The SI article about Tressel

• thedynasty1998

  

  Writerbuckeye;786234 wrote:Much higher? Please. In no way, shape or form does this show a widespread problem. And if you want to get THAT technical, then let's exclude the players involved prior to 2004 when it wasn't illegal to sell stuff -- and the 9 players who can't be verified at this point and have only been implicated by sources that aren't the least bit credible.
  
  Now we're probably down to 15 or so players, at best. Still think it's "much higher"?

  Using your guidelines and assuming 25 new scholarship players each year, that's 9%. So yes, that's much higher than .03%.
• WebFire

  LJ;786219 wrote:I never said it did. Please quote where I ever implied that? I said that the unless they find hard evidence, their witnesses highly lack the character to be credible.

  
  Ah ok. I agree.
• OneBuckeye

  

  The NCAA doesn't roll by some guys quotes either, they have to have harder evidence that that. 0% chance any of those guys gets busted unless more comes out.
• lhslep134

  

  OneBuckeye;786251 wrote:The NCAA doesn't roll by some guys quotes either, they have to have harder evidence that that. 0% chance any of those guys gets busted unless more comes out.

  
  That's what I'm saying. It's a shame what the media is doing, and I would feel this way about any other program. Even Michigan. I hate how sensationalized the media is/has become and it's pathetic IMO. They have to do what they need to do, and that's sell articles, but they do it at the expense of the full truth. SMH.
• WebFire

  lhslep134;786254 wrote:That's what I'm saying. It's a shame what the media is doing, and I would feel this way about any other program. Even Michigan. I hate how sensationalized the media is/has become and it's pathetic IMO. They have to do what they need to do, and that's sell articles, but they do it at the expense of the full truth. SMH.

  
  This is exactly what started Michigan's investigation 2 years ago. Fortunately the NCAA actually found less than the media was proclaiming.
• thedynasty1998

  

  lhslep134;786254 wrote:That's what I'm saying. It's a shame what the media is doing, and I would feel this way about any other program. Even Michigan. I hate how sensationalized the media is/has become and it's pathetic IMO. They have to do what they need to do, and that's sell articles, but they do it at the expense of the full truth. SMH.

  
  I hope no one was naive enough to think it was just Pryor and the original 5 involved at the tattoo parlor.
  
  The fact that the article wasn't anything more gives it more credibility IMO. He basically just told us what we already knew and added other names.
• Speedofsand

  

  Writerbuckeye;786225 wrote:28 out of 850 players (85 scholarship players over 10 years) -- so if I forgot to multiply by 100, I guess that would be 3 percent. At any rate, it's a ridiculously low number and doesn't show a widespread problem.

  
  You are part of the blind raging denial group. Lets do some math. 85 players. Lets say you sign 30 a year. That's 28 out of 385, right ? 7%
  
  edit: didn't see dynasty's post, used round numbers for attrition and benefit of comprehension for several tOSU fans.
• thedynasty1998

  

  Speedofsand;786267 wrote:You are part of the blind raging denial group. Lets do some math. 85 players. Lets say you sign 30 a year. That's 28 out of 385, right ? 7%

  
  .03% sounds much better.
• Commander of Awesome

  

  thedynasty1998;786276 wrote:.03% sounds much better.

  
  Wait, why dont you tell us about an "interesting thought/thing" you heard on the radio today? Surprised you're not "MIND BOGGLED" that it took so long for the resignation.
• Writerbuckeye

  

  Okay, for the sake of argument let's say it's 6 percent (which would be 25 player turnover each year and 250 overall). That means 6 players out of 100 were participating if you go with 15 total players involved...which is likely more than you can actually prove at this point.
  
  How is that a widespread problem?
  
  It's not.
• thedynasty1998

  

  Writerbuckeye;786303 wrote:Okay, for the sake of argument let's say it's 6 percent (which would be 25 player turnover each year and 250 overall). That means 6 players out of 100 were participating if you go with 15 total players involved...which is likely more than you can actually prove at this point.
  
  How is that a widespread problem?
  
  It's not.

  
  It is IMO. When 6% of your team (still a low percentage) is spending their Friday nights in the upstairs of a tattoo parlor on the westside of Columbus, that's a wide spread problem that someone should be aware of.
  
  This isn't a restaurant on Lane Ave. This is a drug dealer in a bad area of Columbus. And if there are in fact 15 players on last years roster who hung out there that's almost 20% of scholarship players.
• wes_mantooth

  

  ZWICK 4 PREZ;786224 wrote:Maybe to idiots. Dope is Coke... not weed.

  
  Wait, so NWAs song dopeman wasn't about weed?! That just blew my mind.
• pmoney25

  

  OSU deserves to be punished and I am glad Tressel is now gone. Rules were broken, now they have been caught, time to pay the piper.
  
  Its obvious our Program was not as clean as we thought it was. I will admit I was one of the fans who thought OSU was better than that but I am man enough to admit I was wrong.
• Scarlet_Buckeye

  

  RedBlackAttack;785904 wrote:I want to preface my comments by saying that I'm a Michigan fan and I want nothing more than for the OSU football program to fall into a funk so that we can begin dominating again like we did in the 90s. With that said...
  
  This is a total disgrace and a witch hunt. So, let me get this straight... Tressel is being forced out because his players got some free tattoos? And because he had previous knowledge of them selling some stuff and he waited a few months to report it?
  
  Is that it? Because, if so, Ohio State runs the cleanest program in the country.
  
  Pete Carroll presided over what was essentially a professional team. Of course, the NCAA allowed him to play-out his tenure and then, just when the news was about to break, he was offered a job in the NFL. His reputation is still completely intact.
  
  Cam Newton was given... What? $250,000? On his father's f#cking orders? Was the NCAA crawling in every crack and crevice of the Auburn program to find out if any of the players had... gasp... possibly gotten free tattoos or the like, as well? Because, the selling of a player by a father clearly doesn't match up to something as heinous as getting free body ink.
  
  There is such hypocrisy in the NCAA right now, particularly with football, it makes the mind boggle. They pick out the programs and coaches that they want to take down at any given time and they find the evidence to do so. When you have one hundred 18-22 year olds to look after and they all think they are the next Jerry Rice, you will be able to find 'something' improper if you look hard enough.
  
  However, this OSU case is the most egregious witch hunt that I have ever seen. Go throw the NCAA's wrath on any program in the country and I can guarantee that they find far, far worse than free tattoos and a couple of small handouts to a handful of players.
  
  Tressel didn't deserve to go out like this and that comes from a UM guy.

  
  Thank you.
• dokken

  pmoney25;786327 wrote:OSU deserves to be punished and I am glad Tressel is now gone. Rules were broken, now they have been caught, time to pay the piper.
  
  Its obvious our Program was not as clean as we thought it was. I will admit I was one of the fans who thought OSU was better than that but I am man enough to admit I was wrong.

  
  I agree. We also need to instill a curfew for the boys too.
• lhslep134

  

  WebFire;786261 wrote:This is exactly what started Michigan's investigation 2 years ago. Fortunately the NCAA actually found less than the media was proclaiming.

  
  Which is why I never weighed in on the Michigan violations. I felt it was witch hunting there too. Where's the witch hunting with Auburn this year? Or Oregon and Lyles? I hope those stories are still to come, because the article is quite ridiculous. Naming all of those players without reaching out to them and asking them (I'm talking about Storm, Williams, Simon, the new guys being targeted). All that article did was take the word of criminals and disgruntled former players without even considering the other side of the issue.
• lhslep134

  

  thedynasty1998;786262 wrote:I hope no one was naive enough to think it was just Pryor and the original 5 involved at the tattoo parlor.
  
  The fact that the article wasn't anything more gives it more credibility IMO. He basically just told us what we already knew and added other names.

  
  So far 6 players have been found guilty. Get at me when more are. Please and thank you. What happened to innocent until proven guilty? Guess it doesn't exist anymore.
• dokken

  Tressel could have at least asked Pryor to step into his office and ask if he were a pothead.
• karen lotz

  

  lhslep134;786337 wrote:Naming all of those players without reaching out to them and asking them (I'm talking about Storm, Williams, Simon, the new guys being targeted). All that article did was take the word of criminals and disgruntled former players without even considering the other side of the issue.

  
  
  Last line of the paragraph that named the additional current players:
  

  Ohio State declined to make any of its current players available to respond to SI.

• jordo212000

  

  I hope no one was naive enough to think it was just Pryor and the original 5 involved at the tattoo parlor.
  
  
  
  The fact that the article wasn't anything more gives it more credibility IMO. He basically just told us what we already knew and added other names.

  
  
  So far 6 players have been found guilty. Get at me when more are. Please and thank you. What happened to innocent until proven guilty? Guess it doesn't exist anymore.

  Innocent until proven guilty only exists in the court of law. Not the court of public opinion
• Writerbuckeye

  

  jordo212000;786346 wrote:Innocent until proven guilty only exists in the court of law. Not the court of public opinion

  
  Well thank God public opinion isn't (or sure as hell shouldn't be) determining what punishment should be meted out. I would hope the NCAA might have a bit higher standard of proof before it rules.
• lhslep134

  

  jordo212000;786346 wrote:Innocent until proven guilty only exists in the court of law. Not the court of public opinion

  
  Court of public opinion doesn't decide if players are eligible or not, so I don't even know why you'd bring it up.
• lhslep134

  

  karen lotz;786345 wrote:Last line of the paragraph that named the additional current players:

  
  Ah okay, that makes sense.
  
  That still doesn't change my opinion about the article.
• ksig489

  ESPN said this morning on sportscenter that this is just the tip of the iceberg and that there is much more to come. What do they already know that we dont?
• thedynasty1998

  

  lhslep134;786341 wrote:So far 6 players have been found guilty. Get at me when more are. Please and thank you. What happened to innocent until proven guilty? Guess it doesn't exist anymore.

  
  I think you were the one that jumped on me when I talked about Jermil Martin, and I know he was involved and that others were as well. I'll just say someone shared information with me that interviewed Martin.