Do You Hate Referees?
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ernest_t_bass
Before I start, I'm a basketball official, and a damn good one! I just got back from a game tonight, and it was ugly basketball. Ugly basketball isn't easy to officiate, but we did a good job. In ugly games, with ugly teams, NO ONE likes the officials.
My question to you... When you go to a game (any sport) do you yell at the officials like maniacs, or do you keep quiet? I never understood the idiots in the stands that scream at the top of their lungs at officials. -
wes_mantooth
nope, but officials have off nights just like the kids playing in the games. -
ernest_t_bass
I will agree with that, definitely. Do they deserve to get screamed at? Why don't fans scream at the kids when they screw up?wes_mantooth wrote: nope, but officials have off nights just like the kids playing in the games. -
wildcats20
I don't hate officials. I hate officials who are on power trips and think they can say and do whatever they want. And I really hate when calls are blatantly missed and he/she says "my bad." And I hate refs that won't give me, as a coach, the time of day to explain something or hear my opinion. -
wes_mantooth
No they don't, but they are the fans frustration outlet. Is it fair, no.....these officials aren't making shit for what they put up with.
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tk421
They do. Nothing more pathetic than some grown ass adults in the stands berating a kid for missing a shot or making a mistake.ernest_t_bass wrote:
I will agree with that, definitely. Do they deserve to get screamed at? Why don't fans scream at the kids when they screw up?wes_mantooth wrote: nope, but officials have off nights just like the kids playing in the games. -
ernest_t_bass
Wildcats, I agree with a lot you have to say. However, when talking to an official (honest question)... do you want to hear what he/she has to say, or just give them your opinion? Many coaches make it extremely difficult to talk to them, b/c they don't want to listen... they just want to tell you you're wrong.
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ernest_t_bass
I got $60. I'll take it! I don't mind the yelling... if I screw up. It's the yelling b/c of fans who don't know the rules.wes_mantooth wrote: these officials aren't making shit for what they put up with. -
wildcats20
MOST of the time I do want to hear an explanation, because usually there are more than one legit way of seeing a call. But even when they come over and explain something, the ref usually doesn't want to hear my(a coach's) thoughts. Which there is nothing more frustrating.ernest_t_bass wrote: Wildcats, I agree with a lot you have to say. However, when talking to an official (honest question)... do you want to hear what he/she has to say, or just give them your opinion? Many coaches make it extremely difficult to talk to them, b/c they don't want to listen... they just want to tell you you're wrong. -
ernest_t_bass
Thing that sucks, wildcats, is that the game must go on. There are MANY times that I wish I could talk with a coach for 5 minutes, just to talk, and get on the same page.
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majorspark
At worst I may lean over and tell my wife "that was a terrible call". I expect officials to make mistakes. Most at the varsity level are quite good. I know a few that when I see they are reffing I know they will do an excellant job. Personally when I see someone coming unglued over al call, I don't mean yelling a few words, but crazy like a nuthatch. I would like to personally go up a slug the guy. -
wes_mantooth
You wanna slug Tucci?...lolmajorspark wrote: At worst I may lean over and tell my wife "that was a terrible call". I expect officials to make mistakes. Most at the varsity level are quite good. I know a few that when I see they are reffing I know they will do an excellant job. Personally when I see someone coming unglued over al call, I don't mean yelling a few words, but crazy like a nuthatch. I would like to personally go up a slug the guy. -
ernest_t_bass
I don't like being a spectator b/c people will look at me and say... "what do you think? Would you have called that?" When my nephew was playing, it was damn near impossible to sit by my wife. If I said I agreed, she'd get pissed.
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majorspark
This drive me nuts. I hate a fan that bitches at a call and is totally wrong because they don't know the rules.ernest_t_bass wrote:
I got $60. I'll take it! I don't mind the yelling... if I screw up. It's the yelling b/c of fans who don't know the rules.wes_mantooth wrote: these officials aren't making shit for what they put up with. -
majorspark
All the time. He drives me nuts.wes_mantooth wrote:
You wanna slug Tucci?...lolmajorspark wrote: At worst I may lean over and tell my wife "that was a terrible call". I expect officials to make mistakes. Most at the varsity level are quite good. I know a few that when I see they are reffing I know they will do an excellant job. Personally when I see someone coming unglued over al call, I don't mean yelling a few words, but crazy like a nuthatch. I would like to personally go up a slug the guy. -
wildcats20
Oh for sure, but there are also many stoppages(I'm specifically talking about basketball) where it would be very easy to explain. I will say this, I have only met maybe 2 officials who I don't respect. And that is because they didn't respect me. I was a 21 year old 8th grade coach and I got more respect from opposing fans than I did from this crew we had for a tourny game. One of the guys refused to shake my hand pregame and never once looked my way when I would ask for an explanation or anything. And the other guy was just as bad. He called me son, kid, and boy throughout the game. I might have been young, but there was no way in hell I deserved the treatment I got. Needless to say, after the game I talked with the AD of the host school and he let me know that they had had problems with those guys in the past; and he did everything he could to not have them back.ernest_t_bass wrote: Thing that sucks, wildcats, is that the game must go on. There are MANY times that I wish I could talk with a coach for 5 minutes, just to talk, and get on the same page. -
Laley23
Im in my first year officiating, and I must say its amazing how little fans (even coaches) know the rules. I also wish the 3 second rule would just go away, lol. I swear its the ONLY rule fans know.....and they dont know it correctly (IE when the count is suspended because of shots being taken or post player receiving a pass and making a move to the goal).
Wildcats, I will give my explanation of a foul to the coach. I will not let the game be suspended for a coach wanting to tell me his opinion, but I will go back and listen at foul shots, end of quarters, etc. As soon as a stoppage in play comes along I will listen. -
stroups
I never played basketball but speaking of baseball.
As a former catcher I alway had a special relationship with umpires and I would actually have there back more than my coaches sometimes. The strike zone is somewhat subjective and can be hard to determine but all I am looking for is consistency. -
Fab1b
12yr veteran HS Wrestling official here. I can understand sometimes the frustration from fans/parents/coaches, etc...we surely have off nights too. It's a thankless job that is for sure but one that has to be done. I wish more people would officiate if they had the time. A. Sports need officials B. You'll understand real quick how it feels. -
wildcats20
3 seconds is the worst rule in basketball IMO.Laley23 wrote: Im in my first year officiating, and I must say its amazing how little fans (even coaches) know the rules. I also wish the 3 second rule would just go away, lol. I swear its the ONLY rule fans know.....and they dont know it correctly (IE when the count is suspended because of shots being taken or post player receiving a pass and making a move to the goal).
Wildcats, I will give my explanation of a foul to the coach. I will not let the game be suspended for a coach wanting to tell me his opinion, but I will go back and listen at foul shots, end of quarters, etc. As soon as a stoppage in play comes along I will listen.
And that is exactly what I am talking about Laley. Obviously, the game can't be held up; but there are more than enough stoppages to talk. I have even had refs tell me to go back to my bench during the first few seconds in between quarters when I had a 2 second question. -
wildcats20
My bro caught and always said the same thing.stroups wrote: I never played basketball but speaking of baseball.
As a former catcher I alway had a special relationship with umpires and I would actually have there back more than my coaches sometimes. The strike zone is somewhat subjective and can be hard to determine but all I am looking for is consistency. -
ernest_t_bass
Wildcats, what level do you coach now?
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Fab1b
Great point on not knowing the rules. I am too amazed by the number of people that want to confront officials when they have no clue what the rules actually are.
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Laley23
Oh, and I HATE fans who remind me that "fouls are 8 to 3!" I mean, honestly I have NO CLUE what team I am calling fouls on. I wouldnt know what the foul count is unless they pointed it out. As a referee, I dont usually have a clue as to the team that is winning (until I obviously need to, at the end for fouling purposes etc.) But for the most part, I have no clue what team is fouling more. So from that perspective, I could not be biased in my calls, lol.
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wildcats20
Currently not coaching at the moment. But before I had the 8th grade team, I was an asst. on a varsity team. And now that I think about it, I was 22 with that team. It was my first 3 years out of HS as an asst.ernest_t_bass wrote: Wildcats, what level do you coach now?