. And that all ten Big XII teams have the top 10 toughest schedules on the planet.
  
  http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbt11.htm
• Mulva

  

  Who is team C?
• enigmaax

  Mulva;995266 wrote:Who is team C?

  Virginia Tech
• Mulva

  

  enigmaax;995269 wrote:Virginia Tech

  Wow. Didn't even think about them. I'd be a little surprised that Georgia Tech and Virginia are both outside of the top 40, but it's Sagarin so not so much.
• bigkahuna

  LJ;995129 wrote:stole this from another forum
  
  
  
  Which team do you think deserves to play LSU?

  I'd say B as well. When will we know which team is which?
• Pick6

  

  bigkahuna;995484 wrote:I'd say B as well. When will we know which team is which?

  off of the top of my head, ill guess A= Bama, B= OK St, C= Va Tech, E= Houston
  
  Not sure on D, F..dont think Stanford has any wins over top 20 teams
• LJ

  

  Ill post the list in a min
• Mulva

  

  I would guess Team D might be Oklahoma, seeing how high a team like Texas A&M is in the Sagarin rankings. Obviously the computers like the Big 12.
• Crimson streak

  

  A is Boise b is osu c is va tech d is bama e is Houston and f is stanford
• LJ

  

  
• enigmaax

  Pick6;995495 wrote:dont think Stanford has any wins over top 20 teams

  USC and Notre Dame are the teams considered top 20 by Sagarin. The rankings used are quite a bit misleading and aren't even based on the Sagarin formula that is used by the BCS.
  
  EDIT: Corrected to ND, but apparently the writer mixed different formulas because ND isn't in the top 20 in one, while K-State isn't in the top 20 in the other, so the numbers aren't right one way or the other.
• Mulva

  

  Mulva;995539 wrote:I would guess Team D might be Oklahoma, seeing how high a team like Texas A&M is in the Sagarin rankings. Obviously the computers like the Big 12.

  So I was wrong, but I checked the Sagarin ratings and Oklahoma does have 7 wins over the Sagarin top 30.
  
  Obviously 2 losses would preclude them, but I was right about the Big 12 being loved by the computers. A&M, Baylor, Missouri, Texas are all up there with average records.
• bigkahuna

  I always love tables like this (usually see it more in the NCAA Tourney for At-Large). It takes away the stigma of a certain team's name and makes you look purely at the resumé.
• enigmaax

  A pretty good read on flaws in the selection process (not necessarily a call for a play-off, but a good outline of the problems with the current polls and computer elements):
  
  http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news;_ylt=AsIf4f_CBlUblTU7N8.JPLwcvrYF?slug=dw-wetzel_football_hostage_illegitimate_bcs_112911
• Skyhook79

  

  enigmaax;996049 wrote:A pretty good read on flaws in the selection process (not necessarily a call for a play-off, but a good outline of the problems with the current polls and computer elements):
  
  http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news;_ylt=AsIf4f_CBlUblTU7N8.JPLwcvrYF?slug=dw-wetzel_football_hostage_illegitimate_bcs_112911

  
  "The current formula is nothing more than nonsense math and an unsound popular vote that gets polished up by television. Anyone who cares about college football should demand something better.
  If we can’t get a playoff, can they at least stop insulting our intelligence? Can we at least get some attempt at sanity?"
  
  
  Thats all I have been saying about the BCS in a nutshell, except we can and should get a playoff system in place.
• centralbucksfan

  I am torn on this subject. Do I think LSU and Bama are the the two best teams in the country? Yes I do. But part of me says Bama had their shot at LSU, AT HOME. So why should they get another shot? Personally, I'd rather see someone else play LSU. Who? Who knows. Ok St, Stanford would be my only two at this point who might be deserving.
  Really doesn't matter because its going to end up being Bama vs LSU when its all said and done.
• bigkahuna

  centralbucksfan;996265 wrote:I am torn on this subject. Do I think LSU and Bama are the the two best teams in the country? Yes I do. But part of me says Bama had their shot at LSU, AT HOME. So why should they get another shot? Personally, I'd rather see someone else play LSU. Who? Who knows. Ok St, Stanford would be my only two at this point who might be deserving.
  Really doesn't matter because its going to end up being Bama vs LSU when its all said and done.

  I could see coaches from the other AQ Conferences actually sticking it to the SEC if indeed Okie State wins Saturday night. That's what we saw happen in 2006. After the SEC Title game, a Florida [dominating] win was enough to overturn voters. IF Okie State wins (and does it big) on Saturday, could 12 coaches from the B1G, 10 from the Big XII, a few from the Pac-12, Big East, ACC, and then some lesser conferences collectively screw over Alabama? I think it's definitely possible.
• enigmaax

  Skyhook79;996175 wrote:"The current formula is nothing more than nonsense math and an unsound popular vote that gets polished up by television. Anyone who cares about college football should demand something better.
  If we can’t get a playoff, can they at least stop insulting our intelligence? Can we at least get some attempt at sanity?"
  
  
  Thats all I have been saying about the BCS in a nutshell, except we can and should get a playoff system in place.

  There are two different arguments and I'm not even going to get into the "there should be a play-off" because it isn't happening and even if it does, it wouldn't change any seasons past or even this season. Accept that there are going to be two teams in a championship game and the next argument is how to select those teams.
  
  There are some good points about the calculation (and you've made some in the past, as well). But the bottom line is, do the two most deserving teams end up in the championship game in this system? So throw every season out to a selection committee if that is the solution - in what years would they have selected two different teams?
  
  In the common examples, the only one that I believe might have been different was USC over Oklahoma (versus LSU in 2003). That doesn't even mean it would've been the right decision because the argument for them was that they "looked" like the most talented team and the reason they really sat it out was because their schedule was pretty much cake (not that Oklahoma's was great).
  
  In 2001, it isn't a given that Oregon would've been selected over Nebraska because the Pac 10 only had three other teams with a winning record and Oregon lost to one of them (to go along with the nailbiters at the end of the season while Nebraska was pretty much destroying everyone).
  
  For the same reasons that schedule was important in those cases and for the same reasons that schedule would be important to any selection committee that would ever take over, Utah, TCU, and Boise are not valid examples of BCS calculation flaws. They wouldn't have been in a two-team championship game regardless of the selection process. And that is the biggest over-hyped non-tragedy ever used to demonstrate this system's flaws.
  
  Auburn, Cincinnati, and whoever else - none of these teams would have been selected in any other system where a group of people has to determine the two most deserving teams. Even if a basic system such as Ohio's Harbin system was implemented, the same teams would've ended up in the title game because it virtually always comes down to who beat better teams.
  
  So, sure there are some flaws that lead to some quirks (Arizona Western was #30 in one of the computer polls), but if it doesn't change the bottom line there isn't much point in a major overhaul. College football benefits tremendously from the week-to-week interest in the polls, the subsequent debates, and the speculation that is generated from the current setup.
• Skyhook79

  

  "There are two different arguments and I'm not even going to get into the "there should be a play-off" because it isn't happening and even if it does, it wouldn't change any seasons past or even this season."
  
  It wouldn't change? are you saying the same 2 teams would have ended up in the NC game the last 13 years even if there was a 8 or 12 team playoff?
• sleeper

  

  LJ;995129 wrote:stole this from another forum
  
  
  
  Which team do you think deserves to play LSU?

  Team B. No question.