Did The Oregon Ducks Just Get Caught..................

• Prescott

  Paying Recruits?
  
  http://www.businessinsider.com/oregon-football-paid-25k-for-shoddy-scouting-booklet-are-they-the-next-powerhouse-to-fall-2011-6
  
  
  The NCAA should be taking applications for investigators.
• jhay78

  

  Prescott;809982 wrote:Paying Recruits?
  
  http://www.businessinsider.com/oregon-football-paid-25k-for-shoddy-scouting-booklet-are-they-the-next-powerhouse-to-fall-2011-6
  
  
  The NCAA should be taking applications for investigators.

  I can think of about 3 or 4 on this site who have impressive resumes investigating OSU's troubles . . .
  
  I think Colin Cowherd mentioned this a few weeks ago- in the world of NCAA violations/infractions, paying recruits goes waaaay beyond the benefits received by OSU's players and even Reggie Bush for that matter. In the latter two cases, players got hooked up without knowledge of the universities/coaching staffs/athletic departments (at least it appears that way), and received the benefits after signing, enrolling, and playing for their respective schools. No other schools are affected by those violations.
  
  Recruiting violations in the form of payments to recruits goes way beyond that because it affects other schools negatively. If it's proven Oregon did that, then USC's and Ohio State's eventual punishments should look like mild slaps on the wrist.
• stroups

  

  There might be some schools shitting their pants with this guy
  
  http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/

  Of the University of Texas football program Lyles said, “they thought they lost out on kids [because of Lyles]” and that “Lache Seastrunk [of Temple, Texas] is the kid that was in question about Oregon.”
  Here’s an excerpt of the exchange between Lyles and Shelton on KCOH-AM (1430) on June 19, 2011:
  Lyles: I felt that it [media campaign to discredit Lyles] was brought about in a very meticulous manner and it was very well staged and set up.
  Shelton: Staged and set up by whom?
  Lyles: By the University of Texas.
  Shelton: Why?
  Lyles: Because they did not want to see me in recruiting. First off, they thought they lost out on kids ..
  Shelton: [Interrupts Lyles] Give me a name, give me a kid ..
  Lyles: Lache Seastrunk is the kid that was in question about Oregon. They’re [University of Texas] trying to say basically that the kid signed there because I got paid $25,000 [by Oregon, so] I persuaded the kid to sign there.
  Shelton: So this is the problem about the $25,000?
  Lyles: Right. That’s the problem about the $25,000. They [Texas] are trying to say that basically I influenced that kid to go to that university.
  Shelton: Do you think there are any scouting services that have ever been paid to influence a kid to go to Texas?
  Lyles: I guarantee there’s been high school coaches who have. I don’t know about scouting services. I know they deal with a few scouting services themselves. They actually used to be a client of mine when I was with MSLSports.net in 2007.
  And when I didn’t want to steer kids their way [to Texas] that’s when the relationship became strained. That’s when they [Texas] began the vendetta against me personally.

  
• stroups

  

  And when I didn’t want to steer kids their way [to Texas] that’s when the relationship became strained. That’s when they [Texas] began the vendetta against me personally.

  Also this guy openly admits to steering kids to schools.
• stroups

  

  I'm getting most of this stuff from shaggybevo.com
  
  
• enigmaax

  stroups;810401 wrote:Also this guy openly admits to steering kids to schools.

  
  I didn't get that at all from what you quoted. Isn't he saying that he wouldn't steer kids toward Texas and that is what pissed them off? Then, Texas accused him of steering kids to other schools (which he seems to imply is false and more/less an attempt to sabotage him)?
• the_system

  I think Texas, not the school...the entire state, is corrupt as you can get when it comes to football. Texas, A&M, Tech, Baylor, basically any school from the SWAC. Is anyone here old enough to remember how corrupt that conference, as a whole, was? I believe it was the only conference to ever fold because of sanctions. Everyone was doing it down there. It got to the point where it was like they didn't give a shit anymore and just did crooked shit out in the open, all while having that typical 'don't mess with Texas' attitude about it.
• stroups

  

  enigmaax;810435 wrote:I didn't get that at all from what you quoted. Isn't he saying that he wouldn't steer kids toward Texas and that is what pissed them off? Then, Texas accused him of steering kids to other schools (which he seems to imply is false and more/less an attempt to sabotage him)?

  
  I guess you're right. I interpreted it as he would steer kids to certain schools and when Texas didn't get some of the kids they wanted they got pissed. I'm dumb........ etheir way this guy is an idiot and he will some how manage to admit to some wrongdoing the more he talks and possibly get some schools in trouble. I think the main schools he had contact with or trained players for are Oregon, USC, OKie state, Aggy, and LSU.
• Doverbuck

  The suprising thing about the Oregon story is that it became known in MARCH. Media apparently did not want to mess with paying recruits story when they could beat on Jim Tressel for any accusation anyone wanted to make. We don't need no stinkin facts.
• sleeper

  

  I really don't care about Oregon. The SEC schools do this daily and they get swept under the rug.
• WebFire

  jhay78;810353 wrote:I can think of about 3 or 4 on this site who have impressive resumes investigating OSU's troubles . . .
  
  I think Colin Cowherd mentioned this a few weeks ago- in the world of NCAA violations/infractions, paying recruits goes waaaay beyond the benefits received by OSU's players and even Reggie Bush for that matter. In the latter two cases, players got hooked up without knowledge of the universities/coaching staffs/athletic departments (at least it appears that way), and received the benefits after signing, enrolling, and playing for their respective schools. No other schools are affected by those violations.
  
  Recruiting violations in the form of payments to recruits goes way beyond that because it affects other schools negatively. If it's proven Oregon did that, then USC's and Ohio State's eventual punishments should look like mild slaps on the wrist.

  I agree that if this becomes true, this is much worse that anything that happened at OSU.
• Writerbuckeye

  

  WebFire;810848 wrote:I agree that if this becomes true, this is much worse that anything that happened at OSU.

  
  And I'll guarantee you right now there won't be near as much media activity. The number of stories will pale in comparison to the crap they threw at Ohio State.
• Hb31187

  

  this is gonna turn into another "everyone is out to get OSU " threads
• HitsRus

  

  Just more evidence that the system is broken. The NCAA is a governing body...and just like any government that has balloned out of control...aka a 400 page rule book....It will collapse on itself. It is time to stop pretending that Division1 big program football/basketball is "amateur athletics". It's not. Huge amounts of money are involved, and when that is the case, everybody is looking for a loophole or an edge, and it doesn't matter how many rules the NCAA passes. As Jay Paterno said in an article(sic)..."somebody complains...and the NCAA responds by passing new rules". Now it has become such a monstrosity, that there is probably no major program that if thoroughly and fully investigated probably hasn't committed some violation or received some' improper benefit'. The witch hunt is in full swing as people trip over each other to turn another school in. The media salivates with every accusation hoping to out another 'violator'. Good people lose their jobs. Kids that should be in college are put in the grinder, have to hire lawyers, and get run out of school disgraced. It didn't begin with OSU, and it won't end there.
  As I read these threads, we all go on and on about this supposed violation or that, which was worse, whose a cheater, and who's the latest to 'get caught'...all the while ignoring the 500 pound gorilla in the room.
  
  Really, can't we all just play football?
• lhslep134

  

  At this point there's not enough evidence for me to speculate what happens. If this comes out to be true, a lot of different schools will probably end up being involved in this same type of scandal.
• WebFire

  Writerbuckeye;810861 wrote:And I'll guarantee you right now there won't be near as much media activity. The number of stories will pale in comparison to the crap they threw at Ohio State.

  
  I'll be interested to see of this is true. You have to realize that the media didn't do anything until OSU had a press conference admitting violations. Oregon or Auburn is not to that point. I think if/when it is determined that something factually happened at these schools, they will be big stories.
• KnightRyder

  

  

  Writerbuckeye;810861 wrote:And I'll guarantee you right now there won't be near as much media activity. The number of stories will pale in comparison to the crap they threw at Ohio State.

• Tiernan

  Hb31187;810880 wrote:this is gonna turn into another "everyone is out to get OSU " threads

  Yeah well sometimes you just aren't paranoid...they really are out to get you.
• Writerbuckeye

  

  It's not a LYING zone, either, Knight. But yet you continue to plague us with your comments.
• Writerbuckeye

  

  You would think given any opening, the media would flock to Oregon (pun intended) because it's a golden opportunity to delve into the biggest marriage of corporate largess and college athletics. It's a chance to see if a huge corporation (which media tend to dislike) has helped corrupt college athletics, and how much influence a single corporation can have over a major college athletic program.
  
  It's a story built for investigative reporting.
  
  No, they don't have the alumni base of OSU or the name recognition at this point, or a coach that most of them despise and think is a hypocrite -- but there's plenty of fodder there if an industrious reporter actually wants to put some work into putting a story together.
• WebFire

  Writerbuckeye;811076 wrote:You would think given any opening, the media would flock to Oregon (pun intended) because it's a golden opportunity to delve into the biggest marriage of corporate largess and college athletics. It's a chance to see if a huge corporation (which media tend to dislike) has helped corrupt college athletics, and how much influence a single corporation can have over a major college athletic program.
  
  It's a story built for investigative reporting.
  
  No, they don't have the alumni base of OSU or the name recognition at this point, or a coach that most of them despise and think is a hypocrite -- but there's plenty of fodder there if an industrious reporter actually wants to put some work into putting a story together.

  
  Also remember that when you are living right in the middle of the story and it's your school, you hear about it a lot more. So I think it seems that your story is bigger than everyone else's.
• bases_loaded

  

  WebFire;811078 wrote:Also remember that when you are living right in the middle of the story and it's your school, you hear about it a lot more. So I think it seems that your story is bigger than everyone else's.

  
  Ummm headlines on ESPN will make it bigger. So will front page of USA Today and insert major city other than Columbus Times.
• WebFire

  bases_loaded;811081 wrote:Ummm headlines on ESPN will make it bigger. So will front page of USA Today and insert major city other than Columbus Times.

  
  I'm referring to people who think the OSU story was covered so much more than others. I'm honestly not sure if you agree or disagree with me based on your comment.
• Writerbuckeye

  

  Funny thing about the interwebs -- you can actually get perspective beyond the city where you live.
  
  And yes, I do believe OSU has had way more attention paid to its football program in this past decade than any other program in the country, and by far more (and different) media. That includes: ESPN The Magazine, ESPN, Outside The Lines, SI, The Columbus Dispatch and the NY Times. Each of those entities has done separate stories (some multiple) about Ohio State.
  
  Please name another program that has had so many different and diverse media conduct investigations into their university's football program.
  
  If you're going to say USC, I'd wager not even the LA Times conducted its own investigation into what happened there. They did report stuff from Yahoo, the NCAA, and court proceedings, but I'm not aware that they never did an actual full-on investigation like SI and ESPN and the NY Times and the Dispatch all did of OSU between 2001-2011.
• SportsAndLady

  

  Writerbuckeye;811251 wrote:Funny thing about the interwebs -- you can actually get perspective beyond the city where you live.
  
  And yes, I do believe OSU has had way more attention paid to its football program in this past decade than any other program in the country, and by far more (and different) media. That includes: ESPN The Magazine, ESPN, Outside The Lines, SI, The Columbus Dispatch and the NY Times. Each of those entities has done separate stories (some multiple) about Ohio State.
  
  Please name another program that has had so many different and diverse media conduct investigations into their university's football program.
  
  If you're going to say USC, I'd wager not even the LA Times conducted its own investigation into what happened there. They did report stuff from Yahoo, the NCAA, and court proceedings, but I'm not aware that they never did an actual full-on investigation like SI and ESPN and the NY Times and the Dispatch all did of OSU between 2001-2011.

  
  Even if that is all true...who gives a fuck? Cry a little more and continue to make yourself look like a huge vagina...good god man