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Penn State Scandal - Freeh Report Released

  • thavoice
    TedSheckler;1224229 wrote:Wow. Yea, recruiting violations are so much worse than raping kids in athletic complexes.
    Never said that.
    Giving a death penalty to an athletic program should be reserved for those types of acts that directly bring in, illegally, players like at SMU.
  • Manhattan Buckeye
    A tragedy in all respects, although the report isn't particularly surprising. Once the verdict came in there was a lot of talk (the credibility can be debated at the time, it may have proven to be correct) about Sandusky's predatory manner being known much earlier than the prosecution's case's timeline.

    It is beyond the football program, PSU is in trouble as an institution. I'm not sure how punishing the program in any additional manner helps.
  • TedSheckler
    NCAA Bylaw
    19.01.2 Exemplary Conduct. Individuals employed by or associated with member institutions for the administration, the conduct or the coaching of intercollegiate athletics are, in the final analysis, teachers of young people. Their responsibility is an affirmative one, and they must do more than avoid improper conduct or questionable acts. Their own moral values must be so certain and positive that those younger and more pliable will be influenced by a fine example. Much more is expected of them than of the less critically placed citizen.
  • Dr Winston O'Boogie
    There needs to be institutional accountability. Even if the only people that knew about it are gone, so what. Without that, no institution is accountable - they can always just fire those in the know and move on.

    Fact is, a culture was allowed to exist there that led to horrific crimes. I understand that the kids there today didn't do any of this, but that is why they could be given the opportunity to transfer if they still want to play football. Only be punishing the institution will other schools see the consequences of not monitoring their own culture. With football coaches being idolized they way they are, what happened at Penn State is not impossible somewhere else.
  • FatHobbit
    Dr Winston O'Boogie;1224245 wrote:I understand that the kids there today didn't do any of this, but that is why they could be given the opportunity to transfer if they still want to play football.
    IMO this is a great idea and should be part of any NCAA punishment. It's total BS that kids go to a school and then are punished for something they had nothing to do with, while the players or coaches who cheated walk away and get nothing.
  • Scarlet_Buckeye
    I posted this in the college forum and wanted to share it here...

    http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ncaaf--...sandusky-.html

    I've been listening to it today on the radio. The big take-a-ways are...

    1. Paterno and Penn State first found out about Jerry Sandusky back in '98
      • They did nothing.
    2. Paterno and Penn State received news AGAIN in '01
      • Penn State wanted to do something [apparently], but after meeting with Paterno, they changed their once decided course of action [and did nothing].
    3. For 14 YEARS, after the first report, Paterno and Penn State ALLOWED a sexual predator to roam their campus, keep an office, be around young boys, etc.
      • I have no idea how one allows that man - Jerry Sandusky - to even set foot on that campus, let alone have a private office, after knowledge of these crimes
    The statue has to come down. It's a symbol of the power he had over that program (Penn State), and now that power is forever tarnished. It has to come down.
    I knew how great JoePa was... I know what he meant to not only Pennsylvania, but college football as a whole... but this is simply UNACCEPTABLE. To preach how Penn State prides itself on success and with morals, and then HIDE these horrific crimes is... well... I can only just #SMH.



    I doubt this will ever come out, but I would NOT be surprised one bit if someday we end up finding out that Paterno & Sandusky had a... "thing" together. Would not surprise me in the least. Why? Because I just cannot understand for the life of me why that man (Sandusky) was allowed to remain around that campus, especially once Paterno knew about it (and now, all our beliefs about how Paterno was likely running that University, are ALL being confirmed, and even to a level that many never even suspected).
  • queencitybuckeye
    Dr Winston O'Boogie;1224245 wrote:There needs to be institutional accountability. Even if the only people that knew about it are gone, so what. Without that, no institution is accountable - they can always just fire those in the know and move on.
    Again, who involved with this is going to just be fired? No one mentioned in the report, that's a pretty sure bet. Who?
  • Manhattan Buckeye
    "I doubt this will ever come out, but I would NOT be surprised one bit if someday we end up finding out that Paterno & Sandusky had a... "thing" together."

    I doubt this was the case, I do think Paterno knew about Sandusky well before 1998 and tolerated it up to a point. How could he not know? 1998 was the tipping point and I think that is why Sandusky "retired", and if anything Paterno did nothing afterwards because he thought that once Sandusky left the program it wasn't his "issue" or the program's issue anymore and more of a university matter. It is just a disgusting situation.
  • OneBuckeye
    queencitybuckeye;1224252 wrote:Again, who involved with this is going to just be fired? No one mentioned in the report, that's a pretty sure bet. Who?
    The board of trustee's.
  • 4cards
    ...Something I'd like to bring up about the Freeh report is that a couple of "janitors" @ Penn State who witnessed the abuse by Sandusky didn't say anything. Why? When they were asked about it they stated that they were "afraid of losing their jobs"! WTF, you're a freaking janitor! What their aren't "janitor jobs" out there to be had? These gutless mother FR's need to be thrown in the slammer for also not doing anything to stop the abuse & to protect those kids.
  • OneBuckeye
    4cards;1224275 wrote:...Something I'd like to bring up about the Freeh report is that a couple of "janitors" @ Penn State who witnessed the abuse by Sandusky didn't say anything. Why? When they were asked about it they stated that they were "afraid of losing their jobs"! WTF, you're a freaking janitor! What their aren't "janitor jobs" out there to be had? These gutless mother FR's need to be thrown in the slammer for also not doing anything to stop the abuse & to protect those kids.
    When you are a janitor at a school or a state university you get pretty good benefits for your education/skill level. You get govt healthcare and retirement. I would hope they would have went anonymously to police, but still their worry about losing their job should not relate to their position as "freaking janitor".
  • hasbeen
    TedSheckler;1224136 wrote:He's a legend. Leave him alone.
    Heretic;1224144 wrote:A legend at covering up pedo-ing who happened to also be a really good coach?
    TedSheckler;1224153 wrote:No need to trample on a man's grave.
    Not trampling on a mans grave. His legacy is tarnished and that's a fact. I don't care how good of a football coach he was or how many people he helped. The kids he allowed to be hurt will be what is remembered.
  • vball10set
    hasbeen;1224298 wrote:Not trampling on a mans grave. His legacy is tarnished and that's a fact. I don't care how good of a football coach he was or how many people he helped. The kids he allowed to be hurt will be what is remembered.
    My sentiment as well.
  • TedSheckler
    hasbeen;1224298 wrote:Not trampling on a mans grave. His legacy is tarnished and that's a fact. I don't care how good of a football coach he was or how many people he helped. The kids he allowed to be hurt will be what is remembered.
    Trampler. What about all the good he's done over the past 50 years?
  • hasbeen
    TedSheckler;1224307 wrote:Trampler. What about all the good he's done over the past 50 years?
    Like I said. All that good was ruined when he allowed however many KIDS, young KIDS, get SEXUALLY ABUSED. I don't give a damn about the people he helped. He could have done the RIGHT thing and chose not to. That will tarnish his legacy.
  • 4cards
    OneBuckeye;1224290 wrote:When you are a janitor at a school or a state university you get pretty good benefits for your education/skill level. You get govt healthcare and retirement. I would hope they would have went anonymously to police, but still their worry about losing their job should not relate to their position as "freaking janitor".
    ...God forbid that good benefits, govt. healthcare & retirement should be thought of ahead of that of a defensless child being raped by some psycho!
  • OneBuckeye
    4cards;1224314 wrote:...God forbid that good benefits, govt. healthcare & retirement should be thought of ahead of that of a defensless child being raped by some psycho!
    I don't disagree. I just disagree that a Janitor values his job less than someone else.
  • TedSheckler
    hasbeen;1224313 wrote:Like I said. All that good was ruined when he allowed however many KIDS, young KIDS, get SEXUALLY ABUSED. I don't give a damn about the people he helped. He could have done the RIGHT thing and chose not to. That will tarnish his legacy.
    That's just your opinion. History will forget this little blip.
  • queencitybuckeye
    4cards;1224314 wrote:...God forbid that good benefits, govt. healthcare & retirement should be thought of ahead of that of a defensless child being raped by some psycho!
    Don't disagree, but your earlier post read as if they shouldn't be concerned about their jobs because they're just a janitor, as opposed to something more "important". If anything, that thought process would be exactly backward, IMO.
  • hasbeen
    TedSheckler;1224330 wrote:That's just your opinion. History will forget this little blip.
    Blip?

    You're disgusting.
  • TedSheckler
    Not as disgusting as someone who's not willing to forgive a dead legend for a minor lapse he had in judgement.
  • Con_Alma
    TedSheckler;1224219 wrote:This is a lack of institution control that lasted at least 14 years and covering this up was most definitely a competitive advantage. And they've been selling Paterno's integrity to recruits for how many years now?
    Sounds like they had complete control to me. That was the problem. What they did with the control is the issue.
  • Heretic
    hasbeen;1224343 wrote:Blip?

    You're disgusting.
    I'm pretty sure he's being a bit sarcastic considering that some people were taking that exact stance when things started to happen at Penn State last year.
  • hasbeen
    TedSheckler;1224348 wrote:Not as disgusting as someone who's not willing to forgive a dead legend for a minor lapse he had in judgement.
    Heretic;1224355 wrote:I'm pretty sure he's being a bit sarcastic considering that some people were taking that exact stance when things started to happen at Penn State last year.
    I sure as fuck hope so.
  • karen lotz
    Tiernan;1224175 wrote:They are already DEAD as far as any top recruits even considering going to Pedo State U.

    Not true, although this report might change that.