ESPN College Football Live...What If?? OSU-Miami 2002 Natl Chanpionship

• dat dude

  TheMightyGators;424580 wrote:I don't really recall any controversial calls at the end of regulation. I'd have to see the replays.

  
  LOL. Educate yourself, my friend.
• Cleveland Buck

  

  
• dat dude

  WebFire;424205 wrote:Obvious is not the word I would use.

  
  Of course you wouldn't. But that wouldn't have anything to do with UM having their ass handed to them for the past six years, right?
• ironman02

  The picture posted by Cleveland Buck shows a good freeze frame of what happened. In motion, provided that you watch the right angle, you can see Sharpe hold Gamble off the line of scrimmage. Then Gamble tries a swim move with his right arm to free himself and come back to the ball. Sharpe grabs him again, stopping Gamble from turning his body completely back toward the football. Then the two players separate, which is the angle ESPN always shows, and Sharpe comes back into contact with Gamble as the ball actually arrives. Gamble should have caught the ball, but the contact (TWICE) by Sharpe, once as Gamble begins his route, and then again while the ball is in the air, surely had an effect on Gamble. Once again, the correct call was made. As I have said, along with others, the game should have never even reached this point though. Gamble ended the game when he made a catch on third down during OSU's last possession in regulation that would have allowed them to run out the clock. The officials actually missed that call and allowed Miami to regain possession and eventually tie the game at the end of regulation. Had that "incomplete" pass cost OSU a national championship, I'd bet that Mark May and his crew wouldn't make a peep about it. Nobody, outside of OSU fans or people who don't despise the Buckeyes, seems to remember that play. Probably because Dan Fouts wasn't having a coronary and screaming about it when it happened.
• cview

  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  The last one is the final third down play in regulation that has been mentioned a few times. I'm not sure if Gamble made the catch in bounds or not; I can't seem to find a pic and watching the replay(no matter how slowed down it is) doesn't look conclusive at all to me.
• cview

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• ytownfootball

  

  Those photos have to have been posted two dozen times since '02 that I've come across on various sites...there are still people who think it's BS and always will be.
  
  Fact is we got the hardware...tough shit.
• TheMightyGators

  cview;424851 wrote:
  
  

  
  LOL! The 2nd picture proves absolutely nothing. Gamble had already dropped the ball then the contact happened.
  
  Good analysis here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFpTkYMLzdc. Look at the 3:56 mark.
• WebFire

  dat dude;424776 wrote:Of course you wouldn't. But that wouldn't have anything to do with UM having their ass handed to them for the past six years, right?

  
  No. Aren't we talking about the 2002 Miami/OSU game? Nice try though.
• WebFire

  cview;424851 wrote:
  
  
  
  
  
  
  The last one is the final third down play in regulation that has been mentioned a few times. I'm not sure if Gamble made the catch in bounds or not; I can't seem to find a pic and watching the replay(no matter how slowed down it is) doesn't look conclusive at all to me.

  
  The last picture is the only one that proves anything. Looks like a holding call to me. (gasp dat dude - see, it has nothing to do with being a UM fan)
• WebFire

  cview;424851 wrote:
  The last one is the final third down play in regulation that has been mentioned a few times. I'm not sure if Gamble made the catch in bounds or not; I can't seem to find a pic and watching the replay(no matter how slowed down it is) doesn't look conclusive at all to me.

  
  I TAKE THAT BACK. That last picture isn't even the last play! Good grief.
• ernest_t_bass

  

  As an official, I fully agree that, if you're going to nit-pick one call, you have to consider other calls. You cannot focus on this one call, when there were other calls that could have helped determine the outcome.
• cview

  TheMightyGators;424991 wrote:LOL! The 2nd picture proves absolutely nothing. Gamble had already dropped the ball then the contact happened.
  
  Good analysis here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFpTkYMLzdc. Look at the 3:56 mark.

  
  
  
  How does the second picture prove nothing? In the video you showed, the ball goes BEHIND Gamble and Sharpe after Gamble mishandles it. If it were taken after Gamble had touched the ball, it would be off in the direction of the official or in the direction Glenn Sharpe is facing. It definitely doesn't go back toward where it came from. I would think someone that watched a video that replayed it 100 times would see that. Dipshit. The second picture clearly shows Glenn Sharpe holding down Chris Gamble's arms as well as his facemask. Depsite the minimal snag of the facemask, the PI on the arms was definitely legit.
  
  If you're going to post a video to compare to the picture, as least make sure you pay attention.
• Cleveland Buck

  

  TheMightyGators;424991 wrote:LOL! The 2nd picture proves absolutely nothing.

  
  What does the first picture show?
• Sonofanump

  I am pretty sure that I am one of the most qualified person on this website to judge this play. I am pretty sure that I am also more qualified than Eric Kuselias, Rod Gilmore and Mark May to judge the validity of the call.
  
  The correct call was absolutely made.
  
  Porter did correctly have two fouls, defense holding and defensive interference. ironman02 is correct that both fouls would have resulted in the same penalty since a legal pass was thrown beyond the line of scrimmage in the end zone. Both result in auto first down, holding would have been half the distance, DPI would put the ball at the 2 yard line.
  
  It amazes me how many people incorrectly comment the rules of college football.
  Fan is short for fanatic, being unbiased and the ability to be objective is hard for fans to achieve.
• queencitybuckeye

  WebFire;425033 wrote:The last picture is the only one that proves anything. Looks like a holding call to me. (gasp dat dude - see, it has nothing to do with being a UM fan)

  
  That miss if called ends the game in regulation.
• WebFire

  queencitybuckeye;425267 wrote:That miss if called ends the game in regulation.

  
  Is that what that pic is?
• WebFire

  Sonofanump;425261 wrote:I am pretty sure that I am one of the most qualified person on this website to judge this play. I am pretty sure that I am also more qualified than Eric Kuselias, Rod Gilmore and Mark May to judge the validity of the call.
  
  The correct call was absolutely made.
  
  Porter did correctly have two fouls, defense holding and defensive interference. ironman02 is correct that both fouls would have resulted in the same penalty since a legal pass was thrown beyond the line of scrimmage in the end zone. Both result in auto first down, holding would have been half the distance, DPI would put the ball at the 2 yard line.
  
  It amazes me how many people incorrectly comment the rules of college football.
  Fan is short for fanatic, being unbiased and the ability to be objective is hard for fans to achieve.

  
  I am not questioning what the definition of the call is. But where is the PA? Watch the vid several times every time this conversation comes up and I do not see it.
  
  And I assume you are a ref? So that means no one else with eyes and football knowledge can decide a call? I coach football, so I think I may be somewhat qualified.
• Sonofanump

  WebFire;425308 wrote:I am not questioning what the definition of the call is. But where is the PA? Watch the vid several times every time this conversation comes up and I do not see it.
  
  And I assume you are a ref? So that means no one else with eyes and football knowledge can decide a call? I coach football, so I think I may be somewhat qualified.

  
  1) What is PA? The person in the press box that announces the down and distance to the crowd?
  
  2) I am not a "ref", that is the man with the white hat that give the penalty signals. I am a field/side judge or deep wing, the same position that Porter worked that game. It takes more than just watching something to know how it works and what meets the definition in the rule book.
  
  3) You coach NCAA rules college football? I really would like to know what level you coach at.
• TheMightyGators

  cview;425206 wrote:How does the second picture prove nothing? In the video you showed, the ball goes BEHIND Gamble and Sharpe after Gamble mishandles it. If it were taken after Gamble had touched the ball, it would be off in the direction of the official or in the direction Glenn Sharpe is facing. It definitely doesn't go back toward where it came from. I would think someone that watched a video that replayed it 100 times would see that. Dipshit. The second picture clearly shows Glenn Sharpe holding down Chris Gamble's arms as well as his facemask. Depsite the minimal snag of the facemask, the PI on the arms was definitely legit.
  
  If you're going to post a video to compare to the picture, as least make sure you pay attention.

  
  LOL!! DId you even watch the video? Are you delusional? The ball is already behind Gamble, and he is turning back towards the ball.
  
  None of this matters anyway. OSU won. Most of America thinks it was a bad call and Miami got screwed. End of discussion.
• WebFire

  Sonofanump;425337 wrote:1) What is PA? The person in the press box that announces the down and distance to the crowd?
  
  2) I am not a "ref", that is the man with the white hat that give the penalty signals. I am a field/side judge or deep wing, the same position that Porter worked that game. It takes more than just watching something to know how it works and what meets the definition in the rule book.
  
  3) You coach NCAA rules college football? I really would like to know what level you coach at.

  
  You're just being a snooty bitch now. I meant PI, not PA. And are you telling me that only "NCAA level" field/side judges or deep wings know what pass interference is?
• WebFire

  Regardless, I don't know why OSU fans defend it so hard. If it were me, I'd just so everybody pics of the NC trophy and call it a day.
• darbypitcher22

  

  
  
  Your wish is my command
• WebFire

  ^^^ There you go, it's settled.
• Sonofanump

  WebFire;425564 wrote:You're just being a snooty bitch now. I meant PI, not PA. And are you telling me that only "NCAA level" field/side judges or deep wings know what pass interference is?

  
  Well, if you "watched the video over and over again and did not see the pass interference" and over half of America thinks it was a bad call then it is apparent that you and over half of America has no clue what pass interference is. I hope that you do not question the officials at whatever level you coach at. I am sure I come across as condescending, but when those who do not understand state something incorrect, I find it hard not to correct them.