Penn State Scandal - Freeh Report Released

• Tigerfan00

  

  friendfromlowry;1224769 wrote:IMO, this story can't come and go soon enough. Terrible story for everyone involved. I can't decide if PSU needs further punishment. Paterno's dead, Sandusky will die in jail, a few others will be due in court. I've been watching the basketball game on ESPN tonight and the bottom line on the screen is nothing but the report claiming this while the family is saying this. Who knows.

  Sadly until another huge story comes along, every media outlet is going to drain this story for all its worth and then some. Theres also the lawsuits that are going to happen and maybe even a few more who havent come out and said anything yet or even more people who knew about it. Then Im sure there will be a 2 hour special when Paternos statue is torn down so its far from over.
• Manhattan Buckeye

  friendfromlowry;1224769 wrote:IMO, this story can't come and go soon enough. Terrible story for everyone involved. I can't decide if PSU needs further punishment. Paterno's dead, Sandusky will die in jail, a few others will be due in court. I've been watching the basketball game on ESPN tonight and the bottom line on the screen is nothing but the report claiming this while the family is saying this. Who knows.

  I don't know about more punishment, the university is going to suffer greatly for a long time. However, after reading the entire report I don't think this story should ever go away. It should be required reading for all institutional leaders, boards of directors/executive officers, government leaders, etc. as to what can happen when you put your own brand and reputations ahead of common human decency (not to mention legal requirements). Absolutely disgusting behavior by these so called leaders. It isn't just the big 4 (Curley, Schultz, Curley, Paterno) but the rest of their sycophants that were worried about their brand. What was the idiot lawyer's name, Cynthia something or the other, who advised against independent review because once they start it's difficult to get of them. She should be disbarred. She was in-house so it wasn't as if she enjoyed attorney-client privilege.
• Dr Winston O'Boogie

  

  My point was that schools should not be let off of NCAA sanctions solely because those responsible for the infractions have been terminated. This is an argument I hear regarding Penn State - punishing the football program now brings consequences to those who had nothing to do with this. I think this is not valid. An institution can and should be held accountable regardless of its having severed ties with individuals. If not, no would never be responsible because they could always fire the guilty parties in order to avoid punishment.
• SportsAndLady

  

  Manhattan Buckeye;1224812 wrote:I don't know about more punishment, the university is going to suffer greatly for a long time. However, after reading the entire report I don't think this story should ever go away. It should be required reading for all institutional leaders, boards of directors/executive officers, government leaders, etc. as to what can happen when you put your own brand and reputations ahead of common human decency (not to mention legal requirements). Absolutely disgusting behavior by these so called leaders. It isn't just the big 4 (Curley, Schultz, Curley, Paterno) but the rest of their sycophants that were worried about their brand. What was the idiot lawyer's name, Cynthia something or the other, who advised against independent review because once they start it's difficult to get of them. She should be disbarred. She was in-house so it wasn't as if she enjoyed attorney-client privilege.

  Any idea to my question above?
  

  I wonder the legal side to that...if someone donates x amount of money to have his name on the library for y years, and he commits a terrible crime , can they take his name off the library?

• Manhattan Buckeye

  I don't know the answer. It is possible that the naming of a building is symbolic, and if so it can be taken down without legal repercussion. If it was named as a result of a financial infusion by a donor with an expectation of term, ideally there would be some sort of contract involved. Ideally the contract would provide for some sort of termination if the donor engaged in a crime of moral turpitude or the sort, or some other sort of termination that may or may not involve a repayment of the donation. My guess, and this is only a guess, there was never a contract regarding the library, it was just an honor that can be taken away but again I don't know. Only the PSU administration and Paterno's family know.
• Tiernan

  "Tear that statue down Mr. Gorbachev!"
• Scarlet_Buckeye

  

  To add insult to injury........in speaking with an attorney friend of mine yesterday, coming from the legal world, Penn State is a "state" instituion, therefore, there are going to be all kinds of caps and limitations (protections) on any monetary settlements any of the victims are entitled to that are going to protect Penn State as a lucrative institution. My attorney friend told me that the victims in the VA Tech tragedy got peanuts due to these same sort of caps. This attorney indicated it could very well be that all these Penn State Victims are not going to walk away from this with bucket loads of money due to the protective type statutes/caps that state instituions are shielded under.
• Tiernan

  ^^^
  which is a good thing. Just because you got raped doesn't entitle you to buckets of money. You are entitled to justice and you got that with Sandusky going to jail.
• Raw Dawgin' it

  

  Scarlet_Buckeye;1224927 wrote:To add insult to injury........in speaking with an attorney friend of mine yesterday, coming from the legal world, Penn State is a "state" instituion, therefore, there are going to be all kinds of caps and limitations (protections) on any monetary settlements any of the victims are entitled to that are going to protect Penn State as a lucrative institution. My attorney friend told me that the victims in the VA Tech tragedy got peanuts due to these same sort of caps. This attorney indicated it could very well be that all these Penn State Victims are not going to walk away from this with bucket loads of money due to the protective type statutes/caps that state instituions are shielded under.

  Honestly, there has to be other wise the school would go bankrupt.
• Raw Dawgin' it

  

  Tiernan;1224933 wrote:^^^
  which is a good thing. Just because you got raped doesn't entitle you to buckets of money. You are entitled to justice and you got that with Sandusky going to jail.

  So you think all civil suits that stem from criminal suits are dumb? got it. Families of murder victims deserve no compensation for their loses either.
• isadore

  Tiernan;1224933 wrote:^^^
  which is a good thing. Just because you got raped doesn't entitle you to buckets of money. You are entitled to justice and you got that with Sandusky going to jail.

  when the leadership of an institution was an accomplice to the rape, it does entitle you to "buckets of money."
  '
• Glassy

  

  Melt the statue down, turn it into a massive dildo and give every Penn St University cover up artist an anus full of bronze that hopefully comes out the top of their head and explodes them into little pieces.
  
  Problem solved.
• queencitybuckeye

  To the idea that the NCAA is a body capable of administering "justice" in a case so far beyond their scope and competence, I give you:
  
  http://deadspin.com/5925700/prestigious-university-penalized-for-lack-of-institutional-control-in-athletics-program
  
  NCAA needs to let the grownups handle the Penn State mess.
• Manhattan Buckeye

  queencitybuckeye;1224946 wrote:To the idea that the NCAA is a body capable of administering "justice" in a case so far beyond their scope and competence, I give you:
  
  http://deadspin.com/5925700/prestigious-university-penalized-for-lack-of-institutional-control-in-athletics-program
  
  NCAA needs to let the grownups handle the Penn State mess.

  
  I've got mixed feelings on this one. Despite CalTech's incredible academic reputation, it appears they want to compete (if finishing last is competing) in the NCAA, yet doesn't want the hassle of dealing with NCAA rules - even the basic ones like having a compliance department. It sounds like they wanted to draw attention themselves, and if so they succeeded with a $5,000 fine. I'm sure their basketball team with guys that wouldn't make my HS's JV feel bad about their inability to play in the postseason.
• queencitybuckeye

  Manhattan Buckeye;1224956 wrote:I've got mixed feelings on this one. Despite CalTech's incredible academic reputation, it appears they want to compete (if finishing last is competing) in the NCAA, yet doesn't want the hassle of dealing with NCAA rules - even the basic ones like having a compliance department. It sounds like they wanted to draw attention themselves, and if so they succeeded with a $5,000 fine. I'm sure their basketball team with guys that wouldn't make my HS's JV feel bad about their inability to play in the postseason.

  I'd agree if the rules were the dog and not the tail they're supposed to be.
• fish82

  

  Raw Dawgin' it;1224935 wrote:So you think all civil suits that stem from criminal suits are dumb? got it. Families of murder victims deserve no compensation for their loses either.

  That's what life insurance is for.
• Manhattan Buckeye

  queencitybuckeye;1224963 wrote:I'd agree if the rules were the dog and not the tail they're supposed to be.

  I agree but all of the penalties with teeth were self-imposed according to the article and the attached link. The NCAA really did nothing to them other than agree with the administration that they didn't meet even the most basic standards to comply with NCAA competition. The article focuses on the 3 week trial course period, but doesn't give any evidence why. Buried in the article is that there was little to no follow up by the university for enrollment other than the registration period. That can't work in collegiate sports. Note also that the NCAA committee were people from other D-III schools, certainly not a big power grab by the Michigans, Alabamas and Notre Dames of the world.
• queencitybuckeye

  Manhattan Buckeye;1224972 wrote:I agree but all of the penalties with teeth were self-imposed according to the article and the attached link. The NCAA really did nothing to them other than agree with the administration that they didn't meet even the most basic standards to comply with NCAA competition. The article focuses on the 3 week trial course period, but doesn't give any evidence why. Buried in the article is that there was little to no follow up by the university for enrollment other than the registration period. That can't work in collegiate sports. Note also that the NCAA committee were people from other D-III schools, certainly not a big power grab by the Michigans, Alabamas and Notre Dames of the world.

  That they can handle situations like this one, yet can do nothing about the head of two major programs convicted of cheating being allowed to move on to arguably the top job in the country is pretty solid evidence IMO that the last thing serving the interest of justice would be this organization getting within a million miles of State College PA.
• Tiernan

  Raw Dawgin' it;1224935 wrote:So you think all civil suits that stem from criminal suits are dumb? got it. Families of murder victims deserve no compensation for their loses either.

  What amount of compensation is going to make you feel better over a murdered family member? And typically what low-life murderers have a pot to piss in to begin with. Yes compensation for crime is very dumb.
• Manhattan Buckeye

  queencitybuckeye;1224983 wrote:That they can handle situations like this one, yet can do nothing about the head of two major programs convicted of cheating being allowed to move on to arguably the top job in the country is pretty solid evidence IMO that the last thing serving the interest of justice would be this organization getting within a million miles of State College PA.

  I'm not sure they (the NCAA) did anything other than rubber stamp the self-inflicted penalties a laughable athletic department gave themselves. There are some people that find it admirable that Caltech consistently presents an athletic program that hopelessly can't compete - to some extent as long as the student athletes are trying their best IMO they can stay in the D-III system and I wish them the best but they still have to abide by NCAA rules. From what I've read about their basketball program they have people that never dribbled a ball before. I agree that the NCAA should likely stay away from the PSU situation, but Caltech isn't doing itself any favors with this publicity.
• lhslep134

  

  SportsAndLady;1224892 wrote:Any idea to my question above?

  It would depend on the conditions attached to the donations, sort of like a contract, I'm guessing breaches would work both ways.
  
  I'm too lazy to look up Pennsylvanian case/statutory law, maybe I'll do it at work next week, but I'm curious if the victims could get around the public institution cap by suing the actual administrators who covered it up individually. Sort of like how Jonathan Vilma can't (by signing the CBA) sue a team or the league, but I think he's gonna get away with suing Roger Gooddell as in individual.
• Mulva

  

  Nike is all about protecting children.
• OneBuckeye

  

  http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2012/07/jerry_sandusky_case_three_men.html
  
  

  Sources close to the Jerry Sandusky case say that three men have come forward and told police that they were abused in the 1970s or 1980s by the convicted pedophile.
  
  
  They are the first men to allege abuse before the 1990s, and if found to be credible, would directly attack the 68-year-old's defense argument that a person doesn't become pedophile in his or her 50s.

  Two sources with knowledge of the investigation say police are aware these men have come forward.
  
  
  It is not known, however, if these men were contacted or interviewed by Louis Freeh's team, which was hired by Penn State to do an internal review of the scandal and the university's response.

• thavoice

  Was wondering how long it was gonna take for news of victims that go back even further.
  
  I cannot imagine what percentage of those who were abused who came forward. There weer ten in the trial recently? I would have to think that well less than half, probably like 10% or so, would come forward in this. I bet ya most of them just didnt want it to come out, some have lived passed it and no one knew, and figured that they had enough to convict him anyways.
  
  I wouldnt doubt that he did this to 100+
• OneBuckeye

  

  ROFL
  
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