9/18: Notre Dame at Michigan State

• Sonofanump

  killer_ewok;490026 wrote:I'm guessing a sizable portion of the fan base would be livid and crying foul.

  
  This is true. What is correct and what is perception are two different things.
• LJ

  

  killer_ewok;490026 wrote:It goes without saying but ND is independent in football. Big East refs aren't "home" refs IMO. Furthermore, a bad/missed call is what it is. I don't care who fucked it up....all I know is they fucked it up. Just like the phantom block in the back called on ND when receiving the punt near the end of regulation and just like the game tying TD by MSU that should not have counted because the MSU player went out of bounds (unforced) and was the first player to touch the ball as he re-entered the playing field. That's illegal. Now what technicality will you find to rationalize those blown calls?
  
  Anyways, when the play/game clock reads all 0's..........I thought that meant delay of game/end of quarter/half/game. It has in every other instance I've seen in 2+ decades of watching football. Now there are lag times and .99 and all of this other shit. Let it happen to your team. I'm guessing a sizable portion of the fan base would be livid and crying foul.

  
  Big East refs are most certainly ND's home refs as that is who they have contracted. I guess you can whine all you want, but the review today said it was the correct calll.
  
  As for crying foul, I think the fanbase of my favorite team would have been livid over many many many other things way before that call.
• killer_ewok

  

  LJ;490092 wrote:Big East refs are most certainly ND's home refs as that is who they have contracted. I guess you can whine all you want, but the review today said it was the correct calll.
  
  As for crying foul, I think the fanbase of my favorite team would have been livid over many many many other things way before that call.

  Just because that's who they have contracted doesn't mean shit. So those officials are above making bad calls because that's who ND has a contract with? Yeah, that's logical. Again, I don't care who fucked up...the bottom line is they fucked up. How about those other 2 missed calls? The Big East make a statement on those?
  
  In regards to your team's fan base.......my point still stands. I'd bet that many of them would have went crazy over missed calls like those. Maybe it will happen to them one day and we'll see what the reaction is.
• LJ

  

  killer_ewok;490103 wrote:Just because that's who they have contracted doesn't mean shit. So those officials are above making bad calls because that's who ND has a contract with? Yeah, that's logical. Again, I don't care who fucked up...the bottom line is they fucked up. How about those other 2 missed calls? The Big East make a statement on those?

  Doesn't mean they are above a bad call, it means that the whole "conspiracy" or "home cookin" argument is extremely laughable. BTW, it wasn't a bad call. I would trust the review team that could stand to lose money by losing an ND contract over a pissed off fan.
• ytownfootball

  

  I go nuts over blown calls every game, there was one last year that cost us badly (Purdue I think) but Pryor played like crap and quickly reasoned myself out of it.
• killer_ewok

  

  LJ;490111 wrote:Doesn't mean they are above a bad call, it means that the whole "conspiracy" or "home cookin" argument is extremely laughable. BTW, it wasn't a bad call. I would trust the review team that could stand to lose money by losing an ND contract over a pissed off fan.

  All I know is bad shit happens in East Lansing at times. See: Clockgate. And the other two blown calls? Still haven't got a response from you regarding those....
  
  

  ytownfootball;490112 wrote:I go nuts over blown calls every game, there was one last year that cost us badly (Purdue I think) but Pryor played like crap and quickly reasoned myself out of it.

  
  At least you admit it. Put yourself in our shoes. The clock reads all 0's and they're allowed to get a play off. I'm guessing there would be some serious outrage.
• LJ

  

  killer_ewok;490125 wrote:All I know is bad shit happens in East Lansing at times. See: Clockgate. And the other two blown calls? Still haven't got a response from you regarding those....

  I didn't see the other 2, so I can;t comment. I just find it funny that ND fans think it's home cookin with their own refs in charge of the clock LOL
• karen lotz

  

  OSU fans have been complaining about missed calls in games they are winning by 30 points. If it ever gets down to a missed call that costs OSU a game, I can assure you there will be plenty of people on here saying far worse things than what ND fans have said.
• LJ

  

  karen lotz;490129 wrote:OSU fans have been complaining about missed calls in games they are winning by 30 points. If it ever gets down to a missed call that costs OSU a game, I can assure you there will be plenty of people on here saying far worse things than what ND fans have said.

  
  I won't if they played like ND played last night.
• killer_ewok

  

  LJ;490127 wrote:I didn't see the other 2, so I can;t comment. I just find it funny that ND fans think it's home cookin with their own refs in charge of the clock LOL

  
  Well, former OSU RB Robert Smith isn't an ND fan (as far as I know) and this morning on Sportscenter he said,"That was a little home cookin' there" regarding the play clock on the game-winning TD in OT.
  
  I guess Rob has his tin foil hat on too.......
• karen lotz

  

  You have already said you didn't watch most of the game. How do you know how they played?
• LJ

  

  karen lotz;490134 wrote:You have already said you didn't watch most of the game. How do you know how they played?

  
  i did watch most of the game, I didn't see those 2 plays. I was flipping back and forth between something the woman was watching. But I am pretty sure that 440 yards to MSU isn't very good.
• killer_ewok

  

  karen lotz;490134 wrote:You have already said you didn't watch most of the game. How do you know how they played?

  I think he said last night that he was "drunk" and "didn't care who won anyways." Now he's the Mike Pereira of the NCAA.
• LJ

  

  killer_ewok;490131 wrote:Well, former OSU RB Robert Smith isn't an ND fan (as far as I know) and this morning on Sportscenter he said,"That was a little home cookin' there" regarding the play clock on the game-winning TD in OT.
  
  I guess Rob has his tin foil hat on too.......

  
  
  
  HOW CAN THE "HOME" REFS OF THE VISITING TEAM BE CONSIDERED "HOME COOKIN"!?!?!?!
  
  please, for the love of god, explain it to me.
• LJ

  

  killer_ewok;490136 wrote:I think he said last night that he was "drunk" and didn't "care who won anyways." Now he's the Mike Pereira of the NCAA.

  
  I was drunk by the very end of the game. Why do I care who wins? I don't have any stake in either team. I actually enjoy watching ND play. I'm a traditionalist.
• killer_ewok

  

  LJ;490137 wrote:HOW CAN THE "HOME" REFS OF THE VISITING TEAM BE CONSIDERED "HOME COOKIN"!?!?!?!
  
  please, for the love of god, explain it to me.

  
  I guess Robert Smith and us ND fans on here are just conspiracy theorists. I don't give a shit who ND has "contracted"........ND is obviously NOT in a conference in football. I don't think the Big East refs are out there feeling obligated to give ND breaks. They fucked up....big time. It's not just ND fans pointing it out. Surely you understand this. And those two calls that you missed were blatant mistakes.
• karen lotz

  

  LJ;490135 wrote:i did watch most of the game, I didn't see those 2 plays. I was flipping back and forth between something the woman was watching. But I am pretty sure that 440 yards to MSU isn't very good.

  I guess that's just incredible timing that you didn't see two key plays late in the 4th quarter.
• LJ

  

  killer_ewok;490146 wrote:I guess Robert Smith and us ND fans on here are just conspiracy theorists. I don't give a shit who ND has "contracted"........ND is obviously NOT in a conference in football. I don't think the Big East refs are out there feeling obligated to give ND breaks. They fucked up....big time. It's not just ND fans pointing it out. Surely you understand this. And those two calls that you missed were blatant mistakes.

  
  You're like a brick wall. I didn't say they are trying to give breaks, but they are less likely to give a Big Ten school breaks. If they were Big Ten refs, sure, cry home cookin all you want. But they weren't. so just STFU
  

  "The responsibility is assigned to the Back Judge, who in this situation was standing beneath the upright. Proper mechanics dictate that his focus be directed to the play clock as it approaches zero. When the play clock display reads zero, he must re-direct his attention to the ball. At that time, if the snap has not started, a flag will be thrown for delay of game. If the snap has begun, no flag will be thrown.
  
  "Under these procedures, there will always be a small amount of lag time between the time the clock reads zero and the time the Back Judge is able to see the football.
  
  "On the play in question, this lag time created the situation where it appears the play clock expired just before the snap. We believe the snap occurred well within the normal lag time for the Back Judge to make this determination.
  
  "This play is not reviewable under current NCAA rules."

  Surely you understand this
  
  later
• LJ

  

  karen lotz;490147 wrote:I guess that's just incredible timing that you didn't see two key plays late in the 4th quarter.

  
  I didn't see most of the 4th quarter but saw all of the 2nd and 3rd and most of the 1st. I was able to get the remote back right before OT started.
• killer_ewok

  

  LJ;490151 wrote:You're like a brick wall. I didn't say they are trying to give breaks, but they are less likely to give a Big Ten school breaks. If they were Big Ten refs, sure, cry home cookin all you want. But they weren't. so just STFU
  
  
  
  Surely you understand this
  
  later

  
  If it's just bitter ND fans complaining about it......why did Robert Smith point it out as well? He specifically said "home cookin'."
  
  "So just STFU." Yeah, great response there.....
• killer_ewok

  

  LJ;490153 wrote:I didn't see most of the 4th quarter but saw all of the 2nd and 3rd and most of the 1st. I was able to get the remote back right before OT started.

  
  Grow a pair and tell her Lifetime isn't an option on Saturday.
• LJ

  

  killer_ewok;490163 wrote:If it's just bitter ND fans complaining about it......why did Robert Smith point it out as well? He specifically said "home cookin'."
  
  "So just STFU." Yeah, great response there.....

  
  Because he probably didn't know where the refs came from? He can be wrong ya know, LOL.
• killer_ewok

  

  LJ;490169 wrote:Because he probably didn't know where the refs came from? He can be wrong ya know, LOL.

  Kinda like how those refs can be wrong ya know, LOL.
• LJ

  

  killer_ewok;490173 wrote:Kinda like how those refs can be wrong ya know, LOL.

  "The responsibility is assigned to the Back Judge, who in this situation was standing beneath the upright. Proper mechanics dictate that his focus be directed to the play clock as it approaches zero. When the play clock display reads zero, he must re-direct his attention to the ball. At that time, if the snap has not started, a flag will be thrown for delay of game. If the snap has begun, no flag will be thrown.
  
  "Under these procedures, there will always be a small amount of lag time between the time the clock reads zero and the time the Back Judge is able to see the football.
  
  "On the play in question, this lag time created the situation where it appears the play clock expired just before the snap. We believe the snap occurred well within the normal lag time for the Back Judge to make this determination.
  
  "This play is not reviewable under current NCAA rules."

  confirmed correct
• killer_ewok

  

  LJ;490175 wrote:confirmed correct

  
  Cool. Any word on the other 2 calls they fucked up?