Rose Bowl: Ohio State vs. Oregon
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devil1197
The first part of your post implies that Tressel won't do what he has done previously against big teams, which is lose.newarkcatholicfan wrote: I do not think Coach Jim T. will do as he has done in big games against highly-rated opponents thus causing the Buckeyes once again to be defeated by a team they should easily have defeated.
So are you saying OSU is going to win?
Also, go Romo lead the Cowboys to the promise land eh? -
newarkcatholicfan
I corrected the post.devil1197 wrote:
The first part of your post implies that Tressel won't do what he has done previously against big teams, which is lose.newarkcatholicfan wrote: I do not think Coach Jim T. will do as he has done in big games against highly-rated opponents thus causing the Buckeyes once again to be defeated by a team they should easily have defeated.
So are you saying OSU is going to win?
Also, go Romo lead the Cowboys to the promise land eh? -
jpake1
That is your opinion. I don't consider a unit to be great if they're one of the best that year. I take history into account as well. Not sure what your answer would be since they're 2nd best right now, but would you consider the Magic to be great? IMO, they're one of the best this year, but definitely not a great team when I think about the history of the game.SQ_Crazies wrote: Well if they're the best in the league (which I agree, don't see how anyone could think differently) then they currently define greatness IMO. But I understand what you're saying. When I look at the numbers though, and how long they've sustained them, I'd definitely call them great. They were totally shut down by the Cardinals though--it was nothing more than a good game plan and their players staying focused and playing assignment football on just about every down.
The run game is different obviously, but just about any line in the league could neutralize the pass rush if they really game plan for it--but then again, a lot of teams don't have as good an offense as the Cards to be able to focus that much of the plan on blocking schemes. But they knew that, and shutting down that pass rush was the difference in the game from what I saw because we all know the Vikings defense ISN'T great behind that d-line, so they live off the pressure.
But that's what I saw against Purdue, they just blocked well and I think you'd agree that our d-line is about 80% of the reason our defense is as good as it is. Behind the line the Bucks defense is highly overrated--including Coleman. They got shut off against Purdue because their guys executed that game plan all day. And our offense shit a brick, no surprise there. But I don't see that happening against Oregon--I just don't think that's the way they game plan. They don't worry about the other teams defense, they just do their thing--which is why in a few games I think their offense hasn't been as productive. A defense will sneak up and surprise them, doesn't happen often but this is definitely the best D they've seen. It did happen against Boise and against UCLA, which oddly enough is the only Oregon game I watched this season other than Boise and Oregon State. And UCLA has a pretty solid D, they held the Ducks far under their season average. I think the Buckeye defense will dominate the game but they're still going to find ways to score a few times--just a matter of our offense discovering the endzone.
I don't agree about the 80% part. I think it's pretty even throughout the 3 parts. I know we differ mightly in regards to Coleman. This is pretty much a usual year for OSU's defense. Stats are a bit different, but I think most would say this defense played as well as most of our D's have the past few years. Our dline was far from great last year, yet the D was one of the best in the country. I happen to like our LB's and DB's better than last years unit as well. You think our LB's are overrated? Weren't you on my side in an arguement this year with rrunner about our LB's being better than last year's group? You were very high on Rolle. But hey, maybe you think last year's group was pretty overrated and that they are this year as well. -
devil1197
Yeah, you couldn't lead yourself out of a wet paper bag let alone throw a football 10 yards.newarkcatholicfan wrote:
I corrected the post.devil1197 wrote:
The first part of your post implies that Tressel won't do what he has done previously against big teams, which is lose.newarkcatholicfan wrote: I do not think Coach Jim T. will do as he has done in big games against highly-rated opponents thus causing the Buckeyes once again to be defeated by a team they should easily have defeated.
So are you saying OSU is going to win?
Also, go Romo lead the Cowboys to the promise land eh? -
SQ_Crazies
So they get blown out by Florida, who goes on one of the best runs in college football history. Plays a pretty tight game with LSU, a team I don't think anyone can say they should have easily defeated. Plays a very close game, with a freshman QB, against a team that is in the national title game this year--not sure you can say they should have easily defeated Texas. Lose to USC with a freshman QB who preseason has one of the "best defenses ever"--killed us in what most agreed was the best they played all year. Lose to USC in a tight game in what was DEFINITELY the best USC has played this year. Can't say they should have easily beaten USC either year--if you do, you're pretty stupid. So I'm not really sure what you mean.newarkcatholicfan wrote: I do think Coach Jim T. will do as he has done in big games against highly-rated opponents thus causing the Buckeyes once again to be defeated by a team they should easily have defeated. -
SQ_Crazies
I do think our LB's are better this year. I don't think our d-line was THAT bad last year, but our DB's were way better. Jenkins shut down a whole side of the field basically every down all year and it's not like we had BAD LB's last year. But our DB's are worse this year--our LB's are better but IMO they're better in the pass game, I don't think they're much better in the run game. With the exception of Rolle because unlike JL he runs TO the ball. But yeah, I do think our d-line is that good. The LB's have an easier time because they don't have to blitz much to get pressure, they don't get linemen on the second level too often. Our DB's have a much easier time due to the pressure we put on QB's. I do think our d-line is THAT good--best part about it is they're only going to be better next year.jpake1 wrote:
That is your opinion. I don't consider a unit to be great if they're one of the best that year. I take history into account as well. Not sure what your answer would be since they're 2nd best right now, but would you consider the Magic to be great? IMO, they're one of the best this year, but definitely not a great team when I think about the history of the game.SQ_Crazies wrote: Well if they're the best in the league (which I agree, don't see how anyone could think differently) then they currently define greatness IMO. But I understand what you're saying. When I look at the numbers though, and how long they've sustained them, I'd definitely call them great. They were totally shut down by the Cardinals though--it was nothing more than a good game plan and their players staying focused and playing assignment football on just about every down.
The run game is different obviously, but just about any line in the league could neutralize the pass rush if they really game plan for it--but then again, a lot of teams don't have as good an offense as the Cards to be able to focus that much of the plan on blocking schemes. But they knew that, and shutting down that pass rush was the difference in the game from what I saw because we all know the Vikings defense ISN'T great behind that d-line, so they live off the pressure.
But that's what I saw against Purdue, they just blocked well and I think you'd agree that our d-line is about 80% of the reason our defense is as good as it is. Behind the line the Bucks defense is highly overrated--including Coleman. They got shut off against Purdue because their guys executed that game plan all day. And our offense shit a brick, no surprise there. But I don't see that happening against Oregon--I just don't think that's the way they game plan. They don't worry about the other teams defense, they just do their thing--which is why in a few games I think their offense hasn't been as productive. A defense will sneak up and surprise them, doesn't happen often but this is definitely the best D they've seen. It did happen against Boise and against UCLA, which oddly enough is the only Oregon game I watched this season other than Boise and Oregon State. And UCLA has a pretty solid D, they held the Ducks far under their season average. I think the Buckeye defense will dominate the game but they're still going to find ways to score a few times--just a matter of our offense discovering the endzone.
I don't agree about the 80% part. I think it's pretty even throughout the 3 parts. I know we differ mightly in regards to Coleman. This is pretty much a usual year for OSU's defense. Stats are a bit different, but I think most would say this defense played as well as most of our D's have the past few years. Our dline was far from great last year, yet the D was one of the best in the country. I happen to like our LB's and DB's better than last years unit as well. You think our LB's are overrated? Weren't you on my side in an arguement this year with rrunner about our LB's being better than last year's group? You were very high on Rolle. But hey, maybe you think last year's group was pretty overrated and that they are this year as well. -
devil1197jpake, OSU's defense is #5 this year and was #14 last season which is a nice jump considering I think the B10 has better teams this year compared to last season. The defense line started to improve at the end of the year and had a very good outing against Texas in the Fiesta Bowl to give us a preview of this season.
The OSU LB's aren't getting blockers on them like previous years because teams are having to take care of the DL first. This lets Homan and Rolle flow to the football instead of trying to get off their blocks. I don't think you can honestly say that Chekwa and Torrence are better than or comparable to Washington and Jenkins last year. The pressure the defensive line puts on QB's helps alot. -
jpake1
Yes I can honestly say our DB's are better. I would take Jenkins/Washington over Checkwa/Torrence, but it's not a landslide. Checkwa was a starter over Washington last year. But I do like the fact Russell, Coleman, and even Hines are a year older this year. Overall as a group, I like our DB's more.
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rrfan
both teams will come in hungry. OSU needs this win more IMO.
Oregon is favord early by 3.5. Looks like OSU is the underdog. -
tcby99Oregon is a 2 point favorite right now according to Vegas.
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KnightRyder
first off you could play USC ten more times and they will beat you all ten. furthermore if the bucks line is that good how come navy threw up 27 on them? and why do they have a loss to a sorry purdue team. and you wont be able to stop the option you couldnt do it against navy and oregon is much more athletic and way more speed not to mention a dual threat qb that navy really didnt have. OSU once again will get exposed on the national stage.devil1197 wrote:
OSU's defense played great against USC, match those two teams up again with how the OSU offense is playing and the Buckeyes win by 14+. Your going to give up a TD late after being on the field the majority of the game.KnightRyder wrote:
okay i will explain. OSU's defense looks good when playing in the big ten . but you know what this isnt the big ten. OSU couldnt beat the fifth place team from the pac ten on their home field and yet you say they can beat the team that won the pac ten on a neutral site. the speed of the interior lineman at oregon is far superior to anything the bucks see in slow motion conference called the big ten. ohio state lineman look fast in the big ten. but when they get outside their conference they look like they are encased in cementdevil1197 wrote:
Oh really, care to explain why?KnightRyder wrote:
that is the most absurd post i ever readdevil1197 wrote:
We heard that before the Texas game also last year too.KnightRyder wrote: OSU 's defense is good as long as they are playing the meat bags of the big ten. if they gave up 27 to navy oregon, is liable to throw up 50 on them. looks like the annual january roasting of buckeyes will continue
Face it, OSU has a great defense this year because of their stellar defensive line play that they have lacked. Yeah, they may have a Gholston but not 4 guys + a steady rotation of athletic DL guys that are one of the best in the country. Their the main reason this OSU defense is truly legit this season. OSU has lacked a full defensive line for some time now but not this year. They'll be all over Masoli because they have the athletic ability that most teams lack at those positions.
What has been the weak part of the OSU defense for the past 3-4 years? It has been the defensive line as a unit. OSU has always had solid LB and DB cores, but they have lacked a full defensive line front that can dominate. They may have had a couple guys but not a deep rotation like we currently even with Larimore getting hurt.
This year OSU has two 1st rounders at the DE positions along with a solid rotation of of 5+ other guys that are very good. Its no surprise that this DL group is touted as being one of the best in the country.
They DO have the athletic ability to contain Masoli. Just look at two DE's with Gibson and Williams. Gibson has the athletic ability as he will be an OLB in the NFL and Williams is very quick. Along with Heyward, Wilson, Simon, Denlinger, Rose, and Co. this group will be all over the Oregon rushing attack.
Like I stated but yet you refuse to listen, THIS YEAR'S OSU team is different from previous season's because of the great defensive line they have. Your whole argument is how OSU has compared in previous years, this is a different defense and to not see that is truly ignorant. Having a great defensive line makes a huge difference in a defenses play.
OSU has two 1st rounder DE's on their DL, one of which runs a 4.5 40. Don't come on here and say OSU's DL looks fast because they play in the B10. Gibson's 40 in HS was 4.5, Williams was 4.67, Wilson's was 4.6. OSU hasn't had a defensive line like this in a long time. Complete with strength, speed, agility, and pure athleticism. Please do not say Oregon's lineman will be able to keep up with Gibson or Williams (both of which had great games against Texas last year, I expect the same things). You won't find too many teams that have the depth and talent at the defensive line position.
This will be the reason why OSU wins. They will be able to put pressure on Masoli in the passing game and our athletic DE's will be able to slow the option. Not too mention OSU's LB's (Rolle and Homan) are more athletic and faster than previous OSU LB's like Freeman and Laurinaitis. -
devil1197Yeah, since Navy runs the same offense as Oregon???? Are you that stupid? If you are going to bring up games from the 1st week, then Oregon has a pathetic offense that Boise shut down and OSU will do the same. We can play the bullshit games all night if you'd like.
I am done arguing with you. It's obvious that you dislike OSU and there is no use in arguing with a idiot like you. -
hangonsloopy
BURN!devil1197 wrote: Yeah, since Navy runs the same offense as Oregon???? Are you that stupid? If you are going to bring up games from the 1st week, then Oregon has a pathetic offense that Boise shut down and OSU will do the same. We can play the bullshit games all night if you'd like.
I am done arguing with you. It's obvious that you dislike OSU and there is no use in arguing with a idiot like you. -
LJ
I love it when people come on a forum and act like they are spitting knowledge and that they are so smart.KnightRyder wrote:
first off you could play USC ten more times and they will beat you all ten. furthermore if the bucks line is that good how come navy threw up 27 on them? and why do they have a loss to a sorry purdue team. and you wont be able to stop the option you couldnt do it against navy and oregon is much more athletic and way more speed not to mention a dual threat qb that navy really didnt have. OSU once again will get exposed on the national stage.
First off smart guy, OSU held Navy 91 yards under their season average for rushing yards.
Second smart guy, Navy runs a veer triple option, Oregon runs a zone-read. I suggest you do some reading on the 2 offenses and realize how different they are and how stupid you sound. -
Red_Skin_Pride
Yeah, a 3 point win...I'd call that dominant. I bet you feel that Stanford would beat Oregon all 20 times if they played that many then???KnightRyder wrote:
first off you could play USC ten more times and they will beat you all ten. furthermore if the bucks line is that good how come navy threw up 27 on them? and why do they have a loss to a sorry purdue team. and you wont be able to stop the option you couldnt do it against navy and oregon is much more athletic and way more speed not to mention a dual threat qb that navy really didnt have. OSU once again will get exposed on the national stage.devil1197 wrote:
OSU's defense played great against USC, match those two teams up again with how the OSU offense is playing and the Buckeyes win by 14+. Your going to give up a TD late after being on the field the majority of the game.KnightRyder wrote:
okay i will explain. OSU's defense looks good when playing in the big ten . but you know what this isnt the big ten. OSU couldnt beat the fifth place team from the pac ten on their home field and yet you say they can beat the team that won the pac ten on a neutral site. the speed of the interior lineman at oregon is far superior to anything the bucks see in slow motion conference called the big ten. ohio state lineman look fast in the big ten. but when they get outside their conference they look like they are encased in cementdevil1197 wrote:
Oh really, care to explain why?KnightRyder wrote:
that is the most absurd post i ever readdevil1197 wrote:
We heard that before the Texas game also last year too.KnightRyder wrote: OSU 's defense is good as long as they are playing the meat bags of the big ten. if they gave up 27 to navy oregon, is liable to throw up 50 on them. looks like the annual january roasting of buckeyes will continue
Face it, OSU has a great defense this year because of their stellar defensive line play that they have lacked. Yeah, they may have a Gholston but not 4 guys + a steady rotation of athletic DL guys that are one of the best in the country. Their the main reason this OSU defense is truly legit this season. OSU has lacked a full defensive line for some time now but not this year. They'll be all over Masoli because they have the athletic ability that most teams lack at those positions.
What has been the weak part of the OSU defense for the past 3-4 years? It has been the defensive line as a unit. OSU has always had solid LB and DB cores, but they have lacked a full defensive line front that can dominate. They may have had a couple guys but not a deep rotation like we currently even with Larimore getting hurt.
This year OSU has two 1st rounders at the DE positions along with a solid rotation of of 5+ other guys that are very good. Its no surprise that this DL group is touted as being one of the best in the country.
They DO have the athletic ability to contain Masoli. Just look at two DE's with Gibson and Williams. Gibson has the athletic ability as he will be an OLB in the NFL and Williams is very quick. Along with Heyward, Wilson, Simon, Denlinger, Rose, and Co. this group will be all over the Oregon rushing attack.
Like I stated but yet you refuse to listen, THIS YEAR'S OSU team is different from previous season's because of the great defensive line they have. Your whole argument is how OSU has compared in previous years, this is a different defense and to not see that is truly ignorant. Having a great defensive line makes a huge difference in a defenses play.
OSU has two 1st rounder DE's on their DL, one of which runs a 4.5 40. Don't come on here and say OSU's DL looks fast because they play in the B10. Gibson's 40 in HS was 4.5, Williams was 4.67, Wilson's was 4.6. OSU hasn't had a defensive line like this in a long time. Complete with strength, speed, agility, and pure athleticism. Please do not say Oregon's lineman will be able to keep up with Gibson or Williams (both of which had great games against Texas last year, I expect the same things). You won't find too many teams that have the depth and talent at the defensive line position.
This will be the reason why OSU wins. They will be able to put pressure on Masoli in the passing game and our athletic DE's will be able to slow the option. Not too mention OSU's LB's (Rolle and Homan) are more athletic and faster than previous OSU LB's like Freeman and Laurinaitis.
OSU's defense is very good, and they have showed it all year. When your offense is anemic, and forces your defense to be on the field 2/3 or more of the game, people are going to score on you. There's a difference between realistic expectations and ridiculous expectations. Expecting to stop a bone offense, expecially one ran as well Navy runs theirs (top 5 every year in rushing yards in the NCAA) is not realistic. But I'm sure those DOMINANT Pac-10 defenses, especially Oregon's that gave up 30 or more points in each of their last 3 games, would stop them :rolleyes: Not to mention, you're talking about the FIRST game of the year. I'd be much more concerned if I was Oregon about the stat I just posted about the way they FINISHED the season, than the way they, or Ohio State, started it.
Purdue? It was a bad game. Teams have those. Did you happen to watch the Alabama/Florida game, or the BigXII championship game this past weekend? Texas looked pathetic, and Florida got pounded. Both are good teams; its D.I college football. The other guys are on scholarship too. I'll pull the SEC excuse: "It speaks to the depth and parity of our conference".
And Navy "didn't really have" a mobile QB? Then why'd he score two rushing TD's, and have over 100 yards rushing? Navy's offense RELIES on a predominantly running QB you idiot.
The only thing that will get exposed in the Rose Bowl is how shitty both of Oregon's lines are (as I've been saying for about a month now). Oregon shouldn't have come close to winning the Pac-10. Arizona and Oregon State had them beat, and handed the game back to them because of turnovers and idiotic coaching. Why did they have them beat? Because Oregon's lines were dominated for the vast majority of the game, and Masoli commits turnovers when he's under pressure. And I will bet you right now, that if OSU gets ahead, we wont hand the game back to them the way Az and Oregon State did. Tressel has shown some shortcomings as a coach, but one thing he does not do, is hand the game back to opponents on a silver platter. -
KnightRyder
boise state is a better team than OSU , maybe if you werent to busy stooping to name calling you would realize that. and where did a state that navy and oregon run the offense? can you show me?devil1197 wrote: Yeah, since Navy runs the same offense as Oregon???? Are you that stupid? If you are going to bring up games from the 1st week, then Oregon has a pathetic offense that Boise shut down and OSU will do the same. We can play the bullshit games all night if you'd like.
I am done arguing with you. It's obvious that you dislike OSU and there is no use in arguing with a idiot like you. -
KnightRyder
did i say that navy's qb wasnt mobile? i said he wasnt the dual threat qb that oregon has. oregon can actually throw the ball much better than navy. what is real funny is that you state how masoli turns the ball over when he is under pressure, like pryor doesnt. also you say that if osu is ahead they wont hand the game back them, do you mean like last year against texas or this year against USC?Red_Skin_Pride wrote:
Yeah, a 3 point win...I'd call that dominant. I bet you feel that Stanford would beat Oregon all 20 times if they played that many then???KnightRyder wrote:
first off you could play USC ten more times and they will beat you all ten. furthermore if the bucks line is that good how come navy threw up 27 on them? and why do they have a loss to a sorry purdue team. and you wont be able to stop the option you couldnt do it against navy and oregon is much more athletic and way more speed not to mention a dual threat qb that navy really didnt have. OSU once again will get exposed on the national stage.devil1197 wrote:
OSU's defense played great against USC, match those two teams up again with how the OSU offense is playing and the Buckeyes win by 14+. Your going to give up a TD late after being on the field the majority of the game.KnightRyder wrote:
okay i will explain. OSU's defense looks good when playing in the big ten . but you know what this isnt the big ten. OSU couldnt beat the fifth place team from the pac ten on their home field and yet you say they can beat the team that won the pac ten on a neutral site. the speed of the interior lineman at oregon is far superior to anything the bucks see in slow motion conference called the big ten. ohio state lineman look fast in the big ten. but when they get outside their conference they look like they are encased in cementdevil1197 wrote:
Oh really, care to explain why?KnightRyder wrote:
that is the most absurd post i ever readdevil1197 wrote:
We heard that before the Texas game also last year too.KnightRyder wrote: OSU 's defense is good as long as they are playing the meat bags of the big ten. if they gave up 27 to navy oregon, is liable to throw up 50 on them. looks like the annual january roasting of buckeyes will continue
Face it, OSU has a great defense this year because of their stellar defensive line play that they have lacked. Yeah, they may have a Gholston but not 4 guys + a steady rotation of athletic DL guys that are one of the best in the country. Their the main reason this OSU defense is truly legit this season. OSU has lacked a full defensive line for some time now but not this year. They'll be all over Masoli because they have the athletic ability that most teams lack at those positions.
What has been the weak part of the OSU defense for the past 3-4 years? It has been the defensive line as a unit. OSU has always had solid LB and DB cores, but they have lacked a full defensive line front that can dominate. They may have had a couple guys but not a deep rotation like we currently even with Larimore getting hurt.
This year OSU has two 1st rounders at the DE positions along with a solid rotation of of 5+ other guys that are very good. Its no surprise that this DL group is touted as being one of the best in the country.
They DO have the athletic ability to contain Masoli. Just look at two DE's with Gibson and Williams. Gibson has the athletic ability as he will be an OLB in the NFL and Williams is very quick. Along with Heyward, Wilson, Simon, Denlinger, Rose, and Co. this group will be all over the Oregon rushing attack.
Like I stated but yet you refuse to listen, THIS YEAR'S OSU team is different from previous season's because of the great defensive line they have. Your whole argument is how OSU has compared in previous years, this is a different defense and to not see that is truly ignorant. Having a great defensive line makes a huge difference in a defenses play.
OSU has two 1st rounder DE's on their DL, one of which runs a 4.5 40. Don't come on here and say OSU's DL looks fast because they play in the B10. Gibson's 40 in HS was 4.5, Williams was 4.67, Wilson's was 4.6. OSU hasn't had a defensive line like this in a long time. Complete with strength, speed, agility, and pure athleticism. Please do not say Oregon's lineman will be able to keep up with Gibson or Williams (both of which had great games against Texas last year, I expect the same things). You won't find too many teams that have the depth and talent at the defensive line position.
This will be the reason why OSU wins. They will be able to put pressure on Masoli in the passing game and our athletic DE's will be able to slow the option. Not too mention OSU's LB's (Rolle and Homan) are more athletic and faster than previous OSU LB's like Freeman and Laurinaitis.
OSU's defense is very good, and they have showed it all year. When your offense is anemic, and forces your defense to be on the field 2/3 or more of the game, people are going to score on you. There's a difference between realistic expectations and ridiculous expectations. Expecting to stop a bone offense, expecially one ran as well Navy runs theirs (top 5 every year in rushing yards in the NCAA) is not realistic. But I'm sure those DOMINANT Pac-10 defenses, especially Oregon's that gave up 30 or more points in each of their last 3 games, would stop them :rolleyes: Not to mention, you're talking about the FIRST game of the year. I'd be much more concerned if I was Oregon about the stat I just posted about the way they FINISHED the season, than the way they, or Ohio State, started it.
Purdue? It was a bad game. Teams have those. Did you happen to watch the Alabama/Florida game, or the BigXII championship game this past weekend? Texas looked pathetic, and Florida got pounded. Both are good teams; its D.I college football. The other guys are on scholarship too. I'll pull the SEC excuse: "It speaks to the depth and parity of our conference".
And Navy "didn't really have" a mobile QB? Then why'd he score two rushing TD's, and have over 100 yards rushing? Navy's offense RELIES on a predominantly running QB you idiot.
The only thing that will get exposed in the Rose Bowl is how shitty both of Oregon's lines are (as I've been saying for about a month now). Oregon shouldn't have come close to winning the Pac-10. Arizona and Oregon State had them beat, and handed the game back to them because of turnovers and idiotic coaching. Why did they have them beat? Because Oregon's lines were dominated for the vast majority of the game, and Masoli commits turnovers when he's under pressure. And I will bet you right now, that if OSU gets ahead, we wont hand the game back to them the way Az and Oregon State did. Tressel has shown some shortcomings as a coach, but one thing he does not do, is hand the game back to opponents on a silver platter. -
rrfan
That may be the longest post I have ever seen on the huddle. This one or the other one.
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devil1197
Right here bud. You stated that OSU couldn't stop the option against Navy how would they be able to do it against Oregon.KnightRyder wrote:
you wont be able to stop the option you couldnt do it against navy and oregon is much more athletic and way more speed not to mention a dual threat qb that navy really didnt have. OSU once again will get exposed on the national stage.devil1197 wrote:
OSU's defense played great against USC, match those two teams up again with how the OSU offense is playing and the Buckeyes win by 14+. Your going to give up a TD late after being on the field the majority of the game.KnightRyder wrote:
okay i will explain. OSU's defense looks good when playing in the big ten . but you know what this isnt the big ten. OSU couldnt beat the fifth place team from the pac ten on their home field and yet you say they can beat the team that won the pac ten on a neutral site. the speed of the interior lineman at oregon is far superior to anything the bucks see in slow motion conference called the big ten. ohio state lineman look fast in the big ten. but when they get outside their conference they look like they are encased in cementdevil1197 wrote:
Oh really, care to explain why?KnightRyder wrote:
that is the most absurd post i ever readdevil1197 wrote:
We heard that before the Texas game also last year too.KnightRyder wrote: OSU 's defense is good as long as they are playing the meat bags of the big ten. if they gave up 27 to navy oregon, is liable to throw up 50 on them. looks like the annual january roasting of buckeyes will continue
Face it, OSU has a great defense this year because of their stellar defensive line play that they have lacked. Yeah, they may have a Gholston but not 4 guys + a steady rotation of athletic DL guys that are one of the best in the country. Their the main reason this OSU defense is truly legit this season. OSU has lacked a full defensive line for some time now but not this year. They'll be all over Masoli because they have the athletic ability that most teams lack at those positions.
What has been the weak part of the OSU defense for the past 3-4 years? It has been the defensive line as a unit. OSU has always had solid LB and DB cores, but they have lacked a full defensive line front that can dominate. They may have had a couple guys but not a deep rotation like we currently even with Larimore getting hurt.
This year OSU has two 1st rounders at the DE positions along with a solid rotation of of 5+ other guys that are very good. Its no surprise that this DL group is touted as being one of the best in the country.
They DO have the athletic ability to contain Masoli. Just look at two DE's with Gibson and Williams. Gibson has the athletic ability as he will be an OLB in the NFL and Williams is very quick. Along with Heyward, Wilson, Simon, Denlinger, Rose, and Co. this group will be all over the Oregon rushing attack.
Like I stated but yet you refuse to listen, THIS YEAR'S OSU team is different from previous season's because of the great defensive line they have. Your whole argument is how OSU has compared in previous years, this is a different defense and to not see that is truly ignorant. Having a great defensive line makes a huge difference in a defenses play.
OSU has two 1st rounder DE's on their DL, one of which runs a 4.5 40. Don't come on here and say OSU's DL looks fast because they play in the B10. Gibson's 40 in HS was 4.5, Williams was 4.67, Wilson's was 4.6. OSU hasn't had a defensive line like this in a long time. Complete with strength, speed, agility, and pure athleticism. Please do not say Oregon's lineman will be able to keep up with Gibson or Williams (both of which had great games against Texas last year, I expect the same things). You won't find too many teams that have the depth and talent at the defensive line position.
This will be the reason why OSU wins. They will be able to put pressure on Masoli in the passing game and our athletic DE's will be able to slow the option. Not too mention OSU's LB's (Rolle and Homan) are more athletic and faster than previous OSU LB's like Freeman and Laurinaitis.
Well its two different offenses, I'll stoop to name calling because you have deserved it. Don't act like you didn't say it, its right there.
Their offenses are totally different, but yet you compare them.
Its hard to compare Boise to OSU. Boise can play tough teams one week but not constantly. Its hard to get up every week, Boise wouldn't be undefeated playing a BCS school schedule. -
KnightRyder
if you could comprehend what you read and it appears you cant i didnt say they ran the same offense I SAID THEY COULDNT STOP THE OPTION AGAINST NAVY AND THEY WONT BE ABLE TO STOP IT AGAINST OREGON. can you understand that ? its clear that you have the acumen of spam.no actually it easy to compare boise state to OSU because OSU hasnt played a tough team all season. and every time they have lately they got beat like a pinata. maybe if you take off the osu blinders you will things for what they are . osu is good in the big ten and no where else. so you know what come january sit there and watch your bucks get whooped in another bcs bowl game , doesnt that ever get old ?devil1197 wrote:
Right here bud. You stated that OSU couldn't stop the option against Navy how would they be able to do it against Oregon.KnightRyder wrote:
you wont be able to stop the option you couldnt do it against navy and oregon is much more athletic and way more speed not to mention a dual threat qb that navy really didnt have. OSU once again will get exposed on the national stage.devil1197 wrote:
OSU's defense played great against USC, match those two teams up again with how the OSU offense is playing and the Buckeyes win by 14+. Your going to give up a TD late after being on the field the majority of the game.KnightRyder wrote:
okay i will explain. OSU's defense looks good when playing in the big ten . but you know what this isnt the big ten. OSU couldnt beat the fifth place team from the pac ten on their home field and yet you say they can beat the team that won the pac ten on a neutral site. the speed of the interior lineman at oregon is far superior to anything the bucks see in slow motion conference called the big ten. ohio state lineman look fast in the big ten. but when they get outside their conference they look like they are encased in cementdevil1197 wrote:
Oh really, care to explain why?KnightRyder wrote:
that is the most absurd post i ever readdevil1197 wrote:
We heard that before the Texas game also last year too.KnightRyder wrote: OSU 's defense is good as long as they are playing the meat bags of the big ten. if they gave up 27 to navy oregon, is liable to throw up 50 on them. looks like the annual january roasting of buckeyes will continue
Face it, OSU has a great defense this year because of their stellar defensive line play that they have lacked. Yeah, they may have a Gholston but not 4 guys + a steady rotation of athletic DL guys that are one of the best in the country. Their the main reason this OSU defense is truly legit this season. OSU has lacked a full defensive line for some time now but not this year. They'll be all over Masoli because they have the athletic ability that most teams lack at those positions.
What has been the weak part of the OSU defense for the past 3-4 years? It has been the defensive line as a unit. OSU has always had solid LB and DB cores, but they have lacked a full defensive line front that can dominate. They may have had a couple guys but not a deep rotation like we currently even with Larimore getting hurt.
This year OSU has two 1st rounders at the DE positions along with a solid rotation of of 5+ other guys that are very good. Its no surprise that this DL group is touted as being one of the best in the country.
They DO have the athletic ability to contain Masoli. Just look at two DE's with Gibson and Williams. Gibson has the athletic ability as he will be an OLB in the NFL and Williams is very quick. Along with Heyward, Wilson, Simon, Denlinger, Rose, and Co. this group will be all over the Oregon rushing attack.
Like I stated but yet you refuse to listen, THIS YEAR'S OSU team is different from previous season's because of the great defensive line they have. Your whole argument is how OSU has compared in previous years, this is a different defense and to not see that is truly ignorant. Having a great defensive line makes a huge difference in a defenses play.
OSU has two 1st rounder DE's on their DL, one of which runs a 4.5 40. Don't come on here and say OSU's DL looks fast because they play in the B10. Gibson's 40 in HS was 4.5, Williams was 4.67, Wilson's was 4.6. OSU hasn't had a defensive line like this in a long time. Complete with strength, speed, agility, and pure athleticism. Please do not say Oregon's lineman will be able to keep up with Gibson or Williams (both of which had great games against Texas last year, I expect the same things). You won't find too many teams that have the depth and talent at the defensive line position.
This will be the reason why OSU wins. They will be able to put pressure on Masoli in the passing game and our athletic DE's will be able to slow the option. Not too mention OSU's LB's (Rolle and Homan) are more athletic and faster than previous OSU LB's like Freeman and Laurinaitis.
Well its two different offenses, I'll stoop to name calling because you have deserved it. Don't act like you didn't say it, its right there.
Their offenses are totally different, but yet you compare them.
Its hard to compare Boise to OSU. Boise can play tough teams one week but not constantly. Its hard to get up every week, Boise wouldn't be undefeated playing a BCS school schedule. -
LJ
Navy runs a Veer Triple OptionKnightRyder wrote:
if you could comprehend what you read and it appears you cant i didnt say they ran the same offense I SAID THEY COULDNT STOP THE OPTION AGAINST NAVY AND THEY WONT BE ABLE TO STOP IT AGAINST OREGON. can you understand that ? its clear that you have the acumen of spam.no actually it easy to compare boise state to OSU because OSU hasnt played a tough team all season. and every time they have lately they got beat like a pinata. maybe if you take off the osu blinders you will things for what they are . osu is good in the big ten and no where else. so you know what come january sit there and watch your bucks get whooped in another bcs bowl game , doesnt that ever get old ?
Oregon runs the zone-read
If you can't understand why that makes your comparison of OSU stopping Navy and OSU stopping Oregon ridiculous, well then I just don't know what to tell you.
I believe OSU beat 3 teams in the top 20 and 1 in the top 10. -
KnightRyder
no they just beat some big ten meat bags that shouldnt even be ratedLJ wrote:
Navy runs a Veer Triple OptionKnightRyder wrote:
if you could comprehend what you read and it appears you cant i didnt say they ran the same offense I SAID THEY COULDNT STOP THE OPTION AGAINST NAVY AND THEY WONT BE ABLE TO STOP IT AGAINST OREGON. can you understand that ? its clear that you have the acumen of spam.no actually it easy to compare boise state to OSU because OSU hasnt played a tough team all season. and every time they have lately they got beat like a pinata. maybe if you take off the osu blinders you will things for what they are . osu is good in the big ten and no where else. so you know what come january sit there and watch your bucks get whooped in another bcs bowl game , doesnt that ever get old ?
Oregon runs the zone-read
If you can't understand why that makes your comparison of OSU stopping Navy and OSU stopping Oregon ridiculous, well then I just don't know what to tell you.
I believe OSU beat 3 teams in the top 20 and 1 in the top 10. -
LJ
Ok, you're just a troll, not worth my time.KnightRyder wrote:
no they just beat some big ten meat bags that shouldnt even be ratedLJ wrote:
Navy runs a Veer Triple OptionKnightRyder wrote:
if you could comprehend what you read and it appears you cant i didnt say they ran the same offense I SAID THEY COULDNT STOP THE OPTION AGAINST NAVY AND THEY WONT BE ABLE TO STOP IT AGAINST OREGON. can you understand that ? its clear that you have the acumen of spam.no actually it easy to compare boise state to OSU because OSU hasnt played a tough team all season. and every time they have lately they got beat like a pinata. maybe if you take off the osu blinders you will things for what they are . osu is good in the big ten and no where else. so you know what come january sit there and watch your bucks get whooped in another bcs bowl game , doesnt that ever get old ?
Oregon runs the zone-read
If you can't understand why that makes your comparison of OSU stopping Navy and OSU stopping Oregon ridiculous, well then I just don't know what to tell you.
I believe OSU beat 3 teams in the top 20 and 1 in the top 10.
Thanks for wasting it until now kid. -
jpake1
Nobody has been talking about the game lately. I havn't heard too much about how practice has been going for the guys. It appears the team is very healthy.
* A bit off topic, but I keep hearing that Flash is strongly considering transfering to New Mexico because of his strong relationship with the HC. I hope this isn't taking away from his focus during Rose Bowl practice. -
Mulva
Just wanted to get in on the post waterfall.KnightRyder wrote:
if you could comprehend what you read and it appears you cant i didnt say they ran the same offense I SAID THEY COULDNT STOP THE OPTION AGAINST NAVY AND THEY WONT BE ABLE TO STOP IT AGAINST OREGON. can you understand that ? its clear that you have the acumen of spam.no actually it easy to compare boise state to OSU because OSU hasnt played a tough team all season. and every time they have lately they got beat like a pinata. maybe if you take off the osu blinders you will things for what they are . osu is good in the big ten and no where else. so you know what come january sit there and watch your bucks get whooped in another bcs bowl game , doesnt that ever get old ?devil1197 wrote:
Right here bud. You stated that OSU couldn't stop the option against Navy how would they be able to do it against Oregon.KnightRyder wrote:
you wont be able to stop the option you couldnt do it against navy and oregon is much more athletic and way more speed not to mention a dual threat qb that navy really didnt have. OSU once again will get exposed on the national stage.devil1197 wrote:
OSU's defense played great against USC, match those two teams up again with how the OSU offense is playing and the Buckeyes win by 14+. Your going to give up a TD late after being on the field the majority of the game.KnightRyder wrote:
okay i will explain. OSU's defense looks good when playing in the big ten . but you know what this isnt the big ten. OSU couldnt beat the fifth place team from the pac ten on their home field and yet you say they can beat the team that won the pac ten on a neutral site. the speed of the interior lineman at oregon is far superior to anything the bucks see in slow motion conference called the big ten. ohio state lineman look fast in the big ten. but when they get outside their conference they look like they are encased in cementdevil1197 wrote:
Oh really, care to explain why?KnightRyder wrote:
that is the most absurd post i ever readdevil1197 wrote:
We heard that before the Texas game also last year too.KnightRyder wrote: OSU 's defense is good as long as they are playing the meat bags of the big ten. if they gave up 27 to navy oregon, is liable to throw up 50 on them. looks like the annual january roasting of buckeyes will continue
Face it, OSU has a great defense this year because of their stellar defensive line play that they have lacked. Yeah, they may have a Gholston but not 4 guys + a steady rotation of athletic DL guys that are one of the best in the country. Their the main reason this OSU defense is truly legit this season. OSU has lacked a full defensive line for some time now but not this year. They'll be all over Masoli because they have the athletic ability that most teams lack at those positions.
What has been the weak part of the OSU defense for the past 3-4 years? It has been the defensive line as a unit. OSU has always had solid LB and DB cores, but they have lacked a full defensive line front that can dominate. They may have had a couple guys but not a deep rotation like we currently even with Larimore getting hurt.
This year OSU has two 1st rounders at the DE positions along with a solid rotation of of 5+ other guys that are very good. Its no surprise that this DL group is touted as being one of the best in the country.
They DO have the athletic ability to contain Masoli. Just look at two DE's with Gibson and Williams. Gibson has the athletic ability as he will be an OLB in the NFL and Williams is very quick. Along with Heyward, Wilson, Simon, Denlinger, Rose, and Co. this group will be all over the Oregon rushing attack.
Like I stated but yet you refuse to listen, THIS YEAR'S OSU team is different from previous season's because of the great defensive line they have. Your whole argument is how OSU has compared in previous years, this is a different defense and to not see that is truly ignorant. Having a great defensive line makes a huge difference in a defenses play.
OSU has two 1st rounder DE's on their DL, one of which runs a 4.5 40. Don't come on here and say OSU's DL looks fast because they play in the B10. Gibson's 40 in HS was 4.5, Williams was 4.67, Wilson's was 4.6. OSU hasn't had a defensive line like this in a long time. Complete with strength, speed, agility, and pure athleticism. Please do not say Oregon's lineman will be able to keep up with Gibson or Williams (both of which had great games against Texas last year, I expect the same things). You won't find too many teams that have the depth and talent at the defensive line position.
This will be the reason why OSU wins. They will be able to put pressure on Masoli in the passing game and our athletic DE's will be able to slow the option. Not too mention OSU's LB's (Rolle and Homan) are more athletic and faster than previous OSU LB's like Freeman and Laurinaitis.
Well its two different offenses, I'll stoop to name calling because you have deserved it. Don't act like you didn't say it, its right there.
Their offenses are totally different, but yet you compare them.
Its hard to compare Boise to OSU. Boise can play tough teams one week but not constantly. Its hard to get up every week, Boise wouldn't be undefeated playing a BCS school schedule.