Boise Stae vs Nevada

• hoops23

  

  athlete37;577783 wrote:My point was it's not an awful loss. No they shouldn't be in consideration for the NC Game, but they're not complete fakes. If you do wanna go that route tho, the Illinois team OSU lost to at home in November of 2007 was unranked. OSU still went to the title. Different year, but still

  
  OSU still went on because they had the SOS to do so. Not only that, but the loss was early and teams in front of the Bucks continued to lose as the season went on.
  
  Boise St plays a crap schedule. And yes, I consider Nevada a bad loss. In fact, there is no such thing as a "good loss"...
  
  Nevada lost to Hawaii and hasn't played a good schedule in their own right.
• hoops23

  

  athlete37;577783 wrote:My point was it's not an awful loss. No they shouldn't be in consideration for the NC Game, but they're not complete fakes. If you do wanna go that route tho, the Illinois team OSU lost to at home in November of 2007 was unranked. OSU still went to the title. Different year, but still

  
  OSU still went on because they had the SOS to do so.
  
  Boise St plays a crap schedule. And yes, I consider Nevada a bad loss. In fact, there is no such thing as a "good loss"...
  
  Nevada lost to Hawaii and hasn't played a good schedule in their own right.
• dwccrew

  

  Footwedge;576753 wrote:Because the kicker missed 2 chip shots? Boise State also got homered beyond belief tonight by the refs. Absolutely terrible.
  
  BSU would be favored over TCU, LSU, Wisky and probably even Stanford in their bowl game this year.

  Boise St. wouldn't be favored over any of these teams now. I think they could beat LSU and TCU, but Wisky wouldn't destroy them. Wisky has possibly the best running attack in the nation and NEVADA just ran down BSU's throat. Imagine what Monty Ball, James White and John Clay would do. Stanford would also dial BSU.
  

  sportswizuhrd;576768 wrote:Kind of reminds me when OSU was favored by 15 against Illinois in 07 and blew it. Only differences (other than obvious difference that BSU could never get into title game with a loss) are that OSU lost earlier and it was a home game for the Bucks. But they should have blown the fuck out of the powerhouse that was the 7-3 Fightin' Illini, right? OSU benefited from all the teams ahead of them losing to make it to the championship game.

  I don't really understand your point. Yes, OSU lost to Illinois, but they also had a better SOS and better wins on their schedule that season compared to BSU this season. BSU's SOS has always been in question which is why they MUST win every game to even try to get into the title game and other teams like Ohio State, Oklahoma, Florida etc. can get in with 1 loss. They play tougher schedules.
  

  Hb31187;576817 wrote:Losing on the road to a top 25 team=Terrible.
  
  So what was OSU last year losing to Purdue? A fucking embarrassment, and an absolutely HORRID team haha?

  Again, what does Ohio State have to do with Boise St.? Ohio State lost to Purdue and were clearly not title contenders, just as Boise St. is clearly not a national championship caliber team this season, just as OSU wasn't last season. You don't help your argument by comparing a non championship caliber team from last season to a non championship caliber team from this season.
  

  jordo212000;577655 wrote:I'm shocked that Boise lost this game but I really don't understand how people are now saying that Boise=terrible. They lost to a top 20 football team on the road. Some of you guys get locked in 1994 sometimes. Just because Nevada doesn't have black and white footage at the Rose Bowl doesn't mean they don't have a good team/good program.
  
  Boise is still a great team, they just blew it in this game. Now they will likely be resigned to some bowl game before Christmas, which is a shame. But hey, that's the cards their dealt and they didn't make the best of them.

  
  No one is saying BSU is terrible, just that they are not a championship caliber team this year. And really, Nevada a great program? This is their first win ever over a top ten team and that top ten team was Boise St. Also, this is the first time in like 40-50+ years that Nevada was ranked. Don't give me the Nevada is a great program talk.....shit, their schedule was worse than BSU's.
• sportswizuhrd

  Had Boise won by a FG, I think Nevada stays in the top 25 and thus giving Boise more wins over current top 25 teams than OSU.
• Cleveland Buck

  

  sportswizuhrd;578369 wrote:Had Boise won by a FG, I think Nevada stays in the top 25 and thus giving Boise more wins over current top 25 teams than OSU.

  
  Yeah, sorry to tell you, they lost.
• enigmaax

  Cleveland Buck;578408 wrote:Yeah, sorry to tell you, they lost.

  
  Yeah, my thought was "who fucking cares"?
• sportswizuhrd

  Cleveland Buck;578408 wrote:Yeah, sorry to tell you, they lost.

  Which means they still have 1 more wins over current top 25 teams than OSU. Forgot about Va-Tech.
• enigmaax

  sportswizuhrd;578413 wrote:Which means they still have 1 more wins over current top 25 teams than OSU. Forgot about Va-Tech.

  
  They also have a lot more wins over the WAC. BOOM!!!!!
• sportswizuhrd

  enigmaax;578420 wrote:They also have a lot more wins over the WAC. BOOM!!!!!

  
  You got me there. At least OSU has more wins over the MAC.
• enigmaax

  sportswizuhrd;578421 wrote:You got me there. At least OSU has more wins over the MAC.

  
  Well then how about this...wins over teams with winning records:
  
  OSU - 6
  Boise - 4
• jordo212000

  

  I love how both sides (pro and anti-Boise) are twisting stuff around to make their arguments better. Our Buckeyes did not beat a team who ended the season ranked all year... (Boise did/will) but Ohio State faced more teams with winning records!
• sportswizuhrd

  enigmaax;578431 wrote:Well then how about this...wins over teams with winning records:
  
  OSU - 6
  Boise - 4

  Florida State-6 (Miami, BYU, BC,Clemson,Maryland,Florida....an Illinois loss could send OSU's wins vs +.500 teams down to 5). Florida State is ranked lower than Nevada.
  
  Wins over teams with winning records doesnt mean everything. 60+ teams can make that claim that they are over .500.
• enigmaax

  jordo212000;578464 wrote:I love how both sides (pro and anti-Boise) are twisting stuff around to make their arguments better. Our Buckeyes did not beat a team who ended the season ranked all year... (Boise did/will) but Ohio State faced more teams with winning records!

  
  Well, they aren't my Buckeyes. And it isn't twisting, its just simple facts. Ultimately, Ohio State's schedule will/is determined to be better, so what is the fucking point of comparing the two?
• dwccrew

  

  sportswizuhrd;578421 wrote:You got me there. At least OSU has more wins over the MAC.

  
  OSU also has more BCS wins, national titles, all time wins. Oh and OSU will be in a BCS bowl, not the Kraft Fight Hunger bowl.
• dwccrew

  

  sportswizuhrd;578469 wrote:Florida State-6 (Miami, BYU, BC,Clemson,Maryland,Florida....an Illinois loss could send OSU's wins vs +.500 teams down to 5). Florida State is ranked lower than Nevada.
  
  Wins over teams with winning records doesnt mean everything. 60+ teams can make that claim that they are over .500.

  Why do you keep bringing up teams ranked lower than Ohio State and that will be playing in lesser bowls?
• enigmaax

  sportswizuhrd;578469 wrote:Florida State-6 (Miami, BYU, BC,Clemson,Maryland,Florida....an Illinois loss could send OSU's wins vs +.500 teams down to 5). Florida State is ranked lower than Nevada.
  
  Wins over teams with winning records doesnt mean everything. 60+ teams can make that claim that they are over .500.

  
  But winning one game over a ranked opponent doesn't make a whole season. Not really that difficult of a concept. Playing more "average" teams still provides a higher probability of a loss than playing one above average team and more below average teams. I'm sorry you don't know how schedule strength is measured mathematically. And who the hell cares about Florida State? They also lost to a couple average/slightly above average teams, have more losses, and have zero wins over currently ranked teams (your own criteria). What's the point?
• dwccrew

  

  enigmaax;578490 wrote:But winning one game over a ranked opponent doesn't make a whole season. Not really that difficult of a concept. Playing more "average" teams still provides a higher probability of a loss than playing one above average team and more below average teams. I'm sorry you don't know how schedule strength is measured mathematically. And who the hell cares about Florida State? They also lost to a couple average/slightly above average teams, have more losses, and have zero wins over currently ranked teams (your own criteria). What's the point?

  
  There isn't one, just an Ohio State hating troll.
• sportswizuhrd

  enigmaax;578490 wrote:But winning one game over a ranked opponent doesn't make a whole season. Not really that difficult of a concept. Playing more "average" teams still provides a higher probability of a loss than playing one above average team and more below average teams. I'm sorry you don't know how schedule strength is measured mathematically. And who the hell cares about Florida State? They also lost to a couple average/slightly above average teams, have more losses, and have zero wins over currently ranked teams (your own criteria). What's the point?

  
  I was merely using FSU as an example that supports my argument that wins over +.500 teams doesnt mean everything. Never said they were a great team, they were the first team I looked at after bringing up the standings.
• sportswizuhrd

  dwccrew;578495 wrote:There isn't one, just an Ohio State hating troll.

  So you bringing up OSU's history with facts makes you a homer?
• dwccrew

  

  sportswizuhrd;578526 wrote:So you bringing up OSU's history with facts makes you a homer?

  
  Only brought them up when you started running your mouth and proving you have little to know knowledge on this subject.
• sportswizuhrd

  dwccrew;578532 wrote:Only brought them up when you started running your mouth and proving you have little to know knowledge on this subject.

  
  I know little on this subject but you are bringing up irrelevant shit as in total number of National titles, BCS wins, all time wins and etc? What exactly does that have to do with this season? So Tennessee should be in a BCS game too? They fit your criteria of more titles, all time wins, BCS wins than Wisconsin or TCU(examples).
• dwccrew

  

  sportswizuhrd;578542 wrote:I know little on this subject but you are bringing up irrelevant shit as in total number of National titles, BCS wins, all time wins and etc? What exactly does that have to do with this season? So Tennessee should be in a BCS game too? They fit your criteria of more titles, all time wins, BCS wins than Wisconsin or TCU(examples).

  
  Are you really this lame? You brought up Ohio State. I commented on it after you brought them up. That being said, why would Tennessee be in a BCS game when they are not eligible? I'm not sure what point you have tried to make in any of your posts. Ohio State is likely going to a BCS bowl because they are eligible. Boise St will not go because they are not going to be an attractive pick and will be tied to another bowl.
• sportswizuhrd

  dwccrew;578552 wrote:Are you really this lame? You brought up Ohio State. I commented on it after you brought them up. That being said, why would Tennessee be in a BCS game when they are not eligible? I'm not sure what point you have tried to make in any of your posts. Ohio State is likely going to a BCS bowl because they are eligible. Boise St will not go because they are not going to be an attractive pick and will be tied to another bowl.

  You are right. I did bring up OSU. FOR THIS SEASON ONLY! You brought up the past seasons. My original point that was no matter how bad BSU's schedule is they have more wins vs top-25 teams(after this week) than OSU does but people want to relentlessly bash the shit out of Boise.
• dwccrew

  

  sportswizuhrd;578561 wrote:You are right. I did bring up OSU. FOR THIS SEASON ONLY! You brought up the past seasons. My original point that was no matter how bad BSU's schedule is they have more wins vs top-25 teams(after this week) than OSU does but people want to relentlessly bash the shit out of Boise.

  
  Ok, let's talk this season. Ohio State will finish ranked ahead of Boise St. in the final regular season poll and will play in a better bowl game too. Also, in each team's loss, Ohio State loss to the better team (a currently 7th ranked Wisconsin) compared to a currently ranked #19 Nevada.
  
  Also, your point on who has more wins against top 25 teams really is not relevant to this conversation, is it?
• Cleveland Buck

  

  dwccrew;578573 wrote:Also, your point on who has more wins against top 25 teams really is not relevant to this conversation, is it?

  
  It is because all teams that aren't ranked in the top 25 are the same.