Breaking: Syracuse B-Ball Assist Coach Under Investigation for Child Molestation

• Skyhook79

  

  2kool4skool;989794 wrote:lol at the backtracking in this thread.

  
  I am more amazed at the lack of certain posters who filled up 58 pages on the Penn St scandal thread?
  Bernie Fine was sitting on the bench next to Boeheim up until a few weeks ago for 35 years surely he knew something.
  Maybe they are all waiting for more information... /sarcasm
• Skyhook79

  

  http://kennermcquaid.blogspot.com/2011/11/syracuse-sex-scandal-making-some-sense.html
  
  
  Apparently ESPN has had this tape recording since 2003. Yet they did nothing with it. WoW all those talking heads on espn shaming Paterno for supposedly doing nothing. I wonder if anyone gets fired at espn?
• killer_ewok

  

  Azubuike24;989744 wrote:When does the media start jumping on this like they did with Penn State? Boeheim is a hall-of-famer and from some of the stuff out there, he might be in deeper than even Joe Pa was in-terms of what was going on with his knowledge.

  What's out there that makes you think he might be in deeper than Joe Pa? If Boeheim knew this was going on - he's done. There's some questionable stuff out there from the accusers and a lot of the details that I've seen make it all seem fishy but who knows. Hopefully justice is served. I'm not sure what the truth is at this point. I don't think Boeheim is stupid enough to make a statement like that if he had any inkling as to what was going on as that will surely come back to bite him in the ass in a big way.
• OhioStatePride2003

  killer_ewok;989857 wrote:What's out there that makes you think he might be in deeper than Joe Pa? If Boeheim knew this was going on - he's done. There's some questionable stuff out there from the accusers and a lot of the details that I've seen make it all seem fishy but who knows. Hopefully justice is served. I'm not sure what the truth is at this point. I don't think Boeheim is stupid enough to make a statement like that if he had any inkling as to what was going on as that will surely come back to bite him in the ass in a big way.

  Even if he doesn't really "know", he's done. No one to this day knows what Paterno really did, or didn't know. We know he knew a little, but how much we've no idea. There will be a public outcry for Syracuse to clean house, much like they did at Penn State. Paterno and Boeheim are legends in their own regard. People will look and say, "If Penn State did it, Syracuse should do it." and I think that's the way the powers-that-be will look at it as well. I'm not saying it's any worse, or deeper than the Penn State scandal, just that the outcry from the public will be comparable. I don't think Boeheim survives, simply because the university will try and save face.
• Azubuike24

  

  killer_ewok;989857 wrote:What's out there that makes you think he might be in deeper than Joe Pa? If Boeheim knew this was going on - he's done. There's some questionable stuff out there from the accusers and a lot of the details that I've seen make it all seem fishy but who knows. Hopefully justice is served. I'm not sure what the truth is at this point. I don't think Boeheim is stupid enough to make a statement like that if he had any inkling as to what was going on as that will surely come back to bite him in the ass in a big way.

  The situation is not as deep as the Penn State one, at least based on what has been reported. However, the relationship between Fine/Boeheim is tight. I have nothing against Boeheim either. I'd hate to see him go down with the ship here but in the grand scheme of things, I'd have no problem with selling out even my best of friends if they were doing this to children. I don't think any of us can pretend to be in his shoes but still...
• killer_ewok

  

  OhioStatePride2003;989873 wrote:Even if he doesn't really "know", he's done. No one to this day knows what Paterno really did, or didn't know. We know he knew a little, but how much we've no idea. There will be a public outcry for Syracuse to clean house, much like they did at Penn State. Paterno and Boeheim are legends in their own regard. People will look and say, "If Penn State did it, Syracuse should do it." and I think that's the way the powers-that-be will look at it as well. I'm not saying it's any worse, or deeper than the Penn State scandal, just that the outcry from the public will be comparable. I don't think Boeheim survives, simply because the university will try and save face.

  If there are fact-based reports that come out and state that Boeheim knew....I agree that he's done. However, if these accusers end up being as credible as they sound up to this point.....I don't think that he gets axed. We'll see what the investigation yields but at this point I don't think it makes sense to say that Boeheim gets canned no matter what. And I definitely think that this is different from the PSU situation based on the info out there. I mean, if you're still fucking (puke) Bernie Fine (puke) at 27 years of age.....that's not molestation. Why are you still letting Bernie bang when you're a grown damn man???? Just all seems strange.
• 2kool4skool

  

  Skyhook79;989827 wrote:I am more amazed at the lack of certain posters who filled up 58 pages on the Penn St scandal thread?
  Bernie Fine was sitting on the bench next to Boeheim up until a few weeks ago for 35 years surely he knew something.
  Maybe they are all waiting for more information... /sarcasm

  You'd think the little kids who were anally raped at Penn State would be the most butthurt people in the whole situation. But I think you might be taking the lead with your constant whining.
  
  If Fine did this, hopefully he and anyone who knew about it go down in flames.
• reclegend22

  

  Yeah, sex at 27 years old isn't molestation. It's an intimate relationship.
  
  The fact that the two guys accusing Fine are cartoon characters is what really distorts this whole situation and makes it difficult to perceive the real story. It will be incredibly interesting to say the least to see how Jimmy Boeheim, one of the great coaching icons all time in college basketball, fares in all of this. I hope he doesn't share the same fate as Joe Paterno, an American hero whose legacy was unconscionably destroyed for no good reason at all by a media and public who chose to cast stones before the whole story was able to fully unravel.
• chicago510

  

  PeteThamelNYT SU: “At the direction of Chancellor Cantor, Bernie Fine’s employment with Syracuse University has been terminated, effective immediately.” 11/27/11 7:44 PM

• chicago510

  

  Boeheim stuck his nose out for Fine, who is now fired. Trouble ahead?
  
  Not sure I still am 100% sure of the truth to any allegations, but Boeheim really put himself out there.
• OhioStatePride2003

  killer_ewok;989889 wrote:If there are fact-based reports that come out and state that Boeheim knew....I agree that he's done. However, if these accusers end up being as credible as they sound up to this point.....I don't think that he gets axed. We'll see what the investigation yields but at this point I don't think it makes sense to say that Boeheim gets canned no matter what. And I definitely think that this is different from the PSU situation based on the info out there. I mean, if you're still ****ing (puke) Bernie Fine (puke) at 27 years of age.....that's not molestation. Why are you still letting Bernie bang when you're a grown damn man???? Just all seems strange.

  I get what you're saying, but the fact that Fine has been terminated doesn't bode well in Boeheim's favor in my opinion. It proves that there is something to the story, some sort of truth. The fact that Boeheim were quick to discredit the accusers kind of made it seem like he was trying way to hard to cover-up for Fine in my opinion. Not saying that everything is true, but no matter if they're sleeping with him now or not, if he did it when they weren't legal, that's against the law.
• Midstate01

  

  I'd tried avoiding hearing that audio... But ended up hearing it. SO disturbing. Weird that even the wife was messing with this kid.
• Manhattan Buckeye

  OhioStatePride2003;990053 wrote:I get what you're saying, but the fact that Fine has been terminated doesn't bode well in Boeheim's favor in my opinion. It proves that there is something to the story, some sort of truth. The fact that Boeheim were quick to discredit the accusers kind of made it seem like he was trying way to hard to cover-up for Fine in my opinion. Not saying that everything is true, but no matter if they're sleeping with him now or not, if he did it when they weren't legal, that's against the law.

  Agreed, if nothing else Boeheim showed a lack of judgment in the wake of the PSU debacle by speaking out so quickly, publicly and viciously against the complainants. This is what turned the focus on Graham Spanier (and the comments he made were relatively light compared to Boeheim's).....we saw what happened to him.
• killer_ewok

  

  Well, I don't think that Boeheim should be fired if it's found that he did not know what was going on. If the allegations against Fine are true.....he's a POS who will get what he deserves. I'd like to hear all of the facts when the investigation concludes. If it comes out that someone told Boeheim what was going on and he did nothing.....see ya', Jimmy B. If not, he should remain the Head Coach at Syracuse IMO.
• jordo212000

  

  Boeheim might not survive this. He came out and wagged his finger and just crushed the accusers and made them out to be all about the money. He supported Fine 100% and now look at what's happening. That audio recording was a bombshell.
  
  Disturbing that Fine's wife did nothing and even worse got into the act herself.
  
  I think Boeheim chose to be aloof on this one. I'm sure deep down he knew what was going on, but chose to just turn his head.
  
  I'm with another poster though, I can't believe this story hasn't picked up a lot of speed yet.
• Manhattan Buckeye

  New statement by Coach B:
  [h=6]“The allegations that have come forth today are disturbing and deeply troubling. I am personally very shocked because I have never witnessed any of the activities that have been alleged. I believe the university took the appropriate step tonight. What is most important is that this matter be fully investigated and that anyone with information be supported to come forward so that the truth can be found. I deeply regret any statements I made that might have inhibited that from occurring or been insensitive to victims of abuse.”[/h]
  https://www.facebook.com/SyracuseOrange/posts/10150423601417276
  
  Talk about a 180 degree turn, better late than never I suppose.
• 2kool4skool

  

  If this ends up being true, Boeheim deserves to be fired just for acting like an idiot and making Syracuse look like trash in the process. You don't proclaim with certainty people that turn out to be rape victims are liars looking for money unless you have the facts.
• reclegend22

  

  As others originally said about Fine, I think Jim Boeheim is in big trouble. He straight up called these alleged victims "liars" who were telling a "thousand of lies." And now he's come out with this new statement in the complete opposite direction. As more details unfold, and especially if those details involve more victims, the university might begin to feel some pressure to deal with the seemingly blatant insensitivity of Boeheim with regard to victims of sexual abuse.
  
  It's too bad. This and the Paterno situation at Penn State. There's just no sense in two otherwise incredible careers being tarnished in such a way (if Boeheim does in fact end up fired over the incident). Paterno was unjustly dismissed amidst rash media judgement and a disastrously incompetent institution in Penn State that was simply trying to save face. I hope that Boeheim, if he didn't in fact know about Fine's alleged crimes, is given a fair assessment before any swift decisions are made concerning his future as head coach in Syracuse.
• jordo212000

  

  when somebody is the victim of a sex crime, we urge them to come forward and get support and help. We try to be supportive and understanding because it is never an easy thing to do. Boeheim came out and did the exact opposite. He just blistered the accusers and called them liars. Behavior like this is why people are afraid to come forward
• Mulva

  

  Well, the guy claimed Boeheim saw him in Fine's hotel room. Boeheim said he didn't. If he didn't, that would have been one lie Boeheim could confirm right there, and I could understand why he came out so strongly against the accusations. Especially when Syracuse investigated in 2005 and not 1 person corroborated the claims. You can defend the accused without attacking the accusers though, so still not smart on his part.
  
  I'm interested in what the feds searched his house for. They'd need to convince a judge that they had good reason to believe specific evidence would be found to get a warrant signed, no? I don't think 10 year old accusations would cut it.
• Skyhook79

  

  Third person now says he was victim of Bernie Fine.
  
  
  http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/national_world&id=8446307
• Skyhook79

  

  Mulva;990493 wrote: Especially when Syracuse investigated in 2005 and not 1 person corroborated the claims.

  
  ESPN had the taped conversation in 2003 I think that would have been corroboration. Interesting it took ESPN 8 years to release the tape.
• Mulva

  

  Skyhook79;990516 wrote:ESPN had the taped conversation in 2003 I think that would have been corroboration. Interesting it took ESPN 8 years to release the tape.

  Well ESPN also said they didn't release the tape because nobody else corroborated the claims.
  
  The whole story is confusing as hell. Too worried to tell Fine to stop molesting him until he turned 27, not too worried to fuck Fine's wife and then tell him about it when he's 18?
• reclegend22

  

  jordo212000 wrote: Boeheim came out and did the exact opposite. He just blistered the accusers and called them liars. Behavior like this is why people are afraid to come forward

  I did that on this thread as well, posting a YouTube link to the opening theme song for The Apprentice. Fortunately for me, this is an anonymous message board for sports chat.
  
  I think Jimmy Boeheim might be out at Syracuse by the end of the week. That might seem quick, but, on CuseNation.com, they're already discussing the coaching search.
  
  With this story, though, who knows what will surface next.
• killer_ewok

  

  Mulva;990545 wrote:Well ESPN also said they didn't release the tape because nobody else corroborated the claims.
  
  The whole story is confusing as hell. Too worried to tell Fine to stop molesting him until he turned 27, not too worried to fuck Fine's wife and then tell him about it when he's 18?

  
  +1
  
  It just seems strange. Watched an OTL interview with the one accuser (Bobby Davis). Dude just doesn't seem wired right.
  
  I still think that if Boeheim had no knowledge of what was going on...he should be safe. His comments last week were insensitive but I don't think that he should be fired for them. His statement today was remorseful.