Kirk Herbstreit has Pryor 4th on his Heisman list and says 5th is "generous" for BCS

• Blanket

  That article doesnt prove anything.
• Tiernan

  ^^^
  please pull that Blanket up over your head and smother yourself...then it would be a murder / suicide cuz both Blanket and Ty Webb would be dead.
• krambman

  

  If Kirk Herbstreit thinks that OSU being 5th in the BCS is generous, then why does he have the Buckeyes #1 on his AP ballot?
  
  http://www.pollspeak.com/pollstalker/pollstalker.php?r=V&s=13&p=26&w=7&t1=74&t2=0&v=40
• cats gone wild

  krambman;519198 wrote:If Kirk Herbstreit thinks that OSU being 5th in the BCS is generous, then why does he have the Buckeyes #1 on his AP ballot?
  
  http://www.pollspeak.com/pollstalker/pollstalker.php?r=V&s=13&p=26&w=7&t1=74&t2=0&v=40

  
  Um.....because of their schedule possibly??
• TBone14

  

  Herbie isn't the BCS, he is predicting where he thinks the BCS will have Ohio State.
• bo shemmy3337

  All I am saying is Pryor should not be in the convo at THIS POINT. Because OSU has played only one good team and his stats are not good. All this number one team in the country talk has nothing to do with the current standings. I said that if he plays well against Wisky Iowa and Michigan then he will move up the charts. But at THIS POINT IN TIME there is no way in hell he deserves to be in the top 5.
  
  Also, where's Michigan? What a cheap shot. I brought up Denard for the sole reason of the topic as he is currently number one in rushing. The idea of the number 1 or 2 team in the country has to produce the Heisman is a complete joke IMO. I know it is true most of the time but it is really unfair and dumb IMO. And whomever brought up troy Smith, Really? If he did not go to OSU most of the people on here would agree that he was top 5 worst Heisman winners of all time. The kid got drafted in the 5 or 6th round. There was like 7 other QB's picked before him. His stats were also horrible. 37 people had more yards then him. It not like he was this incredible duel threat either as his running yards were low as well. The only reason he won is because his team was number 1 in the polls which is complete crap IMO. Heisman should be the best football player. The best football player does not have 100 plus people chosen to be better football players in the draft along with 37 others producing better stats.
  
  If you guys want to see another Troy Smith go right ahead and chose who ever has the best team at the end of the year.
  
  For the record I think Pryor is way better then smith and I am in no way comparing him to Smith. I was just saying how bad of a choice he was and why it should not be just whomever is on the best team at the time.
• se-alum

  

  bo shemmy3337;519821 wrote:All I am saying is Pryor should not be in the convo at THIS POINT. Because OSU has played only one good team and his stats are not good. All this number one team in the country talk has nothing to do with the current standings. I said that if he plays well against Wisky Iowa and Michigan then he will move up the charts. But at THIS POINT IN TIME there is no way in hell he deserves to be in the top 5.
  
  Also, where's Michigan? What a cheap shot. I brought up Denard for the sole reason of the topic as he is currently number one in rushing. The idea of the number 1 or 2 team in the country has to produce the Heisman is a complete joke IMO. I know it is true most of the time but it is really unfair and dumb IMO. And whomever brought up troy Smith, Really? If he did not go to OSU most of the people on here would agree that he was top 5 worst Heisman winners of all time. The kid got drafted in the 5 or 6th round. There was like 7 other QB's picked before him. His stats were also horrible. 37 people had more yards then him. It not like he was this incredible duel threat either as his running yards were low as well. The only reason he won is because his team was number 1 in the polls which is complete crap IMO. Heisman should be the best football player. The best football player does not have 100 plus people chosen to be better football players in the draft along with 37 others producing better stats.
  
  If you guys want to see another Troy Smith go right ahead and chose who ever has the best team at the end of the year.
  
  For the record I think Pryor is way better then smith and I am in no way comparing him to Smith. I was just saying how bad of a choice he was and why it should not be just whomever is on the best team at the time.

  So what are your criteria for a Heisman? How do you determine the best player?? Solely based on stats?? I guess it is Bryant Moniz's to lose, since he leads the country in passing. How's Timmy Chang and Graham Harrell fairing in the NFL?? They were both prolific passers and should've been Heisman trophy winners, based on your criteria. I don't see how you can base the Heisman trophy winner on #'s alone. Like I said, I don't think Pryor is leading the Heisman race right now, but he has a good chance to win it if he has big games against Wisky & Iowa.
• bo shemmy3337

  se-alum;519841 wrote:So what are your criteria for a Heisman? How do you determine the best player?? Solely based on stats?? I guess it is Bryant Moniz's to lose, since he leads the country in passing. How's Timmy Chang and Graham Harrell fairing in the NFL?? They were both prolific passers and should've been Heisman trophy winners, based on your criteria. I don't see how you can base the Heisman trophy winner on #'s alone. Like I said, I don't think Pryor is leading the Heisman race right now, but he has a good chance to win it if he has big games against Wisky & Iowa.

  
  
  What I am saying is Stats should play a more important role than what they do IMO. Now If a guy like Pryor plays very well against good teams than hell yea he deserves to be in the convo. But being on a winning team and playing above average (Troy Smith) should not be enough to win the Heisman. Stats can not be the sole reason as liek you said guys like Kellen More would win every year I get that. But if your not playing anyone good you better have great numbers to even be in the convo IMO.
  
  This is also my opinion on the Heisman voting. In all reality Pryor has the best chance of winning because I don't think OSU is going to loose any games and if they do it won;t be because of his play IMO. I am just the kind of guy who wishes linemen or linebackers would get more love. I just want the best player in the country to win the award for the best player in the country lol.
• ytownfootball

  

  So Case Keenum from HOUSTON should just be filling up his Trophy case?
  
  Fact is, gimmicky offensive schemes aren't viewed favorably by the committee, fairly or not.
• LJ

  

  bo shemmy3337;519850 wrote:What I am saying is Stats should play a more important role than what they do IMO. Now If a guy like Pryor plays very well against good teams than hell yea he deserves to be in the convo. But being on a winning team and playing above average (Troy Smith) should not be enough to win the Heisman. Stats can not be the sole reason as liek you said guys like Kellen More would win every year I get that. But if your not playing anyone good you better have great numbers to even be in the convo IMO.
  
  This is also my opinion on the Heisman voting. In all reality Pryor has the best chance of winning because I don't think OSU is going to loose any games and if they do it won;t be because of his play IMO. I am just the kind of guy who wishes linemen or linebackers would get more love. I just want the best player in the country to win the award for the best player in the country lol.

  
  If you want purely stats to determine the best player, maybe you should become a baseball fan
• centralbucksfan

  bo shemmy3337;519821 wrote:All I am saying is Pryor should not be in the convo at THIS POINT. Because OSU has played only one good team and his stats are not good. All this number one team in the country talk has nothing to do with the current standings. I said that if he plays well against Wisky Iowa and Michigan then he will move up the charts. But at THIS POINT IN TIME there is no way in hell he deserves to be in the top 5.
  
  Also, where's Michigan? What a cheap shot. I brought up Denard for the sole reason of the topic as he is currently number one in rushing. The idea of the number 1 or 2 team in the country has to produce the Heisman is a complete joke IMO. I know it is true most of the time but it is really unfair and dumb IMO. And whomever brought up troy Smith, Really? If he did not go to OSU most of the people on here would agree that he was top 5 worst Heisman winners of all time. The kid got drafted in the 5 or 6th round. There was like 7 other QB's picked before him. His stats were also horrible. 37 people had more yards then him. It not like he was this incredible duel threat either as his running yards were low as well. The only reason he won is because his team was number 1 in the polls which is complete crap IMO. Heisman should be the best football player. The best football player does not have 100 plus people chosen to be better football players in the draft along with 37 others producing better stats.
  
  If you guys want to see another Troy Smith go right ahead and chose who ever has the best team at the end of the year.
  
  For the record I think Pryor is way better then smith and I am in no way comparing him to Smith. I was just saying how bad of a choice he was and why it should not be just whomever is on the best team at the time.

  
  Bo..I thought you were smarter then this. To think that stats are the determining factor in individual awards is just flat out ignorant. There is SO much more to an award like the Heisman than just stats. There are certain players who LEAD their team. Their presence and leadership lift that team to a level that others are not able to do. There is an uncoachable, inexplainable quality that many players have, that make them who they are. Terry Bradshaw for instance, threw almost as many INT's as TD's in his career. But the guy just flat out WON. His stats were squat. Yet he has what, 4 super bowl rings? Joe Montana didn't exactly light up the world stat wise...but in crunch time, not many were better. Magic Johnson didn't put up unreal stats in college or the pros. He just won. I could go on and on. Big time players, show up in big time games. They rise to the occasion, they make plays, they raise the level of their team when needed. These are NOT stat qualitiess...they are what define great players.
  I am not saying Pryor has these or done these. He has on occasion..not often yet. I mean Robinson (who I would have #1), who exactly has he beaten? Finally played a good defense...throws 3 int's. I could nit pick all the top players I am sure.
  I'll let the season play out before I think one person is ahead of the other. Yes, stats are part of it. But there are so many variables as others have mentioned. Pryor has played one full season. He is in a system with a fairly conservative coach. OSU under Tressel will never have the #1 stat QB in the country. Others, who throw the ball all over like Petrino...could have a different QB every few years throw up unreal stats. Texas Tech is another example of most recent. Stats can be misleading one way OR the other.
  BTW, who gives a shit where a player is drafted, that has ZILCH to do with the Heisman or best college player. THere are MANY Heisman winners who didn't amount to shit in the NFL. Why that was brought up, I have no idea. And I will agree, the Heisman does'n't always go to the best player in the country. Quite often, its the best player on one of the best teams in the country. It is what it is.
• FatHobbit

  

  bo shemmy3337;519850 wrote:What I am saying is Stats should play a more important role than what they do IMO. .

  I disagree that the Heisman should be awarded on stats, but I think you do have some good points.
  

  bo shemmy3337;519821 wrote:I brought up Denard for the sole reason of the topic as he is currently number one in rushing.

  I agree with that. If Denard was only a tailback he would be in the mix based on the number of yards he has rushing. There are plenty of other guys playing the same cupcake teams and they don't pile up yards like Denard does. If he can still produce against the better teams, and I don't even think he has to beat them all or have video game numbers he just need to have a good game, then I think he has to at least be in the heisman conversation.
  

  bo shemmy3337;519850 wrote:I am just the kind of guy who wishes linemen or linebackers would get more love. I just want the best player in the country to win the award for the best player in the country lol.

  
  I agree with that too. The heisman is currently a popularity contest that goes to the best running back, quarter back or occasionally a receiver. But how can stats play a bigger role and go to somebody (lineman or linebackers) who rarely scores?
• Crimson streak

  

  The heisman is for the most outstanding player in college football not the best player on the best team.... I have hated the way they vote on the heisman and no way in he'll Pryor should be top 5 he threw for 76 yards against Illinois? Really?a heisman winner should never have a game where he throws for under 100 yards
• vball10set

  Crimson streak;520122 wrote:The heisman is for the most outstanding player in college football not the best player on the best team.... I have hated the way they vote on the heisman and no way in he'll Pryor should be top 5 he threw for 76 yards against Illinois? Really?a heisman winner should never have a game where he throws for under 100 yards

  I'm sorry, but this is really stupid...now get out of the computer lab and back to class before the bell rings :rolleyes:
• centralbucksfan

  Crimson streak;520122 wrote:The heisman is for the most outstanding player in college football not the best player on the best team.... I have hated the way they vote on the heisman and no way in he'll Pryor should be top 5 he threw for 76 yards against Illinois? Really?a heisman winner should never have a game where he throws for under 100 yards

  
  Every winner has had a poor game. Two and you'll be in trouble. One game won't, nor should it hurt you.
  And again, the Heisman SHOULD go to the best college football player. But thats not always the case. Like it or not, thats how it is.
• cats gone wild

  centralbucksfan;520299 wrote:Every winner has had a poor game. Two and you'll be in trouble. One game won't, nor should it hurt you.

  So, I guess he's in trouble then? He's only played 2 worthy opponents out of 6 games and had 2 poor performances.
• vball10set

  cats gone wild;520305 wrote:So, I guess he's in trouble then? He's only played 2 worthy opponents out of 6 games and had 2 poor performances.

  
  I guess it depends on your definition of "poor"...multiple turnovers? losses? it's all in the eye of the Heisman voters.
• cats gone wild

  Thats true. Im just going by stats vs. Miami and a poor performance vs. Ill. I dont think he's anywhere near being out of the race, but he "should" of had better performances against the only 2 teams that are decent. Its not like Miami or ILL are ranked teams either. Against Wisky and Iowa you can probably determine is he's "heisman worthy". I think he needs to play more worthy teams on a constant basis to be in the talks, IMO. But, Im not a voter. I would surely take pryor on my team,lol. We would probably be ranked #1 hands down right now.
• centralbucksfan

  cats gone wild;520305 wrote:So, I guess he's in trouble then? He's only played 2 worthy opponents out of 6 games and had 2 poor performances.

  
  He wasn't poor vs Miami. OSU put up 30+ pts. His completion percentage wasn't good. His passing yardage(233) and play making was good. He also ran for 113yds and a TD as well. . I wouldn't call that a poor performance by any means. Close to 350 total yds and 2 TD's isn't a bad day.
  He definately needs some big games, starting with this weekend vs Wisky.
  
  And I haven't said he is Heisman worthy either. He is in the mix IMO. I am not sure there is anyone who is head and shoulders above anyone else at this point in time. Maybe Robinson...but again, his play last week vs the first good defense he played against wasn't good. He cost his team the game with two INT's in the endzone. We'll see how he does this week vs Iowa.
• se-alum

  

  Certainly wasn't a poor performance against Miami. The Illinois game he only played half of, and that was in 30mph winds.
• cats gone wild

  se-alum;520512 wrote:Certainly wasn't a poor performance against Miami. The Illinois game he only played half of, and that was in 30mph winds.

  Played half of?? A little exaggeration.
• Pick6

  

  cats gone wild;521025 wrote:Played half of?? A little exaggeration.

  
  not really. He was out about a quarter. When he came back sure he "played" if you count 2 short passes and handing the ball off
• se-alum

  

  Pick6;521358 wrote:not really. He was out about a quarter. When he came back sure he "played" if you count 2 short passes and handing the ball off

  Yea, this is my point. He didn't really "play" the 2nd half.
• Crimson streak

  

  Pryor sure is lighting it up tonight lmao!
• Lovejoy1984

  

  Crimson streak;522095 wrote:Pryor sure is lighting it up tonight lmao!

  
  You're right. He looked good on that last drive.