Week 10: Michigan def. Illinois, 67-65 in 3 OT

• WebFire

  elbuckeye28;547393 wrote:There was a lot of talk that just a few weeks ago that things have been turned around NOW for Michigan. Now you're saying wait for 2012. I mean you're putting a lot of faith on a product to get better that has been subpar thus far.

  
  There was?
  
  I say 2012 because the team will be loaded with seniors and kids with experience. And I'm taking about big things, not just 9 wins. But the defense has to improve, that is obvious.
• WebFire

  centralbucksfan;547399 wrote:Ill defense was NOT near as bad as UM. I have been around a LONG time...I am not sure I have seen a defense as bad as UM on the season. Offense looked great today. They kept "pace". But that isn't going to get you consistant wins. Matter of time? Thats a matter of opinion. Nobody really knows. RichRod has never had outstanding defenses overall. I wouldn't be too optimistic thats going to change. And it certainly wont' change in just one or two seasons.

  Actually RRod had some good defenses during his RR years. I can dig up stats if you'd like.
• killer_ewok

  

  Congrats to Michigan for finding a way to win a WILD game.
• vball10set

  WebFire;547413 wrote:Actually RRod had some good defenses during his WVU years. I can dig up stats if you'd like.

  fixed
• bigkahuna

  Just got back from the game...wow!
  
  The thing that was killing me was that Illinois's Offense ran the same roll out and throw back pass 3 times all for TDs. Make an in game adjustment for God's sake.
  
  BUT, Great Win for Michigan. Hopefully can keep that momentum going for next week and beyond.
• vball10set

  did you run out onto the field too?
• Hb31187

  

  centralbucksfan;547399 wrote:Ill defense was NOT near as bad as UM. I have been around a LONG time...I am not sure I have seen a defense as bad as UM on the season. Offense looked great today. They kept "pace". But that isn't going to get you consistant wins. Matter of time? Thats a matter of opinion. Nobody really knows. RichRod has never had outstanding defenses overall. I wouldn't be too optimistic thats going to change. And it certainly wont' change in just one or two seasons.

  
  You're trying to tell me that with a average defense, this offense wouldnt give a team consistent wins? Serious?
  
  
  Lol knew somebody would be along to take a shot at Michigans offense
• vball10set

  bigkahuna;547480 wrote: BUT, Great Win for Michigan....

  I rest my case.
  
  btw, did you run out onto the field too?? :rolleyes:
• centralbucksfan

  Hb31187;547595 wrote:You're trying to tell me that with a average defense, this offense wouldnt give a team consistent wins? Serious?
  
  
  Lol knew somebody would be along to take a shot at Michigans offense

  
  Oh chill the fuck out. You guys just beat freaking ILL...not Oregon! Yes, an avg. defense and this offense would win some games. But you have to remember...its the flow of a game, its playing from behind, etc, etc. If you think this offense is going to score 60pts a game, your crazy. UM is giving up an avg of 450yds a game!! You won't just fix that overnite. Robinson will be gone, then a new DCord will come in..then the learning curve starts again. No spin here..its just comical..you just beat freaking Ill. Lets not act like you just beat OSU or someone better.
• Hb31187

  

  Im completely calm? I didnt capitalize anything, insult you, nothing.
  
  The offense woudlnt score 60 a game no...but its been pretty consistent in putting up yards and points this year week in and out. Im not saying that it would be an overnight change on D, but Illini was pretty horrid last year on D(not as bad as Mich) they hire a D coordinator and for most of the season they were solid. And if they bring in a new D coordinator this spring and implement some type of a simple base 4-3 defense(which most kids have been playing since they were 6) it would be leaps and bounds better than this 3-3-5 lets back everyone 30 yards off and allow them to pick us apart defense.
• WebFire

  centralbucksfan;547627 wrote:Oh chill the fuck out. You guys just beat freaking ILL...not Oregon! Yes, an avg. defense and this offense would win some games. But you have to remember...its the flow of a game, its playing from behind, etc, etc. If you think this offense is going to score 60pts a game, your crazy. UM is giving up an avg of 450yds a game!! You won't just fix that overnite. Robinson will be gone, then a new DCord will come in..then the learning curve starts again. No spin here..its just comical..you just beat freaking Ill. Lets not act like you just beat OSU or someone better.

  
  Who's acting that way. I think it's been said it won't be fixed overnight. Get a new argument.
• se-alum

  

  I doubt this game plays much of a role in RR keeping his job.
• Trueblue23

  

  se-alum;547723 wrote:I doubt this game plays much of a role in RR keeping his job.

  
  I agree.. because he's already secured his place at Michigan next year.
  
  The offense has Ann Arbor excited, the NCAA cut him a break, and Greg Robinson will be the scape goat for RichRod and Michigan (rightfully so).
  
  Coach Rod will be back next year with a new defensive coordinator (Gary Moeller rumors) and another Top 15 recruiting class, and Michigan will continue to improve. GO BLUE!!!
• LJ

  

  Hb31187;547637 wrote:Im completely calm? I didnt capitalize anything, insult you, nothing.
  
  The offense woudlnt score 60 a game no...but its been pretty consistent in putting up yards and points this year week in and out. Im not saying that it would be an overnight change on D, but Illini was pretty horrid last year on D(not as bad as Mich) they hire a D coordinator and for most of the season they were solid. And if they bring in a new D coordinator this spring and implement some type of a simple base 4-3 defense(which most kids have been playing since they were 6) it would be leaps and bounds better than this 3-3-5 lets back everyone 30 yards off and allow them to pick us apart defense.

  I don't think RR will hire a D-coord that does not run the 3-3-5, that is his defense of preference
• vball10set

  Trueblue23;547751 wrote: ....and another Top 15 recruiting class !!!

  got a LONG way to go for this to happen, but I think Moeller would be a good hire.
• Rider_In_Ttown

  

  se-alum;547723 wrote:I doubt this game plays much of a role in RR keeping his job.

  I disagree, I think he should get a contract extension.
• elbuckeye28

  Trueblue23;547751 wrote:I agree.. because he's already secured his place at Michigan next year.
  
  The offense has Ann Arbor excited, the NCAA cut him a break, and Greg Robinson will be the scape goat for RichRod and Michigan (rightfully so).
  
  Coach Rod will be back next year with a new defensive coordinator (Gary Moeller rumors) and another Top 15 recruiting class, and Michigan will continue to improve. GO BLUE!!!

  They can fire whoever they want but coaching can only do so much. Look at Monte Kiffin with USC's defense. If the athletes aren't there, coaching is not going to make them good all of a sudden.
• Hb31187

  

  elbuckeye28;548048 wrote:They can fire whoever they want but coaching can only do so much. Look at Monte Kiffin with USC's defense. If the athletes aren't there, coaching is not going to make them good all of a sudden.

  
  Look at Illinois from last year to this year and tell me a coordinator doesnt make a difference
• sportswizuhrd

  Hb31187;548062 wrote:Look at Illinois from last year to this year and tell me a coordinator doesnt make a difference

  
  +1. They even noted this during the broadcast saying that the higher ups from UM might look at this as an example and keep RR around and get a better DC in there.
• WebFire

  I am really questioning the defensive staffs ability to evaluate talent and put guys in the right positions. 2 examples:
  
  1. Kenny Demens. The guys is a beast. He is going to be a helluva football player at Michigan. Why in the hell Ezeh was even seeing the field with this guy on the roster is almost mind boggling.
  
  2. Playing Roh at LB. Roh had to finally speak up and tell the staff he needs to be at DE. They listened and he was so much more effective. This kid is good, but not at LB.
  
  I say wipe out the D staff, get a DC and let him run his defense. I don't care what defense RR wants to run, he doesn't coach the defense. Let the DC do his job.
• bigkahuna

  vball10set;547598 wrote:I rest my case.
  
  btw, did you run out onto the field too?? :rolleyes:

  You rest your case? Like others have said it was the way the game was won. Someone else said on the storming the field thread that it would be warranted if an epic game occurred and gave the example of OSU beating Minnesota in 10 OTs.
  
  Rushing the field? In the 10+ years I've watched Michigan football, I've NEVER seen the fans rush the field. The team will run onto the field and then run over to the student section to celebrate. If you've never seen another school due this after almost any win, you're crazy.
• LJ

  

  WebFire;548252 wrote:I am really questioning the defensive staffs ability to evaluate talent and put guys in the right positions. 2 examples:
  
  1. Kenny Demens. The guys is a beast. He is going to be a helluva football player at Michigan. Why in the hell Ezeh was even seeing the field with this guy on the roster is almost mind boggling.
  
  2. Playing Roh at LB. Roh had to finally speak up and tell the staff he needs to be at DE. They listened and he was so much more effective. This kid is good, but not at LB.
  
  I say wipe out the D staff, get a DC and let him run his defense. I don't care what defense RR wants to run, he doesn't coach the defense. Let the DC do his job.

  
  But that is the kind of coach that RR is. I mean, that's just him. He has always had final control over the defense, and I really don't see him changing
• WebFire

  LJ;548471 wrote:But that is the kind of coach that RR is. I mean, that's just him. He has always had final control over the defense, and I really don't see him changing

  
  I agree and disagree. Yes RR is responsible for the final say. But he does offense, not defense. So it is his job to find a DC who can take control of the defense and evaluate that talent. If he can do that, he'll be successful.
• FatHobbit

  

  I have to say I never expected Michigan to beat Illinois. They played us pretty tough. I'm just glad the spread was +3
• LJ

  

  WebFire;548485 wrote:I agree and disagree. Yes RR is responsible for the final say. But he does offense, not defense. So it is his job to find a DC who can take control of the defense and evaluate that talent. If he can do that, he'll be successful.

  
  Yeah, and Robinson had never run a 3-3-5 before he came to work for RR. The defense scheme is RR's call.