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Mock BCS standings per ESPN

  • WebFire
    Blanket;516281 wrote:The meltdown this board would have if Ohio State goes undefeated and does not make it to the National Championship Game (very unlikely, but really who knows) would be worth the price just to see it.

    Wrong site. That's JJHuddle you're thinking of. :)
  • thedynasty1998
    It really can't be disputed that at this point in the season, Boise has played a tougher schedule than Ohio State. Once the season plays out, OSU's schedule will likely be tougher.

    But let's not pretend like OSU is playing a great schedule. Miami might finish anywhere from 1st to 4th in the ACC. Wisconsin's big win is Arizona State and they lost to Michigan State. Iowa's big win is a bad Penn State (or Iowa State) and a loss to Arizona.

    I'm not saying the Big 10 is bad, but there is a lot that needs to be proven before we give Wisconsin and Iowa the respect that many want to give them.
  • Blanket
    What was I thinking? ;)
  • like_that
    WebFire;516026 wrote:I don't necessarily agree it should be changed unless it is a serious flaw. Basically they tweak the computer scoring to reflect what the humans thought it should be. Doesn't that defeat the purpose?

    Definitely agree. I think the whole system should be abolished and we should get a playoff, but that of course is another discussion.
  • like_that
    thedynasty1998;516060 wrote: It would be hard, IMO, to put Oregon above OSU based solely on the fact of what OSU did to them last year in the bowl game.

    With that logic, how do you explain Oregon jumping BSU? BSU dominated Oregon last year.
  • TBone14
    You don't get credit for SOS until the games are played. So wins vs Marshall, OU, and Eastern don't really do much. It doesn't take into account who you will play. If Ohio State beats Wisky, there SOS will improve dramatically and they will debut in the poll probably at 2ish, maybe 3 at worst.
  • ytownfootball
    While what fans value a win/loss in a bowl game is meaningless, how voters see things is relevant. You can say "last year shouldn't be a factor in this years voting" but the reality is that voters keep it in mind. It's no different than saying "Well Ohio State has been slapped around by SEC's top tams in past years so they don't deserve the title shot." Two way street people, can't have it both ways.
  • georgemc80
    This is no big deal...if OSU is ranked number one in both polls and is undefeated at the end of the season....there is no chance of them not being in the top 2. Anyone that doesn't believe me...really doesn't understand football. If the apocolypse happens and they aren't.....the system itself will be shut down...The Big Ten will withdraw from the BCS and take with it the Rose Bowl and the PAC 10.

    The Big Ten is politically the strongest conference in America.
  • bo shemmy3337
    Early Cuyler;515514 wrote:Can someone explain how Boise would be in the top spot? They played Va Tech, who like Miami, has plummeted through the rankings. I realize they also beat Oregon State, but come on.

    You have to realize that Teams like Boise are going to have a harder schedule to this point. This gives them a huge edge in the computer polls. However the total strength of schedule is not decided until the end of the season as far as the computer polls are concerned. Any undefeated team in the big10 big12 SEC or PAC10 team would jump a team like Boise when it is all said and done.
  • Ty Webb
    georgemc80;516574 wrote:This is no big deal...if OSU is ranked number one in both polls and is undefeated at the end of the season....there is no chance of them not being in the top 2. Anyone that doesn't believe me...really doesn't understand football. If the apocolypse happens and they aren't.....the system itself will be shut down...The Big Ten will withdraw from the BCS and take with it the Rose Bowl and the PAC 10.

    The Big Ten is politically the strongest conference in America.

    Where are they going to go if they don't play within the BCS??

    Contrary to what you people believe,Ohio State doesn't run the Big 10 or the Rose Bowl. The PAC-10 wouldn't go anywhere,they would laugh their asses off at Ohio State,as would most of the Big 10
  • thedynasty1998
    Yea, the Big 10 would still get it's paycheck from the BCS, so they would be content.
  • KnightRyder
    j_crazy;516202 wrote:I'm with CCrunner here.

    who has Boise beaten that warrants them being ahead of OSU?

    VT? the same VT that lost to James Madison? this team was probably the most overrated football team in the country.

    Oregon State? this team is hellaciously overrated and once they get into the meat of their schedule it will be proven so.

    I'm not faulting Boise here. but for the first week LSU should be ranked higher than them. at least LSU has played some legitimate teams

    didnt that hellaciously overrated Oregon State team beat arizona? and didnt arizona beat big ten juggernaut Iowa?
  • dwccrew
    I think Mark May dislikes Boise St. more than he dislikes Ohio St.
  • Pick6
    you haters are dumbasses. Arizona is easily a top 3 team in the PAC 10. Just like Iowa is a top 3 team in the Big 10. Arizona lost the tie breaker against oregon last year for the Pac 10 championship. Arizona is a pretty good team and it wasnt a bad loss for Iowa or the big 10
  • FatHobbit
    Pick6;517005 wrote:you haters are dumbasses. Arizona is easily a top 3 team in the PAC 10. Just like Iowa is a top 3 team in the Big 10. Arizona lost the tie breaker against oregon last year for the Pac 10 championship. Arizona is a pretty good team and it wasnt a bad loss for Iowa or the big 10

    Arizona is a good team and Iowa also played them at night on the west coast.
  • WebFire
    Arizona is good but Iowa should have beat them if they are as good as people say. Arizona just got beat by Oregon St.
  • thedynasty1998
    WebFire;517173 wrote:Arizona is good but Iowa should have beat them if they are as good as people say. Arizona just got beat by Oregon St.

    Oregon State is a good team, so what does that tell you about Boise and TCU?
  • Tiernan
    Cool your jets people. OSU 100% Absolutely Positively gets in if they go undefeated. Right now their opponents have only won 13 games! That is the only computer factor that is keeping them out. Take care of business and the businees will take care of you.
  • centralbucksfan
    This who beat who arguement is bullshit. Some teams get better as seasons goes on, some don't, some deal with serious injuries that limit them, where the game is played, matchup issues, etc, etc. NOBODY said Iowa was a "juggernaut" btw!! That comment right there tells me a certain someone is clueless hater doing nothing but exaggerating to try and make things look worse than they actually are. Let the season play out a little longer at the very least before this discussion should even begin. Hell, last year after OSU lost to Purdue, the sky was falling. Looked how the season ended. Shit happens on any given Sat. game.
  • georgemc80
    Ty Webb;516630 wrote:Where are they going to go if they don't play within the BCS??

    Contrary to what you people believe,Ohio State doesn't run the Big 10 or the Rose Bowl. The PAC-10 wouldn't go anywhere,they would laugh their asses off at Ohio State,as would most of the Big 10

    I didn't say Ohio St would withdraw...I said the Big 10. This would not be about OSU. Look at your history...the only group not a part of the Bowl Coalition....PAC 10/Big 10/Rose Bowl. Without that group, the BCS never is put into existence. The Big Ten is the main reason there is no playoff. IF the Big Ten wanted it, there would be a playoff.
  • WebFire
    centralbucksfan;517191 wrote:This who beat who arguement is bullshit. Some teams get better as seasons goes on, some don't, some deal with serious injuries that limit them, where the game is played, matchup issues, etc, etc. NOBODY said Iowa was a "juggernaut" btw!! That comment right there tells me a certain someone is clueless hater doing nothing but exaggerating to try and make things look worse than they actually are. Let the season play out a little longer at the very least before this discussion should even begin. Hell, last year after OSU lost to Purdue, the sky was falling. Looked how the season ended. Shit happens on any given Sat. game.

    If that certain someone is me you are talking about, you are the one that is clueless. My comments about Iowa, or Wiscy for that matter, have nothing to do with my thoughts on the Buckeyes. It has to do with my thoughts on IOWA and WISCY.

    I know, it's hard for you to imagine football outside of your Buckeyes.
  • Y-Town Steelhound
    Like Coach Tressel said, the polls change so much from week to week that the top 10 is probably going to look a lot different at the end of the season than it does now. Much like it looks different now than it did at the beginning of the season.

    It's pretty much a fact that Ohio State controls their own destiny. If they win out, they will be in the national championship. They probably won't drop from #1 in the polls if they win out, and wins over teams like Wisconsin, Iowa, and probably even Michigan will give them more points than anyone Boise or TCU has left on their schedule (though it's a shame that OSU doesn't play Michigan State because that would've led to even more points). Plus you never know who's going to lose along the way. Oregon, Oklahoma, and Nebraska all have losable games left and though I don't think Boise or TCU will lose, they already played the teams that will give them the most BCS points.

    With that said, I am concerned about how little the human polls play into the BCS formula. It's bad enough that these teams don't decide who's the best on the field in a playoff, but for the number 1 team in both polls by a wide margin being 5th in the projected BCS is ridiculous. I'm not at all concerned though since the real BCS standings don't come out for a few more weeks.
  • WebFire
    Also, I can't imagine OSU not making it on if they run the table.
  • enigmaax
    Y-Town Steelhound;517234 wrote:Oregon, Oklahoma, and Nebraska all have losable games left and though I don't think Boise or TCU will lose, they already played the teams that will give them the most BCS points.

    They haven't, actually. Boise still has Nevada, Hawaii, and Fresno with solid OOC records that will help them and TCU still has Utah and Air Force. I don't think it'll be enough to keep/move either ahead of OSU by the end of the season, but there are still some money games for them when it comes to the computers. At first glance, it seems as though Boise is in better shape than TCU as the WAC is right around .500 OOC, which is better than they typically are. The MWC is down, even for second tier standards. A couple things are going to work against OSU - the three non-Miami games are going to balance Boise's terrible bottom conference games and if Michigan State continues to beat teams on OSU's schedule that'll hurt OSU's overall schedule strength.
  • centralbucksfan
    WebFire;517231 wrote:If that certain someone is me you are talking about, you are the one that is clueless. My comments about Iowa, or Wiscy for that matter, have nothing to do with my thoughts on the Buckeyes. It has to do with my thoughts on IOWA and WISCY.

    I know, it's hard for you to imagine football outside of your Buckeyes.

    Wow, feeling a bit defensive? But since you replied, then please tell me WHO said Iowa was some "juggernaut"? Are they great? Not a this point. But again, they returned A LOT from last years team, who ended up being pretty darn good.