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Mulva

dat dude wrote: Oregon opens as a 2 point favorite.

Oregon is -3.5 on bookmaker and 5 dimes.

Red_Skin_Pride

This game will be largely dictated by turnovers. As someone mentioned before, Oregon has had a tendency to cough up the football, and OSU's defense is one of the best in the nation at getting those turnovers. Also, I have stated for weeks now (even started a thread about it the night of the Oregon/Arizona game) that OSU's lines are better than Oregon's lines. I think it'll be fairly even when Oregon runs the ball, but from watching Oregon 3 times this year, I don't see how they will stop our pass rush when Masoli drops back. I also don't think you'll see Masoli running over OSU's defenders on 4th and 3 if the game's on the line. Something tells me if Kurt Coleman were playing for Oregon State thursday night, we would be talking about playing THEM in this game, and not Oregon. Blount will play, A LOT. He is a big, strong runner with quick feet. Actually reminds me a lot of Beanie; but, the Big10 traditionally features backs like this, and so I don't think OSU will be suprised by him. However, the guy OSU has to hold in check is LaMichael James. He did a great job filling in basically the whole season with Blount out, and with his combination of moves, tough running, and speed he reminds me a lot of a bigger version of McKnight at USC. Oregon also has a fantastic receiver in Jeff Maehle. He reminds me a LOT of Anthony Gonzalez; I think OSU's secondary has the speed, but we're going to have to stick with him because every game I've seen this year, he is great at finding the soft spots and has a knack for being open AND making the tough grabs. He's a late-round NFL calibur receiver IMO. As for Pryor and the offense, holding on to the ball is going to be paramount. They must not fumble in their own end of the field, and give Masoli and co. a short field to work with. I think they may get a pick or two from Pryor, but if it's on a long pass and we make the tackle right away, that's not near as bad as giving them a short field (basically like a punt). Now if we could NOT turn it over at all, that would obviously be the best scenario, but I'm trying to be realistic. I think if we can get a solid night out of the running game, we will have a great shot. Oregon's offense is their best unit, so if we can control the clock somewhat, and limit their touches, it will be a ball game. I would say if we can hit the 200 yard mark between Boom, Zoom and Pryor, we will have a great shot. Also, the guy I've been waiting on to show up & grow up all season is Duron Carter. I know people say all the time that Pryor "only looks for Posey". Well hell, wouldn't you when he's you only legitimate weapon on the outside? Sanzenbacher is good, and he will be a key to keeping the chains moving in the short-intermediate passing game, but he doesn't stretch the field like Posey, and he doesn't have the size or good speed (4.5 is great for a guy who is 6'4-6'5) of Carter. And we NEED Carter to show up. He's going to have a considerable height advantage over anyone in the Ducks secondary, and he has hands like velcro (thank you Chris). However, he just hasn't put it all together yet. I think in addition to Pryor having a big game, in order for him to do that, Carter has to have his coming out party. He doesn't have to load the receiving duties on to his back and carry the passing game, but he does need have 5-7 catches for around a 100 yards. He is capable of doing that, and we need him to do that. If he does, Posey will be wide ass open on the other side by the time the 4th quarter rolls around.

And lastly, OSU's offensive line needs to show progression in this game the same way they did finishing the last several games of the regular season. As does Pryor. It would be nice to see OSU steam-roll Oregon's defense and just completely manhandle them, but that probably isn't going to happen. But we need them to give Pryor time to pass, and we need them to come off the ball and finish their blocks in the run game. This game, as most games go, will be won in the trenches. If OSU's line has a good night, it will be 10x's easier for Pryor to have a good night, and make fewer mistakes. I think 30 is the magic number for OSU's offense. If the offense can score more than 30, with the advantage our defense line has over Oregon, we should realistically be able to win this game. Personally, I would love to see Pryor, Boom, and Zoom all with a rushing TD, and Pryor throw 2 more. That would be 35 points; with Tressel you know there will be FG's, so I would say if we scored that many TD's, the score would be 38 or 41. I don't think OSU makes it into the 40's so I'll go with:

OSU 38
Oregon 28

with OSU trailing 28-24 at the start of the 4th quarter, OSU's defense tightens up and begins to wear down Oregon's offensive line, Masoli commits a costly turnover that changes momentum and Pryor runs in the go-ahead TD. OSU stops Oregon one last time, forcing them to punt, and OSU grinds out the last 9-10 mins off the game with Pryor, Boom, Zoom, and Hall, punching it in for good measure with about 1-2 mins left in the game for a 10 point victory.

Cleveland Buck

5-7 catches in the first 3 quarters? Pryor might not throw 5-7 passes in the first 3 quarters. I just hope we look better than Nebraska did running the ball 90% of the time.

0311sdp

Controlling Masoli is the key to winning.

devil1197

Pettrey is working hard to get back on the field for OSU. He may be able to kick for the Buckeyes.

thedynasty1998

0311sdp wrote: Controlling Masoli is the key to winning.

Really?!

Strapping Young Lad

Heretic wrote: Bucks won't be able to rely on Tressel-ball to win. They'll have to open things up and not play so conservatively because Oregon's a lot more explosive than any of the offenses they've faced so far.

That's been the case before...I thought for sure he'd take some chances at HOME against USC and their high school QB, but he still played scared....He could've gone for TD on 4th and goal instead of playing the safe FG...The worst that could've happened is he gets stopped and has USC and HS QB backed down in their own end zone in a very loud staudium....But..

Is it going to change now????

KnightRyder

devil1197 wrote:
KnightRyder wrote: OSU 's defense is good as long as they are playing the meat bags of the big ten. if they gave up 27 to navy oregon, is liable to throw up 50 on them. looks like the annual january roasting of buckeyes will continue
We heard that before the Texas game also last year too.

Face it, OSU has a great defense this year because of their stellar defensive line play that they have lacked. Yeah, they may have a Gholston but not 4 guys + a steady rotation of athletic DL guys that are one of the best in the country. Their the main reason this OSU defense is truly legit this season. OSU has lacked a full defensive line for some time now but not this year. They'll be all over Masoli because they have the athletic ability that most teams lack at those positions.

that is the most absurd post i ever read

devil1197

KnightRyder wrote:
devil1197 wrote:
KnightRyder wrote: OSU 's defense is good as long as they are playing the meat bags of the big ten. if they gave up 27 to navy oregon, is liable to throw up 50 on them. looks like the annual january roasting of buckeyes will continue
We heard that before the Texas game also last year too.

Face it, OSU has a great defense this year because of their stellar defensive line play that they have lacked. Yeah, they may have a Gholston but not 4 guys + a steady rotation of athletic DL guys that are one of the best in the country. Their the main reason this OSU defense is truly legit this season. OSU has lacked a full defensive line for some time now but not this year. They'll be all over Masoli because they have the athletic ability that most teams lack at those positions.
that is the most absurd post i ever read

Oh really, care to explain why?

What has been the weak part of the OSU defense for the past 3-4 years? It has been the defensive line as a unit. OSU has always had solid LB and DB cores, but they have lacked a full defensive line front that can dominate. They may have had a couple guys but not a deep rotation like we currently even with Larimore getting hurt.

This year OSU has two 1st rounders at the DE positions along with a solid rotation of of 5+ other guys that are very good. Its no surprise that this DL group is touted as being one of the best in the country.

They DO have the athletic ability to contain Masoli. Just look at two DE's with Gibson and Williams. Gibson has the athletic ability as he will be an OLB in the NFL and Williams is very quick. Along with Heyward, Wilson, Simon, Denlinger, Rose, and Co. this group will be all over the Oregon rushing attack.

RedRider1

Cant believe we're 114 posts in and no chatter about uniforms. (except GoJPM's talk of red shoes)

Which of Oregon's hundreds of combinations will they wear for their biggest exposure game they've had in years.

Is OSU home or away? Does it alternate, depend on higher rank?

JPM,
Here you go...

gobucks

scroll to the bottom of the link and it states the bucks will be in white and have the west bench

http://www.theozone.net/football/2009/postseason/invitation.htm

Sage

Pryor not being an idiot (never a given) is the key to this game.

Boise absolutely owned this offense and our defense is a lot better than Boise's. We'll win this game in the same fashion they did. Oregon's defense is awful.

slide22

No turnovers and run the football well and Ohio State wins easily. Oregon hasn't played a defense anywhere close to this.

KnightRyder

devil1197 wrote:
KnightRyder wrote:
devil1197 wrote:
KnightRyder wrote: OSU 's defense is good as long as they are playing the meat bags of the big ten. if they gave up 27 to navy oregon, is liable to throw up 50 on them. looks like the annual january roasting of buckeyes will continue
We heard that before the Texas game also last year too.

Face it, OSU has a great defense this year because of their stellar defensive line play that they have lacked. Yeah, they may have a Gholston but not 4 guys + a steady rotation of athletic DL guys that are one of the best in the country. Their the main reason this OSU defense is truly legit this season. OSU has lacked a full defensive line for some time now but not this year. They'll be all over Masoli because they have the athletic ability that most teams lack at those positions.
that is the most absurd post i ever read
Oh really, care to explain why?

What has been the weak part of the OSU defense for the past 3-4 years? It has been the defensive line as a unit. OSU has always had solid LB and DB cores, but they have lacked a full defensive line front that can dominate. They may have had a couple guys but not a deep rotation like we currently even with Larimore getting hurt.

This year OSU has two 1st rounders at the DE positions along with a solid rotation of of 5+ other guys that are very good. Its no surprise that this DL group is touted as being one of the best in the country.

They DO have the athletic ability to contain Masoli. Just look at two DE's with Gibson and Williams. Gibson has the athletic ability as he will be an OLB in the NFL and Williams is very quick. Along with Heyward, Wilson, Simon, Denlinger, Rose, and Co. this group will be all over the Oregon rushing attack.

okay i will explain. OSU's defense looks good when playing in the big ten . but you know what this isnt the big ten. OSU couldnt beat the fifth place team from the pac ten on their home field and yet you say they can beat the team that won the pac ten on a neutral site. the speed of the interior lineman at oregon is far superior to anything the bucks see in slow motion conference called the big ten. ohio state lineman look fast in the big ten. but when they get outside their conference they look like they are encased in cement

devil1197

KnightRyder wrote:
devil1197 wrote:
KnightRyder wrote:
devil1197 wrote:
KnightRyder wrote: OSU 's defense is good as long as they are playing the meat bags of the big ten. if they gave up 27 to navy oregon, is liable to throw up 50 on them. looks like the annual january roasting of buckeyes will continue
We heard that before the Texas game also last year too.

Face it, OSU has a great defense this year because of their stellar defensive line play that they have lacked. Yeah, they may have a Gholston but not 4 guys + a steady rotation of athletic DL guys that are one of the best in the country. Their the main reason this OSU defense is truly legit this season. OSU has lacked a full defensive line for some time now but not this year. They'll be all over Masoli because they have the athletic ability that most teams lack at those positions.
that is the most absurd post i ever read
Oh really, care to explain why?

What has been the weak part of the OSU defense for the past 3-4 years? It has been the defensive line as a unit. OSU has always had solid LB and DB cores, but they have lacked a full defensive line front that can dominate. They may have had a couple guys but not a deep rotation like we currently even with Larimore getting hurt.

This year OSU has two 1st rounders at the DE positions along with a solid rotation of of 5+ other guys that are very good. Its no surprise that this DL group is touted as being one of the best in the country.

They DO have the athletic ability to contain Masoli. Just look at two DE's with Gibson and Williams. Gibson has the athletic ability as he will be an OLB in the NFL and Williams is very quick. Along with Heyward, Wilson, Simon, Denlinger, Rose, and Co. this group will be all over the Oregon rushing attack.
okay i will explain. OSU's defense looks good when playing in the big ten . but you know what this isnt the big ten. OSU couldnt beat the fifth place team from the pac ten on their home field and yet you say they can beat the team that won the pac ten on a neutral site. the speed of the interior lineman at oregon is far superior to anything the bucks see in slow motion conference called the big ten. ohio state lineman look fast in the big ten. but when they get outside their conference they look like they are encased in cement

OSU's defense played great against USC, match those two teams up again with how the OSU offense is playing and the Buckeyes win by 14+. Your going to give up a TD late after being on the field the majority of the game.

Like I stated but yet you refuse to listen, THIS YEAR'S OSU team is different from previous season's because of the great defensive line they have. Your whole argument is how OSU has compared in previous years, this is a different defense and to not see that is truly ignorant. Having a great defensive line makes a huge difference in a defenses play.

OSU has two 1st rounder DE's on their DL, one of which runs a 4.5 40. Don't come on here and say OSU's DL looks fast because they play in the B10. Gibson's 40 in HS was 4.5, Williams was 4.67, Wilson's was 4.6. OSU hasn't had a defensive line like this in a long time. Complete with strength, speed, agility, and pure athleticism. Please do not say Oregon's lineman will be able to keep up with Gibson or Williams (both of which had great games against Texas last year, I expect the same things). You won't find too many teams that have the depth and talent at the defensive line position.

This will be the reason why OSU wins. They will be able to put pressure on Masoli in the passing game and our athletic DE's will be able to slow the option. Not too mention OSU's LB's (Rolle and Homan) are more athletic and faster than previous OSU LB's like Freeman and Laurinaitis.

jpake1

Devil- What makes OSU dline great? IMO they're very good, but not great. A great dline would have got pressure against Purdue. Truth is this-- there were a few games where the dline didn't do much. For whatever reason, many OSU fans forget this. They didn't have a problem during the games yelling at the guys for not getting pressure.

SQ_Crazies

All great lines get neutralized somewhere. Happened to the Vikings last night and was the difference in the game IMO--an offensive line will win the battle almost every time if they're focused enough. OSU fell asleep against Purdue and Purdue executed on more downs than we did. I think they're great, certainly the best Oregon has seen.

devil1197

jpake1 wrote: Devil- What makes OSU dline great? IMO they're very good, but not great. A great dline would have got pressure against Purdue. Truth is this-- there were a few games where the dline didn't do much. For whatever reason, many OSU fans forget this. They didn't have a problem during the games yelling at the guys for not getting pressure.

OSU's defense had 1 bad game all year and that was Purdue. In fact the whole team had a bad game, it was a fluke and most agree. How many times has a Tressel coached team played like that against a B10 team? Not many, it rarely happens but it sure did happen that day.

When have OSU fans every had a problem yelling at any player on the team? They will be cursing Pryor one play and praising him the next when he throws a TD. OSU fans expect perfection on every play, if that's your argument then ok!

Its no surprise that many people in the country believe that OSU has one of the best defensive lines in the country behind Bama. OSU is very deep with athletic players that they have lacked recently. They won't have guys that put up huge stats, main reason that many were snubbed on the B10 teams.

jpake1

Agree to disagree.

SQ_Crazies

Birdman, did you watch the Vikings game last night?

I'm not jumping into this argument, just want to know if you know what I mean. You wouldn't say the Vikings d-line is anything but great would you?

jpake1

devil1197 wrote:
jpake1 wrote: Devil- What makes OSU dline great? IMO they're very good, but not great. A great dline would have got pressure against Purdue. Truth is this-- there were a few games where the dline didn't do much. For whatever reason, many OSU fans forget this. They didn't have a problem during the games yelling at the guys for not getting pressure.
OSU's defense had 1 bad game all year and that was Purdue. In fact the whole team had a bad game, it was a fluke and most agree. How many times has a Tressel coached team played like that against a B10 team? Not many.

When have OSU fans every had a problem yelling at any player on the team? They will be cursing Pryor one play and praising him the next when he throws a TD. OSU fans expect perfection on every play, if that's your argument then ok!

Its not surprise that many people in the country believe that OSU has one of the best defensive lines in the country behind Bama. OSU is very deep with athletic players. They won't have guys that put up huge stats, main reason that many were snubbed on the B10 teams.

I'm talking about the dline in general. They played quite poorly against Purdue and didn't get a lot of pressure against Iowa. The defense as a whole didn't play too bad in those games. I'm just pointing out that there were two games when OSU dline was barely getting any pressure on the QB's.

What does it matter if that game was a fluke or if it doesn't happen a lot under JT? My arguement isn't around the basis of OSU fans being pissed during the game. It was merely a statement to show that some people now have a short memory.

OSU without a doubt has one of the best dlines in the country. I called them very good, just not great.

jpake1

I think the Vikings have a very good dline, but not a great. I believe the have the best in the league, but not quite in the elite status of greatness. I do however get what you're implying.. that even the best dlines don't perform to their expectations every now and then. I agree with that as well. I just see a difference between getting outdone by a team that went to the superbowl last year and a team that wasn't .500 in a conference that doesn't have the best reputation at the moment. Not a knock on anybody. I just save the word greatness for the elite status that very few reach.

SQ_Crazies

Well if they're the best in the league (which I agree, don't see how anyone could think differently) then they currently define greatness IMO. But I understand what you're saying. When I look at the numbers though, and how long they've sustained them, I'd definitely call them great. They were totally shut down by the Cardinals though--it was nothing more than a good game plan and their players staying focused and playing assignment football on just about every down.

The run game is different obviously, but just about any line in the league could neutralize the pass rush if they really game plan for it--but then again, a lot of teams don't have as good an offense as the Cards to be able to focus that much of the plan on blocking schemes. But they knew that, and shutting down that pass rush was the difference in the game from what I saw because we all know the Vikings defense ISN'T great behind that d-line, so they live off the pressure.

But that's what I saw against Purdue, they just blocked well and I think you'd agree that our d-line is about 80% of the reason our defense is as good as it is. Behind the line the Bucks defense is highly overrated--including Coleman. They got shut off against Purdue because their guys executed that game plan all day. And our offense shit a brick, no surprise there. But I don't see that happening against Oregon--I just don't think that's the way they game plan. They don't worry about the other teams defense, they just do their thing--which is why in a few games I think their offense hasn't been as productive. A defense will sneak up and surprise them, doesn't happen often but this is definitely the best D they've seen. It did happen against Boise and against UCLA, which oddly enough is the only Oregon game I watched this season other than Boise and Oregon State. And UCLA has a pretty solid D, they held the Ducks far under their season average. I think the Buckeye defense will dominate the game but they're still going to find ways to score a few times--just a matter of our offense discovering the endzone.

devil1197

If their one of the best in the country, then their great. That's like saying Tebow is one of the best college QB's in the country along with McCoy. Their both great college QB's, the same can be said about Bama and OSU's defensive line.

Every team will have an off day and specific units will not play well. It happens but the fact is the DL has been very good this year and has tremendous depth.

newarkcatholicfan

I do think Coach Jim T. will do as he has done in big games against highly-rated opponents thus causing the Buckeyes once again to be defeated by a team they should easily have defeated.

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