Week 3: Ohio @ Ohio State 12pm Big Ten Network

• devil1197

  Sabino isn't in the dog house, he is just getting beat out by other guys.
  
  How well has our LB core played so far, pretty damn well over the last two years that Sabino could have played.
• jordo212000

  

  trep knows what I am talking about. I was saying that Tress does not always play the better guy. Sometimes he is very reluctant to take his "guy" out of the lineup. Smith/Zwick is a perfect example of that.
  
  Yes, I played football Webfire, but if you follow Ohio State at all, you would know that their defense is very very simple compared to a lot of places. Heacock mentions all the time that he cares about his guys playing fast and does not want them thinking too much out there. Let's not insult Sabino's intelligence and say that he can't grasp the defense. Obviously Tress thinks Sweat has been better though, and he is the only person that matters.
• that_guy

  My guess is that the decision to start Sweat rather than Sabino was more Fickell & Heacock's decision than Tressels.
  
  I'm also unclear as to what Sabino has done on the field to make some people so sure that he's better than Sweat.
  
  I'll side with the coaches who see the two perform everyday in practice, rather than the internet fanboys who are still drooling over the 5 stars a few recruiting sites gave Sabino two years ago...
• devil1197

  jordo212000;487129 wrote:trep knows what I am talking about. I was saying that Tress does not always play the better guy. Sometimes he is very reluctant to take his "guy" out of the lineup. Smith/Zwick is a perfect example of that.
  
  Yes, I played football Webfire, but if you follow Ohio State at all, you would know that their defense is very very simple compared to a lot of places. Heacock mentions all the time that he cares about his guys playing fast and does not want them thinking too much out there. Let's not insult Sabino's intelligence and say that he can't grasp the defense. Obviously Tress thinks Sweat has been better though, and he is the only person that matters.

  Since OSU is sitting the better players on the bench, I am surprised their defense is any good.
  
  Let's not insult Tressel, since he has already said that Sabino needed to grasp the assignments in the past.
• LJ

  

  FatHobbit;487091 wrote:Zwick was horrible in the Marshall game, but through two games Troy was 2 for 5 for 29 yards and 1 touchdown. He had also run 6 times for 7 yards. those are hardly solid numbers that would make me want to bench my superstar recruit.
  
  
  
  Maybe because he hadn't earned his spot back in practice? He was suspended and he lost his starting position. Zwick led us to a bowl win over Oklahoma State and a win over Miami. Why would you bench him after that? His sophomore year Troy completed 55% of his passes for 896 yards, 8 touchdowns and 3 pics. He also ran for 339 yards and 2 touchdowns. Those are hardly stats that guarantee you a starting spot.
  
  I do agree that once your in the dog house with Tressel you have to work to get out of it, but I don't have a problem with that.

  
  Get the fuck outta here with facts
• lhslep134

  

  Sabino is red shirting this year on his own accord.
  
  He was beat out by Sweat, and after talking to the coaches, they all decided it would be better for his pro prospects by redshirting this year and starting next year.
  
  With the depth at LB, it's no worry he's not there.
• trep14

  FatHobbit;487091 wrote: Maybe because he hadn't earned his spot back in practice? He was suspended and he lost his starting position. Zwick led us to a bowl win over Oklahoma State and a win over Miami. Why would you bench him after that? His sophomore year Troy completed 55% of his passes for 896 yards, 8 touchdowns and 3 pics. He also ran for 339 yards and 2 touchdowns. Those are hardly stats that guarantee you a starting spot.

  
  True. But the big picture is that Zwick went 3-3 as a starter before being yanked for Smith. Troy Smith, even with those stats, went 4-1. And Zwick went may have went 2-0 in Smiths absence (vs Oklahoma State and Miami of Ohio), but common sense says you hand the job right back to Smith when he comes back. Zwick was solid but not out of this world in those two starts (17-27 for 189 yards against Oklahoma State, 17/23 for 155 yards against Miami of Ohio, a combined 2 TD's and 1 INT in those two games). How did giving Zwick significant time against Texas play out? My only memory of him in that game was that fumble that sealed the game. From that point on, we didn't see too much of Zwick.
• trep14

  LJ;487184 wrote:Get the fuck outta here with facts

  
  Zwick and Smith stats for 2004:
  
  . Comp Att Yds % TD INT Rating
  
  Zwick 98 187 1209 52% 6 6 110.9
  
  Smith 68 122 896 55% 8 3 134.1
  
  Yeah, I'd say Smith was better and probably should have been guaranteed a starting spot on his return.
• LJ

  

  trep14;487211 wrote:Zwick and Smith stats for 2004:
  
  . Comp Att Yds % yds/at TD INT Rating
  
  Zwick 98 187 1209 52.4 6.47 6 6 110.9
  
  Smith 68 122 896 55.7 7.34 8 3 134.1
  
  Yeah, I'd say Smith was better and probably should have been guaranteed a starting spot on his return.

  
  Yes, lets toss a Guy who hadn't played in a game in 9 months into the full starting spot in the biggest game of the year. Smith was shitty until mid season that year
• trep14

  LJ;487216 wrote:Yes, lets toss a Guy who hadn't played in a game in 9 months into the full starting spot in the biggest game of the year. Smith was shitty until mid season that year

  
  Haha he only played two bad games all season. San Diego State (and that was just in terms of passing, he had 2 td's and 87 yards on the ground) and Penn State..which I'm pretty sure was more a case of PSU's D was really good that year than anything about rust.
  
  Also, the most starts anyone has before a new season is one, for the bowl game. I'm not really buying the whole "hes rusty because he hasn't played a game in 9 months" thing. Some teams play big games on the first week of the season. Do they not start their best quarterback because he hasn't played a game since the bowl game in january?
• karen lotz

  

  jmog;487065 wrote:Oh I know where my B10 Network channel is, but what I'm saying is that a different game than Ohio St vs OU is listed as being shown on my guide.
  
  I have Dish Network in the Cleveland/Akron region and it is showing a different game.

  
  
  Do you have any of the BTN alternate channels? Which Big Ten game are they showing in that area?
• FatHobbit

  

  trep14;487200 wrote:True. But the big picture is that Zwick went 3-3 as a starter before being yanked for Smith. Troy Smith, even with those stats, went 4-1.

  Zwick went 3-3 with losses to Northwestern (finished 5-3 in the big ten), Wisconsin (finished 6-2 in the big ten) and Iowa (finished 7-1 in the big ten)
  
  Troy was 4-1 against Indiana (finished 1-7 in the big ten), Penn State (finished 2-6 in the big ten), Michigan State (finished 4-4 in the big ten), Purdue (finished 4-4 in the big ten) and Michigan (finished 7-1 in the big ten).
  
  The Michigan win was HUGE, but I'm not so sure we would have won those first three big ten games with Troy at QB.
  

  trep14;487200 wrote:And Zwick went may have went 2-0 in Smiths absence (vs Oklahoma State and Miami of Ohio), but common sense says you hand the job right back to Smith when he comes back. Zwick was solid but not out of this world in those two starts (17-27 for 189 yards against Oklahoma State, 17/23 for 155 yards against Miami of Ohio, a combined 2 TD's and 1 INT in those two games).

  Tressel made him earn the starting job back. I don't have a problem with that.
  

  trep14;487200 wrote:How did giving Zwick significant time against Texas play out? My only memory of him in that game was that fumble that sealed the game. From that point on, we didn't see too much of Zwick.

  
  Against Texas Zwick went 9/15 (60%) for 44 yards and ran 5 times for 11 yards. If Handby could have made the catch he would have had a touchdown too.
  
  Troy was 5/11 (45%) for 78 yards and a touchdown and ran 13 times for 27 yards.
  
  At the end of the game, OSU had the ball down by 1. Texas sacked Troy in the end zone for a safety. That was when the game was really over.
• jmog

  karen lotz;487222 wrote:Do you have any of the BTN alternate channels? Which Big Ten game are they showing in that area?

  
  I usually do on gamedays, but I still can't see/tell what is being played on them. The channels "pop up" close to gametime for some reason.
• FatHobbit

  

  trep14;487219 wrote:Haha he only played two bad games all season. San Diego State (and that was just in terms of passing, he had 2 td's and 87 yards on the ground) and Penn State..which I'm pretty sure was more a case of PSU's D was really good that year than anything about rust.

  That was in 2005 after he had already won the starting job.
• trep14

  FatHobbit;487233 wrote:Zwick went 3-3 with losses to Northwestern (finished 5-3 in the big ten), Wisconsin (finished 6-2 in the big ten) and Iowa (finished 7-1 in the big ten)
  
  Troy was 4-1 against Indiana (finished 1-7 in the big ten), Penn State (finished 2-6 in the big ten), Michigan State (finished 4-4 in the big ten), Purdue (finished 4-4 in the big ten) and Michigan (finished 7-1 in the big ten).
  
  The Michigan win was HUGE, but I'm not so sure we would have won those first three big ten games with Troy at QB.
  
  
  
  Tressel made him earn the starting job back. I don't have a problem with that.
  
  
  
  Against Texas Zwick went 9/15 (60%) for 44 yards and ran 5 times for 11 yards. If Handby could have made the catch he would have had a touchdown too.
  
  Troy was 5/11 (45%) for 78 yards and a touchdown and ran 13 times for 27 yards.
  
  At the end of the game, OSU had the ball down by 1. Texas sacked Troy in the end zone for a safety. That was when the game was really over.

  
  Ok but I mean if Zwick is going to struggle with Cincinnati and Marshall, is it really too much of a stretch to assume that he would have struggled with the teams that Smith played against?
  
  And the game was essentially over when Zwick fumbled with 2 minutes left on OSU's 20 with OSU down 1. Texas ran the clock down to 25 seconds, went for it on 4th down and OSU got the ball back with 0:25 seconds on their own 1 with no timeouts left. Sorry, I don't think Peyton Manning is bringing you back with those kind of odds.
  
  The fact of the matter is, it took Tressel wayyyy too long to play Smith over Zwick. I can't believe anyone who actually watched either of those two play would argue that Zwick ever looked like he was better than Smith. It tells me everything I need to know when we didn't see much of Zwick after the Texas game. He should have been replaced much sooner than he was in 2004 and he never should have been seeing significant time after Smith came back.
• trep14

  FatHobbit;487242 wrote:That was in 2005 after he had already won the starting job.

  
  Yeah but LJ's argument was that Smith was shitty halfway through 2005 because he was too rusty.
• FatHobbit

  

  trep14;487246 wrote:Ok but I mean if Zwick is going to struggle with Cincinnati and Marshall, is it really too much of a stretch to assume that he would have struggled with the teams that Smith played against?

  Maybe, but we'll never know. Maybe JZ would have been able to build up his confidence against the cupcakes.
  

  trep14;487246 wrote:And the game was essentially over when Zwick fumbled with 2 minutes left on OSU's 20 with OSU down 1. Texas ran the clock down to 25 seconds, went for it on 4th down and OSU got the ball back with 0:25 seconds on their own 1 with no timeouts left. Sorry, I don't think Peyton Manning is bringing you back with those kind of odds.

  I'll give you that Troy didn't have much of a chance, but he didn't have to give up the safety.
  

  trep14;487246 wrote:The fact of the matter is, it took Tressel wayyyy too long to play Smith over Zwick. I can't believe anyone who actually watched either of those two play would argue that Zwick ever looked like he was better than Smith. It tells me everything I need to know when we didn't see much of Zwick after the Texas game. He should have been replaced much sooner than he was in 2004 and he never should have been seeing significant time after Smith came back.

  
  I'm not saying Zwick played all world, I'm saying Troy wasn't so much better at that stage. Now it's easy to say that Troy was better, but then he didn't play that much better. It wasn't as clear then as you seem to want it to have been.
• LJ

  

  trep14;487248 wrote:Yeah but LJ's argument was that Smith was shitty halfway through 2005 because he was too rusty.

  Ill explain it to you later when I don't have to type it all out on my phone
• Firad

  

  Where are some good tailgating spots up there??
• sportchampps

  I get the big 10 network on uverse in kansas. Their showing the michigan game on the b10 network and the osu game on an alternqtive channel. I'm getting the pregame show but im afraid it will cut out when the game starts. does anyone know if uverse users get this channell
• osu45804

  

  Interception already!!!
• Fab1b

  

  Anyone got a link Comcast is screwing me over down here
• osu45804

  

  Then Tressel ball with the 1st drive ..... GREAT field position and it only results in 3 pts
• mallymal614

  Here we go again with Field Goals.
• mallymal614

  SMH at the buckeyes special teams.