10/27

• SportsAndLady

  

  Tobias Fünke;951734 wrote:Oh, clever.

  tobias you sound like a pretty cool person, but if you're trying to tell me I can't think the Sullivan family was paid under the table to hush up because there is no proof of it...then idk what to tell ya man.
  
  I'm gonna point out the fallacy of your argument if that's what you keep saying.
  
  "Because we've never encountered alien species, they must not exist" right?
• Tobias Fünke

  

  Well at least with aliens you can do some mathematical calculations and say it is highly unlikely that we are alone. It is also incompatible because this isn't the absence of overall evidence, this is a conspiracy theory. We have on side saying that they were not paid by the university at all. Sleeper is choosing to ignore that and draw his own conclusions (which, for the record, he has every right to do just as I have every right to prove him wrong every time).
  
  In this case, you have a woman/man whose seemingly sole purpose on this site is to rip on Notre Dame. So he makes a claim, which has ZERO proof, and we are expected to give it equal weight in our considerations. The kicker here is that he cannot even give me a reason for the Sullivan's to remain quiet. They didn't need to make a settlement with Notre Dame, Notre Dame had already assumed full responsibility and is worth billions.
  
  I am simply sick and tired of the untrue statements and assumptions made on this thread. Shit needs to be cleared up. Just as I believe writerbuckeye jumped down on me for the NCAA infractions over the summer and providing evidence to my inaccurate statements, I am simply doing that here.
  
  There are 4.9 million Google hits for "Notre Dame Sullivan Settlement." None of them mention the family being paid.
  
  There is, however, this story:
  

  Father of Notre Dame student who died says family never considered suing
  
  Parents of Declan Sullivan, who fell to his death last year from an aerial lift, say they never considered suing university or received a financial settlement from the school
  
  October 27, 2011|By Stacy St. Clair, Chicago Tribune reporter
  
  
  
  Barry Sullivan knows the death of his son Declan could have been prevented. He knows bad decisions were made and the best safety practices weren't followed. He knows his oldest child never should have been filming a University of Notre Dame football practice from an elevated scissor lift amid a severe wind warning.
  
  
  And he knows that no lawsuit, finger-pointing or public outrage can change any of it.
  
  
  In his first extensive interview since his son's death a year ago, Barry Sullivan told the Tribune that his family was never interested in suing the university and has not received a financial settlement from the school. He does not blame the storied college football program for the accident, either.
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  Rather than allow their grief to manifest itself as anger or legal vengeance, he and his wife, Alison, have devoted the last 12 months to making sure something beneficial comes from their very public tragedy.
  
  
  "It was not our first impulse to go out and hire a lawyer. That's not the way we're wired," Barry Sullivan said. "We never really felt a reason to pursue any kind of legal action. Why would you do that? ... We didn't want to take resources and energy away from other positive things that might happen by tying up people with lawsuits and other actions."
  
  
  Declan Sullivan, a 20-year-old business major from suburban Long Grove, was working for the school's athletic department when he went up in a lift to record football practice on Oct. 27, 2010. Though he expressed concerns on social media about the severe wind advisory that day, the team's staff said it was unaware of any warnings.
  
  
  As gusts reached 53 mph during practice, Sullivan's lift crashed through a fence and landed on a street.
  
  The Indiana Occupational Safety & Health Administration fined the university $42,000 for safety violations stemming from the accident.
  Forbes.com last year estimated it could cost the university $30 million if Sullivan's parents sued. The mere suggestion seemed unfair to Declan's father.
  
  
  The family — whose ties to the campus and its sister school, St. Mary's College, go back several decades — witnessed how much his death distressed the Notre Dame community and had no desire to compound that grief with a lawsuit or public criticism, Barry Sullivan said.
  
  
  A week after the accident, the university's president, the Rev. John I. Jenkins, sent a letter to students and alumni, expressing his sorrow and accepting personal responsibility for the accident. "Declan Sullivan was entrusted to our care, and we failed to keep him safe," Jenkins wrote.
  The letter's sentiment set the tone for Declan's parents' dealings with the university, Sullivan said.
  
  
  "We saw people that were obviously suffering," he said. "They felt a great sense of responsibility for what happened. How could we add to their pain with displays of anger or anything like that?"
  
  
  The family also worried that any public comments would interfere with the university's internal investigation, Barry Sullivan said. If the examination was compromised, an opportunity to learn from the mistakes surrounding Declan's death could be lost forever.
  
  
  The university's investigation found "no one acted in disregard for safety" the day of the accident. Rather, a "sudden and extraordinary" wind and long-standing policies led to Sullivan's death, officials said.
  
  
  According to the report, the football program's policy was to keep the videographers off the hydraulic lifts if the winds reached more than 35 mph. The weather data accessed by the staff never crossed that threshold, officials said.
  
  
  
  
  In keeping with international standards, the lift industry typically recommends grounding the equipment when winds exceed 28 mph.
  Computer forensics showed no one on the staff clicked on a wind advisory icon that warned of possible winds exceeding 50 mph.
  
  Declan, however, seemed to be aware of it.
  
  
  "Gusts of wind up to 60 mph today will be fun at work ... I guess I've lived long enough," he wrote on Twitter shortly before practice.
  
  While on the lift, he tweeted again. "Holy (expletive). Holy (expletive) this is terrifying," he wrote.
  
  
  Barry Sullivan said his son, who had a tendency to be dramatic, was not meek and would have lowered his lift if he thought he was in danger.
  He does not dwell on whether the coaching staff should have done more to keep his child safe.
  
  
  "I really don't want to be second-guessing what anyone did on that day," he said. "You can't change what happened. Thinking about it that way can only frustrate you."
  
  
  Brian Kelly, Notre Dame's head football coach, told reporters this week that he still grapples with Sullivan's death, but he has never tried to assess blame.
  
  
  "Blame is not a word that we feel is appropriate," Kelly said. "We never thought in those terms. We thought in terms of loss and making sure something like this never happens again."

• bigkahuna

  I think the bigger issue here is that the mods allowed this BS to go on for 5 pages. The basement is littered with ND 0-2 nonsense and what not, but this can stay at the top of the page.
  
  Not to mention, there was a nice I don't know how many pages of a thread about this already with the exact same statements being made by everyone. It's just pathetic that people have to troll to this level.
• vball10set

  bigkahuna;951760 wrote:I think the bigger issue here is that the mods allowed this BS to go on for 5 pages. The basement is littered with ND 0-2 nonsense and what not, but this can stay at the top of the page.
  
  Not to mention, there was a nice I don't know how many pages of a thread about this already with the exact same statements being made by everyone. It's just pathetic that people have to troll to this level.

  gotta' rep you on this, kahuna, it IS pathetic
• SportsAndLady

  

  Who is trolling? lmao
  
  Saying we think the family got paid under the table (sorry, google saying it didn't happen doesn't mean it didn't happen) is trolling? It's our opinion. We don't have to back it up with any "facts". That's the whole fucking point of paying the family under the table; no one will find out.
  
  Cripes.
  
  If you disagree with us, fine. But don't act like we're (minus maybe sleeper lol) trying to just piss off ND fans.
• WebFire

  SportsAndLady;951740 wrote:tobias you sound like a pretty cool person, but if you're trying to tell me I can't think the Sullivan family was paid under the table to hush up because there is no proof of it...then idk what to tell ya man.
  
  I'm gonna point out the fallacy of your argument if that's what you keep saying.
  
  "Because we've never encountered alien species, they must not exist" right?

  I think the problem started with sleeper telling him to prove that the Sullivan's didn't get paid. I think that is absurd as well. You want someone to prove against an opinion?
• Rotinaj

  

  S&L you may not be trolling but use some common sense here and look at the person who started the thread. Sleepers only purpose on here is 2 annoy the shit out of people and he will say absolutely anything 2 do it.
• bigkahuna

  SportsAndLady;951817 wrote:Who is trolling? lmao
  
  Saying we think the family got paid under the table (sorry, google saying it didn't happen doesn't mean it didn't happen) is trolling? It's our opinion. We don't have to back it up with any "facts". That's the whole ****ing point of paying the family under the table; no one will find out.
  
  Cripes.
  
  If you disagree with us, fine. But don't act like we're (minus maybe sleeper lol) trying to just piss off ND fans.

  You serious right now McFly?
  
  Read through the pages. The fact that you're feeding the fire (sleeper) is proof that you're trolling. See that's my opinion.
• DeyDurkie5

  

  lol at tobias actually getting pissed off. "but sleeper made me mad, wahhhhhhhh"
• SportsAndLady

  

  Tobias Fünke;951757 wrote:Well at least with aliens you can do some mathematical calculations and say it is highly unlikely that we are alone. It is also incompatible because this isn't the absence of overall evidence, this is a conspiracy theory. We have on side saying that they were not paid by the university at all. Sleeper is choosing to ignore that and draw his own conclusions (which, for the record, he has every right to do just as I have every right to prove him wrong every time).
  
  In this case, you have a woman/man whose seemingly sole purpose on this site is to rip on Notre Dame. So he makes a claim, which has ZERO proof, and we are expected to give it equal weight in our considerations. The kicker here is that he cannot even give me a reason for the Sullivan's to remain quiet. They didn't need to make a settlement with Notre Dame, Notre Dame had already assumed full responsibility and is worth billions.
  
  I am simply sick and tired of the untrue statements and assumptions made on this thread. **** needs to be cleared up. Just as I believe writerbuckeye jumped down on me for the NCAA infractions over the summer and providing evidence to my inaccurate statements, I am simply doing that here.
  
  There are 4.9 million Google hits for "Notre Dame Sullivan Settlement." None of them mention the family being paid.
  
  There is, however, this story:

  What do any of those comments have to do with my judgments on the situation? None. That's the point you're missing. Of course the parents are going to say they don't want to sue; why would you say you want to sue, when you're already being paid under the table? Especially considering they were probably paid to keep quiet.
• SportsAndLady

  

  WebFire;951854 wrote:I think the problem started with sleeper telling him to prove that the Sullivan's didn't get paid. I think that is absurd as well. You want someone to prove against an opinion?

  Wait, what? The Sullivan's getting paid or not getting paid is opinion?
• SportsAndLady

  

  Rotinaj;951858 wrote:S&L you may not be trolling but use some common sense here and look at the person who started the thread. Sleepers only purpose on here is 2 annoy the **** out of people and he will say absolutely anything 2 do it.

  I have nothing to do with what Sleeper is saying...it's not like I'm quoting everything he says and +1'ing it. I've had my opinion on this situation from Day 1. Sleeper's opinion is independent of mine.
• SportsAndLady

  

  bigkahuna;951906 wrote:You serious right now McFly?
  
  Read through the pages. The fact that you're feeding the fire (sleeper) is proof that you're trolling. See that's my opinion.

  "You serious right now McFly?" You're a fucking loser, who says that shit?
  
  I'm not feeding the fire; sensitive Domers are saying "hmmm, S&L's opinion seems dangerously close to what sleeper is saying...sleeper is a troll, therefore S&L must be trolling, too" It's stupid.
• WebFire

  SportsAndLady;952060 wrote:Wait, what? The Sullivan's getting paid or not getting paid is opinion?

  Getting paid, technically. It is unfounded.
• Tobias Fünke

  

  I don't think S&L is trolling. Not at all.
• vball10set

  Tobias Fünke;952396 wrote:I don't think S&L is trolling. Not at all.

  I agree...he's just being S&L. I don't think anybody's trolling on here, it's just that this is a sensitive subject that invites many an opinion, and it's Notre Dame...'nuff said.
• sleeper

  

  http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/12624157/notre-dame-logic?page=1
• Tobias Fünke

  

  vball10set;952476 wrote:I agree...he's just being S&L. I don't think anybody's trolling on here, it's just that this is a sensitive subject that invites many an opinion, and it's Notre Dame...'nuff said.

  sleeper is a troll and a half and a genuine piece of shit.
• SportsAndLady

  

  vball10set;952476 wrote:I agree...he's just being S&L.

  ??
  
  What does that even mean?
• Tobias Fünke

  

  haha I wondered too
• bigkahuna

  Tobias Fünke;952396 wrote:I don't think S&L is trolling. Not at all.

  I wasn't even talking about S&L when I posted that.
• vball10set

  Tobias Fünke;952515 wrote:sleeper is a troll and a half and a genuine piece of ****.

  can't argue with that
• bigkahuna

  sleeper;947995 wrote:No, because any other school would have fired their coach and AD for being incompetent and murdering an innocent child.

  Tiernan;948420 wrote:Repulsive and repugnant attempt to steer the conversation away from a true tragedy that could have been prevented or at least partly vindicated by the U of ND accepting full responsibility and firing its murderous coach.

  sleeper;949191 wrote:Doesn't have to be pre-meditated to be murder.

  superman;950511 wrote:Just remember, Notre Dame is a a part of the largest and most advanced organization in the world when it comes to covering up harm done to young men by male authority figures. When they pay hush money, they know what they are doing.

  2kool4skool;950603 wrote:Good point. Catholics have a strong recent history of dodging responsibility for crimes committed against young boys.
  
  Notre Dame: Molesting children, manslaughter, that's fine. But don't you DARE lose football games!

  
  I would consider these "troll esque" type posts.
• vball10set

  Tobias Fünke;952396 wrote:I don't think S&L is trolling. Not at all.

  bigkahuna;952541 wrote:I wasn't even talking about sleeper when I posted that.

  I believe he meant sportsandlady
• vball10set

  kahuna, I stand corrected..I guess I was trying to give most of these guys the benefit of the doubt, but you made me see the light...FUCKING TROLLS!!!!