Cincinnati is Who I Thought They Were...

• trep14

  DaBrowns41 wrote:

  jordo212000 wrote:

  DaBrowns41 wrote:
  If you want to compare both conferences this year, they are identical. The Big Ten is defensive, and the Big East is offensive.

  That "defensive" mindset hasn't been working for the conference during the past 2-3 seasons of OOC play and bowl appearances. Hopefully the Big 10 will adapt a little bit and get out of the dark ages.

  Problem is, our defense has been excellent.... to Big Ten offenses.
  
  Our defense looks lost when it goes against a speedy, complex offense, which is Ohio State's problem.
  
  We're not used to getting multiple looks on offense, and having QB's who can run circles around so many teams in the nation.
  
  The last time our defense was truly good enough to stop even the most elite offenses was earlier in the decade.

  That is exactly what scares me about the Oregon matchup. I really hope the D can contain Oregon and keep them from turning it in to a track meet. Tressel can't play from behind.
• DaBrowns41

  trep14 wrote:

  DaBrowns41 wrote:

  trep14 wrote:

  jordo212000 wrote:

  thedynasty1998 wrote:
  And for those that think Penn State and Iowa have these great defenses, what makes you think that?

  It definitely wasn't their performance in big games haha. Penn St lost both big games on their schedule and scheduled freaking Eastern Illinois.
  
  Iowa had to block 2 FGs to beat Northern Iowa (of DI-AA)

  Iowa's and Penn State's defensive numbers come from playing in an offensively inept Big Ten. I really believe that Cincy would beat either by at least 10 points.

  Oh, but UC's offensive numbers couldn't have came from a defensively inept Big East?
  
  I don't understand the double standard.
  
  If you want to compare both conferences this year, they are identical. The Big Ten is defensive, and the Big East is offensive.

  UC certainly didn't have any problem hanging half a century on the only big ten opponent they played, which is A) The most points scored on Illinois all year, & B) The second most points Cincy scored all year.

  Illinois also got shut out by Ohio State's defense, and Ohio State's mediocre offense put up 30, in which we had our 2nd string in in the 3rd quarter and on because Jimothy doesn't run up the score.
  
  I don't understand what you're trying to say? Are you bragging about Cincy being 2 plays away from losing to the worst team overall in the Big Ten?
• DaBrowns41

  trep14 wrote:

  DaBrowns41 wrote:

  jordo212000 wrote:

  DaBrowns41 wrote:
  If you want to compare both conferences this year, they are identical. The Big Ten is defensive, and the Big East is offensive.

  That "defensive" mindset hasn't been working for the conference during the past 2-3 seasons of OOC play and bowl appearances. Hopefully the Big 10 will adapt a little bit and get out of the dark ages.

  Problem is, our defense has been excellent.... to Big Ten offenses.
  
  Our defense looks lost when it goes against a speedy, complex offense, which is Ohio State's problem.
  
  We're not used to getting multiple looks on offense, and having QB's who can run circles around so many teams in the nation.
  
  The last time our defense was truly good enough to stop even the most elite offenses was earlier in the decade.

  That is exactly what scares me about the Oregon matchup. I really hope the D can contain Oregon and keep them from turning it in to a track meet. Tressel can't play from behind.

  I think OSU will be fine.
  
  Think KSU/OSU in the 2004 Fiesta Bowl, only less of a shootout.
• trep14

  DaBrowns41 wrote:

  trep14 wrote:

  DaBrowns41 wrote:

  trep14 wrote:

  jordo212000 wrote:

  thedynasty1998 wrote:
  And for those that think Penn State and Iowa have these great defenses, what makes you think that?

  It definitely wasn't their performance in big games haha. Penn St lost both big games on their schedule and scheduled freaking Eastern Illinois.
  
  Iowa had to block 2 FGs to beat Northern Iowa (of DI-AA)

  Iowa's and Penn State's defensive numbers come from playing in an offensively inept Big Ten. I really believe that Cincy would beat either by at least 10 points.

  Oh, but UC's offensive numbers couldn't have came from a defensively inept Big East?
  
  I don't understand the double standard.
  
  If you want to compare both conferences this year, they are identical. The Big Ten is defensive, and the Big East is offensive.

  UC certainly didn't have any problem hanging half a century on the only big ten opponent they played, which is A) The most points scored on Illinois all year, & B) The second most points Cincy scored all year.

  Illinois also got shut out by Ohio State's defense, and Ohio State's mediocre offense put up 30, in which we had our 2nd string in in the 3rd quarter and on because Jimothy doesn't run up the score.
  
  I don't understand what you're trying to say? Are you bragging about Cincy being 2 plays away from losing to the worst team overall in the Big Ten?

  The game was also in a heavy downpour, which certainly didn't do Illinois any favors, seeing as it made any resemblance of a passing game disappear, which not only meant that the Illini couldn't utilize Benn but also that Terrelle Pryor couldn't keep Illinois in the game.
• jordo212000

  

  It'll be interesting to see what happens in the Oregon-Ohio St game. If Tress gets outschemed and refuses to go past page 3 of the playbook, it would be nice if Gene Smith came in and gave him a subtle hint to hire an OC.
• DaBrowns41

  trep14 wrote:

  DaBrowns41 wrote:

  trep14 wrote:

  DaBrowns41 wrote:

  trep14 wrote:

  jordo212000 wrote:

  thedynasty1998 wrote:
  And for those that think Penn State and Iowa have these great defenses, what makes you think that?

  It definitely wasn't their performance in big games haha. Penn St lost both big games on their schedule and scheduled freaking Eastern Illinois.
  
  Iowa had to block 2 FGs to beat Northern Iowa (of DI-AA)

  Iowa's and Penn State's defensive numbers come from playing in an offensively inept Big Ten. I really believe that Cincy would beat either by at least 10 points.

  Oh, but UC's offensive numbers couldn't have came from a defensively inept Big East?
  
  I don't understand the double standard.
  
  If you want to compare both conferences this year, they are identical. The Big Ten is defensive, and the Big East is offensive.

  UC certainly didn't have any problem hanging half a century on the only big ten opponent they played, which is A) The most points scored on Illinois all year, & B) The second most points Cincy scored all year.

  Illinois also got shut out by Ohio State's defense, and Ohio State's mediocre offense put up 30, in which we had our 2nd string in in the 3rd quarter and on because Jimothy doesn't run up the score.
  
  I don't understand what you're trying to say? Are you bragging about Cincy being 2 plays away from losing to the worst team overall in the Big Ten?

  The game was also in a heavy downpour, which certainly didn't do Illinois any favors, seeing as it made any resemblance of a passing game disappear, which not only meant that the Illini couldn't utilize Benn but also that Terrelle Pryor couldn't keep Illinois in the game.

  Pryor didn't need to keep Illinois in the game because we were running the ball all over them. Why would you pass when you can just take time off the clock and get off the field faster because you're running for 6 yards a carry?
  
  Point is, Cincy was very close to losing that game. If the Gilyard TD that wasn't a TD is reversed like it should have been, then they lose by like 9 points. If Duvall catches that pass wide open and goes in for 6, then Illinois can make it a one possession game.
  
  I'm done thinking about the what if's, however, because the game happened, and it's done, and there are ALWAYS what if's to every game.
  
  I don't see how we can't just agree to disagree that this season the conferences are basically the same. They were one-sided, didn't play the strongest schedules (as a whole), and were disappointing in some areas, while exciting in others.
• jordo212000

  

  trep14 wrote:
  The game was also in a heavy downpour, which certainly didn't do Illinois any favors, seeing as it made any resemblance of a passing game disappear, which not only meant that the Illini couldn't utilize Benn but also that Terrelle Pryor couldn't keep Illinois in the game.

  I was at that game. Trep is right. Tress refused to allow TP to become integral part of the game. I think at halftime TP had less than 20 yds passing
  
  Something needs to be said about familiarity. Ohio State is very familiar with Illinois and they know that if you give Juice enough rope he'll hang himself.
• DaBrowns41

  jordo212000 wrote: It'll be interesting to see what happens in the Oregon-Ohio St game. If Tress gets outschemed and refuses to go past page 3 of the playbook, it would be nice if Gene Smith came in and gave him a subtle hint to hire an OC.

  We just need to utilize screen passes more against their defense. They've got an aggressive defensive line, but a suspect secondary.
  
  If we can utilize the screen pass, get the ball rolling on the ground as well, then Pryor should be able to hit Posey and Co. for a few intermediate passes to keep the ball rolling and get some points.
  
  I'm confident in our defense. Masoli is just a tough kid, which scares me. I've watched a lot of him, and he isn't afraid to take the ball and run right into a huge linebacker if it means he's going to get a first down, so we need to be aggressive and get to him with Thaddeus and Cameron.
  
  Hopefully Blount won't punch any of our players, either.
• krazie45

  

  Cincy=2007 Hawaii IMO. Great offense but a terrible defense.
• jordo212000

  

  I'm patiently awaiting LHSlep's return to this thread, so the thread will get its entertainment factor back.
• jordo212000

  

  krazie45 wrote: Cincy=2007 Hawaii IMO. Great offense but a terrible defense.

  Not a very good comparison IMO. Cincy has beaten some good teams.
  
  I'm not saying they are going to win their bowl game or anything, just saying that they should be given more respect than what they are getting.
• lhslep134

  

  Jordo, what do you want me to say? That I stuck to an opinion that most people on here disagree with? God forbid that's never happened before...and this thread turned away from talking about what I was talking about, so why would I re-emerge until your childish antics questioned where I was.
  
  I apologize for sticking to my opinion? Just because you and others disagree with me isn't grounds to change my opinion. I also haven't said Cinci would get blown out in a bowl game. I said from the getgo I'm not anti Cinci, and just because I think they're overrated doesn't mean I have to change my opinion when they drop 40+ on a Pitt defense that played pathetic in the second half.
• trep14

  lhslep134 wrote: Jordo, what do you want me to say? That I stuck to an opinion that most people on here disagree with? God forbid that's never happened before...and this thread turned away from talking about what I was talking about, so why would I re-emerge until your childish antics questioned where I was.
  
  I apologize for sticking to my opinion? Just because you and others disagree with me isn't grounds to change my opinion. I also haven't said Cinci would get blown out in a bowl game. I said from the getgo I'm not anti Cinci, and just because I think they're overrated doesn't mean I have to change my opinion when they drop 40+ on a Pitt defense that played pathetic in the second half.

  At this point though, you are just wrong. You dismiss what Cincy did as being a result of a pathetic Pitt defense just after you were talking up that Pitt defense, so you were wrong and you just need to admit it. Defenses don't just start to suck overnight.
  
  Seriously, this whole "sticking to my opinion" thing is such a joke. All evidence points to the Earth being a sphere, yet there are people who still believe that the Earth is flat. So opinions can be wrong, and yours definitely was.
• jordo212000

  

  lhslep134 wrote: Jordo, what do you want me to say? That I stuck to an opinion that most people on here disagree with? God forbid that's never happened before...and this thread turned away from talking about what I was talking about, so why would I re-emerge until your childish antics questioned where I was.
  

  Honestly? I was kind of hoping for another premature prediction.
  
  Or... for you to say somebody had a good defense and then completely back pedal away from it when it is obvious that it won't help reinforce a previous comment/argument you made
• lhslep134

  

  Wait Jordo, when did I dismiss what they did? I've given Cinci credit throughout this whole thread once their offense started clicking.
  
  I never dismissed their performance, but I'm sticking to my opinion that their offense is overrated.
  
  Are you an idiot for bringing up the world is a sphere argument? Hell yes. It's PROVEN that the Earth is a sphere, whereas I'm giving my opinion of a college football offense, which is not a proven fact, rather an opinion. If you want to equate my opinion on a message board to that of thinking the earth is flat, then well, you have some very crazy intellectual and logic issues.
• jordo212000

  

  lhslep134 wrote: Wait Jordo, when did I dismiss what they did? I've given Cinci credit throughout this whole thread once their offense started clicking.
  
  I never dismissed their performance, but I'm sticking to my opinion that their offense is overrated.
  
  Are you an idiot for bringing up the world is a sphere argument? Hell yes. It's PROVEN that the Earth is a sphere, whereas I'm giving my opinion of a college football offense, which is not a proven fact, rather an opinion. If you want to equate my opinion on a message board to that of thinking the earth is flat, then well, you have some very crazy intellectual and logic issues.

  I never said anything about you "dismissing" Cincy. I keep bringing up that you call Pitt a good defense initially and then after Cincy shreds them you change your mind and say they suck and that a whole season of work means nothing.
• lhslep134

  

  Jordo, my post was intended at trep. My bad.
  
  Trep, any response?
• trep14

  lhslep134 wrote: Wait Jordo, when did I dismiss what they did? I've given Cinci credit throughout this whole thread once their offense started clicking.
  
  I never dismissed their performance, but I'm sticking to my opinion that their offense is overrated.
  
  Are you an idiot for bringing up the world is a sphere argument? Hell yes. It's PROVEN that the Earth is a sphere, whereas I'm giving my opinion of a college football offense, which is not a proven fact, rather an opinion. If you want to equate my opinion on a message board to that of thinking the earth is flat, then well, you have some very crazy intellectual and logic issues.

  No, you haven't given Cincy credit. You talked Pitts D up as being great. Pitts D proceeded to give up nearly 50 points to Cincy. Now Pitt has a bad D and Cincy is still overrated = dismissing Cincys offensive performance.
  
  How am I an idiot for bringing up the world is flat? That comparison just proves that there are people out there who can have a whole body of evidence in front of them contradicting their statements and yet continue to ignore it. You don't have to lecture me on the difference between scientific fact and scientific opinion, namely because I don't come on to a college football message board to talk about the application and role of scientific principles in college athletics with numbskulls like you. I mean, resorting to trying to call out someone for something like that is right up there with the grammar and spelling police. Which nothing screams "Help! I've lost an argument!" like resorting to those kind of measures.
  
  Seriously, what do you even mean by Cincys offense being overrated? No one is saying they have the best offense in college football, but it is clearly up there. In fact, if there is one thing you cant take away from Cincy, its their offense.
• lhslep134

  

  lhslep134 wrote: And great throw from Pike!
  
  I'm not a Cinci hater, I'm really not. Just an objective fan.
  
  And Cinci's offense has turned it on in the second half, I can't deny that.

  lhslep134 wrote:
  second half: pathetic pitt defense, good Cinci offense.
  
  

  lhslep134 wrote:

  jordo212000 wrote:

  trep14 wrote:
  You're entitled to your opinion. Its just a bad one with absolutely no basis.

  I love how LHSlep describes Pitt's defense as a good top 20 defense, calls Cincy out.... and now that Cincy has scored 45 points and defeated this team with a so-called "good" defense... Cincy's offense is still overrated.
  
  Is anybody else laughing at his logic?

  
  I gave credit to Cinci.

  
  Uhm, you can shut up now Trep. I've been giving them credit since they turned it on in the 2nd half.
• lhslep134

  

  And what do I mean by their offense being overrated? I don't think it's as good as everyone rates it to be. That would mean overrated, unless my definition of the word is wrong...
• Tiernan

  I hope that is the end of "the best team in Ohio BS".
• dave

  lmao, this is a great read.
  
  dude, just give up. UC is built for turf and decent weather, and they still put up 45 in snow on one of the worst fields in the country. they've only had 1 game where they didn't score 4 td's, when they beat a top 20 west virginia team 24-21. so overrated.
• jordo212000

  

  You can argue any number of things about Cincy (their defense isn't very good, their conference isn't the greatest, etc) But the one thing you definitely cannot argue under any circumstances is that their offense is "overrrated" I guess that has been my main source of disbelief all along.
  
  I think the offenses performance over the past few weeks (and whole season) pretty much proves that point. How long does their avg scoring drive last again?
• lhslep134

  

  jordo212000 wrote: But the one thing you definitely cannot argue under any circumstances is that their offense is "overrrated"

  First of all, it's an opinion, and I can indeed argue it because it is, after all, an OPINION. Can Cincinnati score in bunches? Yes. Are their drives fast? Yes. But that doesn't mean I don't think their offense is overrated.
  
  Let's see. Everyone else's beliefs: Cincinnati has a great, outstanding offense
  My belief: Cincinnati has a pretty good offense but nothing special, especially personnel wise
  
  Great > pretty good
  
  I disagree with great, therefore I think their offense is overrated. Does that make sense to you?
  
  Just because something is overrated doesn't mean it's bad. I think overrated comes with too negative a connotation. I think their offense is pretty good, but not as great as everyone thinks.
  
  Does that clear things up?
• rock_knutne

  I was at this game today and on the Cincy sideline, they are for real on offense. Gilyard(sp?) is as good as any WR I've seen this year in CFB. I was also not aware that Cincy had to replace a boat load of starters on defense. People who write this team off had better thing again, they have talent and IMO will hang with whom ever they are matched up against in their bowl game.