Justin, Forgive Me, And Lock This As Well If Necessary.

• Hamp89

  Agreed that bellly is/was completely out of line, but it doesn't make some of these posters look any better who are calling him out.
  
  Just ignore the dude, he'll either go away, or clean up his act. Let him make the choice.
• DeyDurkie5

  

  Hamp89 wrote: Agreed that bellly is/was completely out of line, but it doesn't make some of these posters look any better who are calling him out.
  
  Just ignore the dude, he'll either go away, or clean up his act. Let him make the choice.

  doesn't matter about looking good, to call someone out based on the color of their skin is uncalled for.
• alwaysafan

  DeyDurkie5 wrote:

  Hamp89 wrote: Agreed that bellly is/was completely out of line, but it doesn't make some of these posters look any better who are calling him out.
  
  Just ignore the dude, he'll either go away, or clean up his act. Let him make the choice.

  doesn't matter about looking good, to call someone out based on the color of their skin is uncalled for.

  And posting pictures and making fun of his appearance is OK? Belly has irked me many times with his pointless diatribes and nonsensical comments, but cut the guy some slack. It is his problem if he feels the need to be a bully. Let's not make it ours.
• Upper90

  I will say that it does no one any service to stoop right down to (or, at least....NEAR) his level, IMO.
  
  For me, my intent was to simply respond to blatant racist comments that were directed towards me, that I didn't have a chance to respond to due to the other thread being locked.
  
  I can't say I feel too bad about the general response, but as far as I go, my aim isn't to really insult, at least not the person. Just the intelligence, and intentions.
  
  Because, at the end of it all, this probably isn't even the worst I'll hear in the next 12 months, or if it is, I consider myself fortunate. As I stated, it's good enough for me to shake my head, feel a bit bad for the person for having those feelings/thoughts, and move on.
• HitsRus

  

  I said in another thread that freedom (as in 'free' huddle) entails responsibility...and that some people would push the envelope and the limits of decency. This is what I was talking about. At some point you guys are going to have to set limits and enforce them. This would be a good place to start.
  
  I don't necessarily mean locking this thread...light is what darkness most fears.
• futbol4ever

  Alwaysafan,
  Weren't u a moderator on that $12 site? What are you doing here?
• 3reppom

  

  As a general rule I try to stay away from things like this but I can't really do it this time. Freehuddle is a community and as a community there basic mores that everyone abides to. One of them is to refrain from personal attacks, something Belly forgot or didn't care to know. To call someone out based on skin color, ethnicity or religious beliefs is so ridiculous. Freehuddle is a much more relaxed environment; but there is a base level of acceptable human interactions be it in person, over the phone or online. Belly violated the basic requirements to be here and as a result should have two options; be reasonable and act like an adult or get the fuck out of here
• CenterBHSFan

  

  I don't know.
  
  If that many people want Belly (or any other person) banned, it's as simple as putting Belly/anybody on ignore. Take, what? 10 seconds? Then, he is banned from your eyesight.
  
  I think GoChiefs nailed it - it's too easy and then they couldn't complain about it.
  
  *On a side note. Can we put ourselves on ignore?
• baseball4

  

  HitsRus wrote: I said in another thread that freedom (as in 'free' huddle) entails responsibility...and that some people would push the envelope and the limits of decency. This is what I was talking about. At some point you guys are going to have to set limits and enforce them. This would be a good place to start.
  
  I don't necessarily mean locking this thread...light is what darkness most fears.

  The "free" isn't for "freedom". It's because the old site decided to screw everyone and start charging again after we paid a "lifetime" membership.
  
  By the way, I never thought LIFETIME would be a word embraced with parenthesis.
  
  And yeah, alwaysafan was a mod on JJ. He is probably here doing some scouting so that they can learn to run an honest business.
• believer

  

  I'm not here to defend Belly specifically. But I'd like to weigh-in on a couple of things.
  
  First let's touch on racism. I think we all agree that racism is an ugly thing and certainly needs to be avoided. Nevertheless I think we are ALL lying inside at least a little if we are in denial that we are not or have not been racist to a certain degree at some point in our lives. Does this make it OK? No. But the rants on here about "Belly's a racist but I ain't" is 100% nonsense. I think this great nation is slowly but surely inching towards the day that skin color won't matter. But in the meantime, spare me the "I'm morally above you because you're racist and I'm not" BS. NONE of us are 100% non-racist if we were completely transparent about the issue.
  
  Second it's amazing how "tolerant" we can be on FREEHuddle about things like dropping obscenities all over the forums, or posting near-porn pics on the threads, or slamming people of faith for believing in their fairy tale religions, or a host of other things that some might find offensive. But for some reason it's perfectly fine to swarm on a specific poster and lambaste them for expressing their opinions even if those opinions may not be politically correct. Either FREEHuddle is open and tolerant of opinions across-the-board or it isn't.
  
  Hit the ignore button, don't read their posts, or do whatever you need to do but censorship and personal attacks are no better than the ugliness of racism.
• believer

  

  baseball4 wrote:And yeah, alwaysafan was a mod on JJ. He is probably here doing some scouting so that they can learn to run an honest business.

  Trust me on this and you can take this to the bank...AAF is not here scouting.
• GoChiefs

  

  LMAO..yeah..not the real AAF.
• Belly35

  

  I agree I should be ban
  Looking back I did cross that line Yes very much but was it intentional. Not really
  The inability to articulate my words and to express my feel in a more coherent matter is difficult for me. How some of you took my comments is justified. But the poor writing skill is not an excuse. I said what I said and that can not be altered.
  I have take this same type of bashing before because of my unwillingness to waver my feeling of what is right in that given situation however it was a reversal from this situation. My daughter and I being the only whites to support a black player and family. Does that good deed justify a wrong my wrong now…No
  Am I a racist and and a bigot at times Yes I can’t hide the fact that I have strong feeling about something and speak what is on my mind. ….in General No ….I’m a caring individual and give of myself in time and money and support to all. I don’t hide under the political correctness banner. That is the other additional down fall to this situation.
  I look at the over all picture of a situation and make my judgment call..does that racist or bigot make the final decision NO…..it tries not to and I make the decision based on what I deem is right, fair and justified.
  In this situation right, fair and justified ..it is an to ban me.
  
  I’m not pleading for forgiveness just the understand on an individual to whom you don’t know. Is that a form of racist and bigotry?
  That this same mentality that created this situation.
  
  I have sent PM to some please read i would like to stay in communication with you on this matter.
• se-alum

  

  It's nearly impossible to make sense of that post.
• ernest_t_bass

  

  Belly, I understand the whole "comprehension" thing when you type, but does the same principle apply when it comes to proofreading? Serious question.
• Belly35

  

  ernest_t_bass wrote: Belly, I understand the whole "comprehension" thing when you type, but does the same principle apply when it comes to proofreading? Serious question.

  
  Being dyslexic and with poor grammar and reading skills (both at a seventh grade level) is a problem but the biggest problem is not taking my time. Thinking faster than I type and typing poorly than I spell the combo make for a hard time to communicate on the typed word.
  At work I record everything and someone else types and does the letter writing.
  As I have stated before I don’t get paid to type or send out the written word I get paid to make decision and to make things happen to make companies successful.
  
  How in the hell did he graduate from college….
  In 1971 I bought a Mac SE system (all most $4000.00 the system was better that the college) and was able to tap into the internet ..
  
  Reports, research, term papers everything I needed to …..
  Work smart not hard …find a way to achieve
• Chesapeake

  

  Belly35 wrote:I have sent PM to some please read i would like to stay in communication with you on this matter.

  Are you looking to settle this out of court?
• Belly35

  

  Chesapeake wrote:

  Belly35 wrote:I have sent PM to some please read i would like to stay in communication with you on this matter.

  Are you looking to settle this out of court?

  
  No I'm looking to demostrate, understand and gain knowlege from some of those who bashed me. I face my situation I don't hide from anything.
• Belly35

  

  Chesapeake wrote:

  Belly35 wrote:I have sent PM to some please read i would like to stay in communication with you on this matter.

  Are you looking to settle this out of court?

  No but those who alter my picture and posted it could find themself in a problem for copy rigth violation and slander. Plus this site could also have legal problems. I dislike lawyer to being with so why feed them
  Plus I'm not that type of a person until I get piss off and that take a lot to do.
  
  I will take what has happen ...wrong is wrong
• justincredible

  

  Belly, thanks for chiming in. We're giving you a two week "vacation" from freehuddle for stepping over the line. Don't let it happen again or your vacation will be permanent.
  
  I am also curious what legal problems this site (i.e. me) could have?
• justincredible

  

  BTW, point out where a picture of you was altered and I will remove it from the site.
• ernest_t_bass

  

  Belly35 wrote:No, but those who altered my picture and posted it could find themselves in a problem for copyright violation and slander. Plus this site could also have legal problems. I dislike lawyers to begin with, so why feed them?
  
  Plus I'm not that type of a person until I get pissed off, and that takes a lot to do.
  
  I will take what has happened ...wrong is wrong

  Fixed
• j_crazy

  

  If you're referring to my pictures don't worry I'll take them down myself (except on the thread that is locked, a mod will have to do that).
  
  But Belly I want you to know that what you said offended me, and I'm white. I have a family member who converted to judaism and to have you say what you did really pissed me off. You should also know that until 12.11.2009 at 02:23 PM (when you made the initial post) I had nothing but respect for you. But at 02:28 PM on 12.11.2009 (when you replied to my question), I lost all respect for you and didn't care if you were slandered.
• BigAppleBuckeye

  

  Belly35 wrote:
  How in the hell did he graduate from college….
  In 1971 I bought a Mac SE system (all most $4000.00 the system was better that the college) and was able to tap into the internet ..
  

  Wow, besides a talent to insult African-Americans without forming a complete sentence, you seem to have developed the skill of time-travel. Wasn't the internet invented in the late 80s?
• justincredible

  

  BigAppleBuckeye wrote: Wow, besides a talent to insult African-Americans without forming a complete sentence, you seem to have developed the skill of time-travel. Wasn't the internet invented in the late 80s?

  ARPANET was around in the 60s.
  
  Per wiki:

  In March, 1970, the ARPANET reached the U.S. East Coast, when an IMP at BBN itself was joined up to the network. Thereafter, the network grew quickly: 9 IMPs by June 1970, and 13 by December; 18 by September, 1971 (at which point 23 hosts, at universities and government research centers, were connected to the ARPANET); 29 by August, 1972, and 40 by September, 1973.