NCAA having a 2nd investigation on OSU?
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Writerbuckeye
pmoney25;858178 wrote:Ive heard that after the NCAA meets with OSU. Espn is going straight to DC to get The White house and congress to start a committee to look into OSU and put the economic collapse on the side because ESPN bringing down OSU is that important to them.
Ill make this simple, For the past 10 years OSU(Tressell, Fans, The University) has put itself on a pedestal that it was above all this nonsense. And when you put yourself out there that you have Integrity, Morals..etc and when you get caught not living up to the image you have portrayed people will come after you. See Tiger Woods. When you already have a reputation of being a bit shady or bend the rules(SEC football) its not that big a deal. If John Daly would have had Mistresses coming out of the woodwork it would have been a story for about a week.
ESPN, Yahoo, Dispatch etc.. Are not out to "GET" Ohio State.
Such a load of bullshit.
OSU, its fans, Tressel, etc. never claimed to be perfect or above anyone else. What JT did do was talk about what is important and how you should try and live as moral a life as possible. However, being a Christian, he understood that when humans are involved, people fail to do the right thing all the time -- including himself.
The media and some people didn't take it that way. They saw hubris and only hubris. But if you talk to the players that JT has helped through the years, they'll tell you that hubris was NOT what JT is about and never was.
The media HATE someone who talks about morality and doing the right thing. They only see hypocrites because they assume everyone is flawed. Well, everyone IS flawed, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't talk about trying to live life the best way possible.
There is an element of vendetta to this, because of how media behave (I know, I used to be one of them) and I also think part of this (all the commentators calling for OSU to get the death penalty) is motivated by economics, the success of the BTN and future contracts that may come into play.
However, to say ESPN isn't out to get OSU is simply false. They've proven they are simply by treating Ohio State far, far differently than they've treated any other university that has gotten into serious trouble. They're the only media that has done this, by the way. The others have investigated and run stories, but they haven't been on their soapboxes 24-7 urging the NCAA to drop a bomb on OSU.
It's a significant difference and one that hasn't been displayed toward any other university, including USC which broke major rules (31 in all) in two major sports and then thumbed its nose at the NCAA and anyone who dared question their integrity. All of that and they were almost completely ignored by ESPN from the time the first story broke about Bush and his family.
It's hard to believe ESPN doesn't have some kind of agenda going, when their actions keep screaming otherwise. -
Hb31187
pmoney25;858178 wrote:Ive heard that after the NCAA meets with OSU. Espn is going straight to DC to get The White house and congress to start a committee to look into OSU and put the economic collapse on the side because ESPN bringing down OSU is that important to them.
Ill make this simple, For the past 10 years OSU(Tressell, Fans, The University) has put itself on a pedestal that it was above all this nonsense. And when you put yourself out there that you have Integrity, Morals..etc and when you get caught not living up to the image you have portrayed people will come after you. See Tiger Woods. When you already have a reputation of being a bit shady or bend the rules(SEC football) its not that big a deal. If John Daly would have had Mistresses coming out of the woodwork it would have been a story for about a week.
ESPN, Yahoo, Dispatch etc.. Are not out to "GET" Ohio State.
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j_crazy
pmoney25;858178 wrote:Ive heard that after the NCAA meets with OSU. Espn is going straight to DC to get The White house and congress to start a committee to look into OSU and put the economic collapse on the side because ESPN bringing down OSU is that important to them.
Ill make this simple, For the past 10 years OSU(Tressell, Fans, The University) has put itself on a pedestal that it was above all this nonsense. And when you put yourself out there that you have Integrity, Morals..etc and when you get caught not living up to the image you have portrayed people will come after you. See Tiger Woods. When you already have a reputation of being a bit shady or bend the rules(SEC football) its not that big a deal. If John Daly would have had Mistresses coming out of the woodwork it would have been a story for about a week.
ESPN, Yahoo, Dispatch etc.. Are not out to "GET" Ohio State.
Lulz if 1 iota of this is true, ESPN is dead to me. -
NNN
darbypitcher22;857868 wrote:why send a letter when OSU is going to be in Indy on Friday? Why not just tell Gene Smith and everyone else that they're still rooting around on Friday?
To save $2.35 on a certified letter by handing it over physically rather than mailing it.
sleeper;858180 wrote:We hear nothing about Boise, we hear nothing about Georgia Tech, we see one article about LSU/Oregon/Auburn...
And we hear this about OSU? LOL.
Because none of those have what OSU has. Namely:
1) A coach with a carefully self-crafted image of piety
2) An extremely large and unbelievably obnoxious fan base
3) A hell of a lot going on that goes way beyond normal NCAA investigations, and has for a number of years
4) The unwillingness to clean house
Want to talk about Georgia Tech? Fine. They have a coach who had extraordinary success at Georgia Southern, Hawaii, and Navy, all without a trace of an NCAA investigation. Georgia Tech had someone who was declared retroactively ineligible for three games because he'd met with university officials prior to meeting with the NCAA. That's it. There's no evidence that Paul Johnson was aware of the severity of the allegations made, and certainly not that he was aware of what basically amounted to obstruction of an NCAA investigation by athletic department officials. Oh, and said officials were purged.
I'd say that's a pretty far cry from a head coach who has had three major scandals in the last 20 years, isn't it? Johnson has never had a Ray Isaac, a Maurice Clarett, or a Terrelle Pryor. -
karen lotz
myguythetorg the torghearing that a nw ohio memorabilia dealer is behind the latest problems with #osu
Apparently Michigan might be under some scrutiny as well, not sure if its related to the same store or not. There are a few Buckeye-Wolverine shops in NWO.
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karen lotz
sleeper;858180 wrote:We hear nothing about Boise
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/6851715/gene-bleymaier-boise-state-athletic-director-fired-ncaa-investigation -
bradmaynard
Even as an ND fan I feel for OSU right now. Its amazing how 180,000 dollars associated with a known problem player can be swept under the rug so quickly prior to a national title game. -
NNN
bradmaynard;858378 wrote:Even as an ND fan I feel for OSU right now. Its amazing how 180,000 dollars associated with a known problem player can be swept under the rug so quickly prior to a national title game.
We must have been listening to some very different coverage, because that was pretty much all I heard from the SEC championship game up through kickoff of the championship game. Besides that, the NCAA investigated and found nothing that would warrant a declaration of ineligibility. It's possible that they will end up finding something, but the initial investigations turned up nothing. -
dwccrew
NNN;858385 wrote:We must have been listening to some very different coverage, because that was pretty much all I heard from the SEC championship game up through kickoff of the championship game. Besides that, the NCAA investigated and found nothing that would warrant a declaration of ineligibility. It's possible that they will end up finding something, but the initial investigations turned up nothing.
That's because they barely investigated! Cam Newton says he wasn't aware of what his dad was doing and the NCAA says "good enough for us, nothing to see here." Ridiculous. Sure, it got some media attention, but not nearly what Ohio State has been getting since before the bowl games.
And what effected the outcome more, players selling their own items or a player getting 200k to win a national title? -
enigmaaxdwccrew;858387 wrote:That's because they barely investigated! Cam Newton says he wasn't aware of what his dad was doing and the NCAA says "good enough for us, nothing to see here." Ridiculous. Sure, it got some media attention, but not nearly what Ohio State has been getting since before the bowl games.
And what effected the outcome more, players selling their own items or a player getting 200k to win a national title?
Wasn't there recently a revelation that Auburn is still being investigated by the NCAA? The 180/200k didn't have anything to do with Auburn at the time. As easy as it is to say, "well they tried to get X amount out of Mississippi State, so Auburn must've been the highest bidder," it isn't really that simple.
Both Auburn and OSU had the benefit of the NCAA clearly not wanting to screw with its bowl season last year. We know OSU's trouble isn't over and it is likely there's more to come with Auburn at some point, as well. -
NNN
dwccrew;858387 wrote:That's because they barely investigated! Cam Newton says he wasn't aware of what his dad was doing and the NCAA says "good enough for us, nothing to see here." Ridiculous. Sure, it got some media attention, but not nearly what Ohio State has been getting since before the bowl games.
And what effected the outcome more, players selling their own items or a player getting 200k to win a national title?
To your first point, I don't think that's true. Besides that, what's more notable: an SEC school being looked at, or the choirboy and his obnoxious mouth-breathing lemmings possibly getting their asses handed to them? Hell, OSU's only had the Maurice Clarett thing, plus Troy Smith taking cash from a booster, plus this. That goes back 8 years, not less than 8 months.
Second, you're making the statement that money changed hands from someone affiliated with Auburn to someone affiliated with Newton and also completely downplaying the seriousness of selling memorabilia. Sale of items is prohibited because, in the absence of such a prohibition, the university would then begin issuing all sorts of items to players on a regular basis, knowing that they would be sold for cash and thus act as payment. It's fundamentally no different than Upper Deck, who, rather than issue Christmas bonuses back in the day, fired up the presses and handed out stacks of Ken Griffey Jr rookie cards to their employees.
Newton's declaration of eligibility was based on two simple things:
1) His father asked for cash. Not Cam, his father. This ties directly into point #2.
2) No money was found to have changed hands. The whole idea of "family asking is the same as the kid asking" is based on the fact that, in pretty much every case where a family member asking has been found, something tangible has been provided.
Let's theorize for a second that it becomes ironclad that "family is the same as the player, period". Player A commits to State U, and calls State A&M's head coach to inform him of this. State U's coach resigns a week later to take an NFL job. A&M's coach, being diligent, calls Player A's father since Player A is in school, and asks if he's reconsidering his commitment. Father A says, "Not for a million bucks." A&M's coach, believing this to be a request for illicit booster money in excess of a million dollars to be provided, calls the NCAA to have Player A declared ineligible on the basis of his father having asked for money or else having made a statement that he has received money.
And if you think that's farfetched, then you simply don't know recruiting and how incredibly political and dirty it really is. -
LJ
karen lotz;858344 wrote:myguythetorg the torg
Apparently Michigan might be under some scrutiny as well, not sure if its related to the same store or not. There are a few Buckeye-Wolverine shops in NWO.
Torg is an extremely unreliable source. It's a shame that one of the last widely listened to radio guys in Columbus relies on bad sources and sensationalism.
"Listen to my show for BREAKING news tomorrow!!!!1"
"TP is doing a show with Gruden, and ESPN hasn't left town!!!!!!!"
Gee stated to the Dispatch that the letter was about procedure for Friday. -
Mortgagestar1There is a reason why the NCAA is still investigating. The Great Tyrel Pryor everyone was worshiping and the ever ethical Mr. Sweater Vest himself have brought O.S.U. Football to Coach Cooper prominence.
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/campusrivalry/post/2011/08/ohio-state-jim-tressel-ncaa-investigation-800000/1 -
thedynasty1998
Anyone hear anything new regarding ESPN's lawsuit against OSU for more emails? -
se-alum
LOL.....NNN;858402 wrote:To your first point, I don't think that's true. Besides that, what's more notable: an SEC school being looked at, or the choirboy and his obnoxious mouth-breathing lemmings possibly getting their asses handed to them? Hell, OSU's only had the Maurice Clarett thing, plus Troy Smith taking cash from a booster, plus this. That goes back 8 years, not less than 8 months.
Second, you're making the statement that money changed hands from someone affiliated with Auburn to someone affiliated with Newton and also completely downplaying the seriousness of selling memorabilia. Sale of items is prohibited because, in the absence of such a prohibition, the university would then begin issuing all sorts of items to players on a regular basis, knowing that they would be sold for cash and thus act as payment. It's fundamentally no different than Upper Deck, who, rather than issue Christmas bonuses back in the day, fired up the presses and handed out stacks of Ken Griffey Jr rookie cards to their employees.
Newton's declaration of eligibility was based on two simple things:
1) His father asked for cash. Not Cam, his father. This ties directly into point #2.
2) No money was found to have changed hands. The whole idea of "family asking is the same as the kid asking" is based on the fact that, in pretty much every case where a family member asking has been found, something tangible has been provided.
Let's theorize for a second that it becomes ironclad that "family is the same as the player, period". Player A commits to State U, and calls State A&M's head coach to inform him of this. State U's coach resigns a week later to take an NFL job. A&M's coach, being diligent, calls Player A's father since Player A is in school, and asks if he's reconsidering his commitment. Father A says, "Not for a million bucks." A&M's coach, believing this to be a request for illicit booster money in excess of a million dollars to be provided, calls the NCAA to have Player A declared ineligible on the basis of his father having asked for money or else having made a statement that he has received money.
And if you think that's farfetched, then you simply don't know recruiting and how incredibly political and dirty it really is. -
darbypitcher22
so what's the latest with this new memorabilia store? -
WebFireLJ;858434 wrote:Torg is an extremely unreliable source. It's a shame that one of the last widely listened to radio guys in Columbus relies on bad sources and sensationalism.
"Listen to my show for BREAKING news tomorrow!!!!1"
"TP is doing a show with Gruden, and ESPN hasn't left town!!!!!!!"
Gee stated to the Dispatch that the letter was about procedure for Friday.
Yeah, "The Turg" is not worrying any Michigan fans. -
krambman
Generally I think the idea that ESPN has an ax to grind or is out to get OSU is pretty ridiculous. OSU is televised more on ESPN than any other school, and if they really had it out for us, then they wouldn't spend so much airtime on the Buckeyes. They cover us so much because we have the largest alumni base and one of the largest fan bases in the country, and that fan base is rabid about out team. Living in Columbus and posting on Ohio-based boards, it's difficult to tell if ESPN really does report more dirt on OSU stories than on other stories, or if it just seems that way since we are so close to the situation (kind of like when your wife gets pregnant, it looks like everyone is pregnant, simply because you're more aware of it). I'd be interested to get the take of a non-Buckeye fan from another part of the country who can give a more objective opinion as to ESPN's treatment of OSU compared to other schools that have come under scrutiny (unfortunately, if they post here, they aren't unbiased).
All that being said, I was disappointing with ESPN this morning. Even though multiple sources, including Ohio State itself, have come out and denied the Pat Forde report, this morning on SportsCenter they said that "The NCAA is investigating more issues involving the football program. Sources told ESPN's Pat Forde that the university received a letter indicating an ongoing investigation that could result in more allegations." There was no mention of the denial of the existence of such a letter by the university or other sources, or that Pat Forde is the only one reporting this. I also didn't like that fact they said OSU is being investigated, not that it's been reported OSU is being investigated. I understand that Pat Forde is their guy, but I'm pretty sure that he's wrong on this. If the NCAA is still investigating, wouldn't they move the hearing back? -
enigmaax
The primary quote that I've read in different places coming from Ohio State doesn't really deny that the NCAA is still investigating. It addresses that OSU has not received any new "allegations", which is a specific term used by the NCAA when they have completed their investigation. The original report said the investigation could lead to new allegations, which means that OSU's statement doesn't contradict the original report.krambman;858540 wrote:All that being said, I was disappointing with ESPN this morning. Even though multiple sources, including Ohio State itself, have come out and denied the Pat Forde report, this morning on SportsCenter they said that "The NCAA is investigating more issues involving the football program. Sources told ESPN's Pat Forde that the university received a letter indicating an ongoing investigation that could result in more allegations." There was no mention of the denial of the existence of such a letter by the university or other sources, or that Pat Forde is the only one reporting this. I also didn't like that fact they said OSU is being investigated, not that it's been reported OSU is being investigated. I understand that Pat Forde is their guy, but I'm pretty sure that he's wrong on this. If the NCAA is still investigating, wouldn't they move the hearing back?
The other part of the OSU "denial" that has been prominent is that OSU doesn't anticipate discussing "any additional allegations...on Friday". Again, the Forde report did not indicate otherwise. If OSU denied that there is an ongoing investigation - different from "allegations" - I missed it.
What I wondered, though, when the NCAA previously stated that there would be no LOIC was how they so quickly investigated some of the reports. Specifically, the golf/Talbott deal. The ESPN report could be wrong, but to me, it is much more believable that the NCAA made the decision to address the first issue (Tressel) as scheduled and take their time on the other information (Pryor's autographs, golf) as opposed to seeing 37 different reports which the NCAA looked into for 5 minutes and dismissed completely. -
darbypitcher22
krambman;858540 wrote:Generally I think the idea that ESPN has an ax to grind or is out to get OSU is pretty ridiculous. OSU is televised more on ESPN than any other school, and if they really had it out for us, then they wouldn't spend so much airtime on the Buckeyes. They cover us so much because we have the largest alumni base and one of the largest fan bases in the country, and that fan base is rabid about out team. Living in Columbus and posting on Ohio-based boards, it's difficult to tell if ESPN really does report more dirt on OSU stories than on other stories, or if it just seems that way since we are so close to the situation (kind of like when your wife gets pregnant, it looks like everyone is pregnant, simply because you're more aware of it). I'd be interested to get the take of a non-Buckeye fan from another part of the country who can give a more objective opinion as to ESPN's treatment of OSU compared to other schools that have come under scrutiny (unfortunately, if they post here, they aren't unbiased).
All that being said, I was disappointing with ESPN this morning. Even though multiple sources, including Ohio State itself, have come out and denied the Pat Forde report, this morning on SportsCenter they said that "The NCAA is investigating more issues involving the football program. Sources told ESPN's Pat Forde that the university received a letter indicating an ongoing investigation that could result in more allegations." There was no mention of the denial of the existence of such a letter by the university or other sources, or that Pat Forde is the only one reporting this. I also didn't like that fact they said OSU is being investigated, not that it's been reported OSU is being investigated. I understand that Pat Forde is their guy, but I'm pretty sure that he's wrong on this. If the NCAA is still investigating, wouldn't they move the hearing back?
This. Somehow still investigating got confused with investigating more issues... -
LJ
WebFire;858497 wrote:Yeah, "The Turg" is not worrying any Michigan fans.
Let's not mention the time he said he was gonna drop some ground breaking news and I tweeted him afterwards asking "that's it?" and he replied "Just another idiot homer fan" -
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Writerbuckeye
enigmaax;858555 wrote:The primary quote that I've read in different places coming from Ohio State doesn't really deny that the NCAA is still investigating. It addresses that OSU has not received any new "allegations", which is a specific term used by the NCAA when they have completed their investigation. The original report said the investigation could lead to new allegations, which means that OSU's statement doesn't contradict the original report.
The other part of the OSU "denial" that has been prominent is that OSU doesn't anticipate discussing "any additional allegations...on Friday". Again, the Forde report did not indicate otherwise. If OSU denied that there is an ongoing investigation - different from "allegations" - I missed it.
What I wondered, though, when the NCAA previously stated that there would be no LOIC was how they so quickly investigated some of the reports. Specifically, the golf/Talbott deal. The ESPN report could be wrong, but to me, it is much more believable that the NCAA made the decision to address the first issue (Tressel) as scheduled and take their time on the other information (Pryor's autographs, golf) as opposed to seeing 37 different reports which the NCAA looked into for 5 minutes and dismissed completely.
OSU very clearly says the ESPN report (which covers all you've said above) is WRONG.
Either OSU is lying or ESPN is lying.
If OSU is lying, then there's a number of people who should immediately lose their jobs, including Smith.
I have a hard time believing they would so clearly say the ESPN report is wrong if they did not have certainty that this is the case. -
sleeper
I meant before Boise's punishment(which is worse than OSU's). And obviously losing your AD is something newsworthy. -
Y-Town Steelhound
OSU has denied that the "new letter" says anything about ongoing investigations. OSU has reported that the letter they received dealt with procedures for Friday's hearing and DO NOT have anything regarding new allegations or a new investigation. For ESPN to sit there and ignore OSU's statement is ridiculous journalism. Even other sources (like the Dispatch) have said that Forde's report is WRONG.