Mich St @ Ohio St - Tues. 2/15 - 9:00 pm - ESPN
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SportsAndLady
wildcats20;676740 wrote:The number 1 seed doesn't NOT get the 4th 2 seed.
Soo they do get the 4th 2 seed?
lol im messing with you
And yes Duke last year had the easiest run possible to the final four..i was so pissed KU got the hardest bracket and Duke got that horseshit -
wildcats20
SportsAndLady;676787 wrote:Soo they do get the 4th 2 seed?
lol im messing with you
And yes Duke last year had the easiest run possible to the final four..i was so pissed KU got the hardest bracket and Duke got that horseshit
lol good ole double negatives
Of course I mean doesn't get. -
reclegend22
Saliva tossing, what a nice way to compliment your team on an afternoon well done.Tiger2003 wrote:Sullinger claims Wisc fans spit on his face before and after them game.
wildcats23 wrote:It isn't a poll of the top 25 teams that week, it's a season long poll and it should be looked at that way each week.
OSU is the top team in the country, even with the loss, and should be atop the polls.
I concur in reply to your Top 25 argument, and more voters should apply this philosophy. There needs to be a healthier balance between voters using the what-have-you-done-for-me-in-the-last-92-hours school of thought and the one that places noted significance on overall season productivity. Syracuse is a perfect example of a team that, of recent, has done absolutely nothing in the last "92 hours" -- hell, in 2011 -- and has still maintained a consistent, high position in the polls due to voters' consideration of Syracuse as a worthy top team, but one impeded by injury. That said, season-long objectivity can only go so far. The Orange have now not only suffered a streak of four losses in a row, but also have lost six of eight. If the Orange are still ranked this week, then so should the Long Island Seawolves (based on the fact that they play in the proximity of really good playground basketball).
But I believe Texas is the hottest team in the country right now. The Longhorns have won 16 of 17, including victory at #1 Kansas that broke the Jayhawks' near 70-game winning streak at Allen, and haven't trailed in a game since Jan. 16. The only loss was on a buzzer beater by top ten UConn's Kemba Walker, a national player of the year candidate. Currently, Texas has reeled off 10 straight. They are as hot as anyone and, IMO, deserve the top spot ahead of KU. -
ytownfootball
reclegend22;676864 wrote:
But I believe Texas is the hottest team in the country right now. The Longhorns have won 16 of 17, including victory at #1 Kansas that broke the Jayhawks' near 70-game winning streak at Allen, and haven't trailed in a game since Jan. 16. The only loss was on a buzzer beater by top ten UConn's Kemba Walker, a national player of the year candidate. Currently, Texas has reeled off 10 straight. They are as hot as anyone and, IMO, deserve the top spot ahead of KU.
So, if I'm reading this right, you have 24-1 Ohio State who lost at Wiscy as #3... -
reclegend22
By overly using the word hot I, of course, contradict myself slightly in light of my argument about the Top 25's not being about "who's good this week." But by hot, I mean playing the best basketball in the country over the longest period of time, against the toughest competition. And I believe Texas is that team.
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ytownfootball
Well, you kinda contradict yourself in that whole post...Lol
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reclegend22
Nope. I have Texas jumping Kansas (due to the reasons I listed above, and the fact that Texas won AT Kansas) and Ohio State falling out of the number one spot (not because of losing, but because the Buckeyes lost during a stretch where Texas is at No. 3 and playing the best ball in the nation and deserves the jump). So, in my rankings, 1. Texas 2. Ohio State 3. Kansas.ytownfootball wrote:So, if I'm reading this right, you have 24-1 Ohio State who lost at Wiscy as #3... -
reclegend22
How's that?ytownfootball wrote:Well, you kinda contradict yourself in that whole post...Lol -
Y-Town Steelhound
If Ohio State gets a #1 seed, they will be in Cleveland. Don't forget that Gene Smith is the head of the tourney committee this year. -
SportsAndLady
reclegend22;676887 wrote:Nope. I have Texas jumping Kansas (due to the reasons I listed above, and the fact that Texas won AT Kansas) and Ohio State falling out of the number one spot (not because of losing, but because the Buckeyes lost during a stretch where Texas is at No. 3 and playing the best ball in the nation and deserves the jump). So, in my rankings, 1. Texas 2. Ohio State 3. Kansas.
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reclegend22
ytownfootball:
I can see where my mention of Syracuse's sustained poll position this year, despite fading week-by-week, would seem to dispute my claim that the voters don't do a good enough job of valuing the entire season. I intended, however, to use this year's Syracuse team as an example of when the voters "get it right" by evaluating the big picture. The Orangemen are a very good team, and at 18-4 (with losses at #4 Pitt, #7 Villanova and Marquette) probably still deserved a Top 25 ranking. And by being in the top 25 despite four straight defeats (including a loss to the 11-14 Pirates of Seton Hall), Syracuse would prove my point about the "healthy balance" of overall season and current productivity..
Bottom line, I contradicted myself in that entire post. Lol. Nevermind, I surrender that one. -
reclegend22
Texas, with 10 straight victories (including at Allen) and 16 of 17 overall, gets placed above Kansas. So that puts Texas at No. 1, IMO. The Longhorns have won their last 10 Big XII games by margins of 31, 20, 21, 11 (at KU), 15, 13, 20, 16, 16 and 9 (the Baylor game, but it was more like a 15-point win).SportsAndLady wrote:You have Kansas dropping a spot after 2 blowout victories? lol
The harder decision was who gets the two spot, OSU or Kansas? It could really go either way. OSU was undefeated at 24-0 and lost its first game at Wisconsin, which is something like 114-11 at home under Bo Ryan. Kansas stands at 22-1 and has won six straight by 13 points or more, despite injuries along the way. Teams that haven't lost in previous poll weeks can and do get jumped. It happens. Not often, but occasionally. KU or OSU is a coin flip, IMO. But Texas deserves the top spot. -
SportsAndLady
reclegend22;676940 wrote:The Longhorns have won their last 10 Big XII games by margins of 31, 20, 21, 11 (at KU), 15, 13, 20, 16, 16 and 9 (the Baylor game, but it was more like a 15-point win)
And the Jayhawks have won their last 7 games (excluding the UT game, obviously) by margins of 20, 4, 24, 22, 20, 17, and 23.
Both teams are extremely hot right now, the UT game was a result of Thomas Robinson's mother dying hours before the game and the team too mentally drained to play a top team. KU wins if she didn't die, and KU will beat UT in Kansas City next month.
You can twist it however you want (saying Texas being placed above Kansas, instead of Kansas dropping a spot), but you don't drop a team for winning two games by 17+. -
reclegend22
And you'll probably end up being right. I wouldn't be surprised at all to see KU move to 1, OSU to 2 and Texas remain at 3. Or OSU stay at 1 and KU at 2. That shouldn't be how it plays out, though. Regardless of everything else, my main argument was Texas being the new No. 1. That's where I think Texas deserves to be after OSU losing at the precise moment when the No. 3 Longhorns have already beaten the No. 2 team as part of the most impressive winning streak in the country. Kansas is playing really well, but Texas is a notch higher right now.SportAndLady wrote:Both teams are extremely hot right now, the UT game was a result of Thomas Robinson's mother dying hours before the game and the team too mentally drained to play a top team. KU wins if she didn't die, and KU will beat UT in Kansas City next month.
You can twist it however you want (saying Texas being placed above Kansas, instead of Kansas dropping a spot), but you don't drop a team for winning two games by 17+.
As for dead bodies affecting the outcomes of hoop-shoot contests, I'm not sure that applies to Top 25 polls. But I do understand your stance there with regard to that particular night itself. -
vball10setSportsAndLady;676958 wrote:.... the UT game was a result of Thomas Robinson's mother dying hours before the game and the team too mentally drained to play a top team. KU wins if she didn't die.....
lol-come on now, S&L-- this is a reach even by your standards :rolleyes:
fwiw, my top 5
Texas
Kansas
OSU
Pitt
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SportsAndLady
vball10set;676993 wrote:lol-come on now, S&L-- this is a reach even by your standards :rolleyes:
fwiw, my top 5
Texas
Kansas
OSU
Pitt
Duke
It's a reach to say KU would have extended their 69 game home win streak to 70 games if their players were not up all night crying the night before?
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vball10set"KU wins if she didn't die"? how in the hell do you know that?? you weren't making an assumption, you were making a statement....and I don't think it's ridiculous at all to think that Texas could've/would've beaten Kansas whether she died or not, but we'll have to wait until they play again to find out now, won't we.
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SportsAndLady
vball10set;677026 wrote:"KU wins if she doesn't die"? how in the hell do you know that?? you weren't making an assumption, you were making a statement....and I don't think it's ridiculous at all to think that Texas could've/would've beaten Kansas whether she died or not, but we'll have to wait until they play again to find out.
We will never find out because the game will never be played at AFH, where KU has won nearly 70 games in a row. -
vball10setSportsAndLady;677028 wrote:We will never find out because the game will never be played at AFH, where KU has won nearly 70 games in a row.
...I know, they'll be playing in KC, which will be a truer test as to who the better team is-- good luck, rockchalk
back to the topic...
OSU 79
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SportsAndLady
vball10set;677036 wrote:...I know, they'll be playing in KC, which will be a truer test as to who the better team is-- good luck, rockchalk
We were talking about whether UT could beat KU in Lawrence..you said we'll have to wait til KC to find out....well no, we won't. -
ytownfootball
Happens to me all the time!!!reclegend22;676933 wrote:ytownfootball:
I can see where my mention of Syracuse's sustained poll position this year, despite fading week-by-week, would seem to dispute my claim that the voters don't do a good enough job of valuing the entire season. I intended, however, to use this year's Syracuse team as an example of when the voters "get it right" by evaluating the big picture. The Orangemen are a very good team, and at 18-4 (with losses at #4 Pitt, #7 Villanova and Marquette) probably still deserved a Top 25 ranking. And by being in the top 25 despite four straight defeats (including a loss to the 11-14 Pirates of Seton Hall), Syracuse would prove my point about the "healthy balance" of overall season and current productivity..
Bottom line, I contradicted myself in that entire post. Lol. Nevermind, I surrender that one.
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reclegend22
^^Lol.
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athlete37
reclegend22;676887 wrote:Nope. I have Texas jumping Kansas (due to the reasons I listed above, and the fact that Texas won AT Kansas) and Ohio State falling out of the number one spot (not because of losing, but because the Buckeyes lost during a stretch where Texas is at No. 3 and playing the best ball in the nation and deserves the jump). So, in my rankings, 1. Texas 2. Ohio State 3. Kansas.
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centralbucksfanvball10set;676993 wrote:lol-come on now, S&L-- this is a reach even by your standards :rolleyes:
fwiw, my top 5
Texas
Kansas
OSU
Pitt
Duke
If KU had won the game, he would have twisted it in a fashion of them overcoming such huge adversity to win, and won for her and their teammate. They lost, so now he uses it as an excuse. Either way, he would have twisted it the way he wanted.
IMO, it should have been a motivation. Many, many a team has had to deal with adversity, and turned it into a positive. Its all the feel good stories we see all the time.
BTW, The top two in no order, will in fact be OSU or Kansas. Texas will stay at 3. -
SportsAndLady
centralbucksfan;677160 wrote:If KU had won the game, he would have twisted it in a fashion of them overcoming such huge adversity to win, and won for her and their teammate. They lost, so now he uses it as an excuse. Either way, he would have twisted it the way he wanted.
IMO, it should have been a motivation. Many, many a team has had to deal with adversity, and turned it into a positive. Its all the feel good stories we see all the time.
LOL
a) when has a team ever had one of their player's mom die the night before a game?
b) If KU would have won, they would have overcome huge adversity..that's a fact. How would that be twisting?
c) The motivation lasted for a while, as KU got off to a 16-2 start to the game. Then the adrenaline wore off due to getting an hour of sleep and staying up all night crying with a teammate who they consider family.