Would you sell short to buy a nicer house at a better value?

• Steel Valley Football

  Con_Alma;1079790 wrote:I don't care if there is any curb appeal. If there was not any curb appeal I would do nothing different to add it.
  
  It is completely irrelevant with regards to my dwelling and to me.

  The following statement trumps the post quoted above:
  
  You are unaware that you concerned. That will always be true no matter what you post
• Con_Alma

  I appreciate your certainty but your ability to prove my what my interest is hasn't yet been displayed. Your statement of your inability to do so was just as certain as your above post.
• Heretic

  

  
• Con_Alma

  It usually is when we chat!
• Steel Valley Football

  Con_Alma;1079823 wrote:I appreciate your certainty but your ability to prove my what my interest is hasn't yet been displayed. Your statement of your inability to do so was just as certain as your above post.

  Your interest was established when you bought or built the property in question, in addition to anything you've ever done to the property since then; regardless of what it was. THOSE actions, by you, set your home's level of curb apeal and potential showing ability. The fact that you will never sell your property does not matter.
  
  The apparent inability by you to comprehend (or admit this) has led to me to revert to this default statement:
  
  You are unaware that you are concerned. That will always be true no matter what you post.
• FatHobbit

  

  Heilige fick you guys will argue about this forever.
  
  Con_Alma does not care what people think about his property.
  
  His property does have curb appeal (whether good or bad) that is affected by what he does to it. Even if he doesn't care.
  
  Lol, how can you still be arguing about this?
• Steel Valley Football

  FatHobbit;1079977 wrote:Heilige fick you guys will argue about this forever.
  
  Con_Alma does not care what people think about his property.
  
  His property does have curb appeal (whether good or bad) that is affected by what he does to it. Even if he doesn't care.
  
  Lol, how can you still be arguing about this?

  
  Because normal rules dont apply to Con Alma. He is SPECIAL.
• Con_Alma

  Steel Valley Football;1079965 wrote:Your interest was established when you bought or built the property in question, in addition to anything you've ever done to the property since then; regardless of what it was. THOSE actions, by you, set your home's level of curb apeal and potential showing ability. The fact that you will never sell your property does not matter.
  
  The apparent inability by you to comprehend (or admit this) has led to me to revert to this default statement:
  
  You are unaware that you are concerned. That will always be true no matter what you post.

  
  Having a home doesn't automatically create an interest in it's appearance. Have a home is a basic necessity. I need shelter and because I need it doesn't make it appealing.
  
  I need toilet paper too. I don't care how appealing that is either.
• Con_Alma

  Steel Valley Football;1080015 wrote:Because normal rules dont apply to Con Alma. He is SPECIAL.

  It's amusing that you think there are rules associated with subjective tastes.
• password

  

  Steel Valley Football;1079579 wrote:"Taking pride in ownership" is simply another marketing fluff phrase. It's so general that it's almost meaningless.
  
  CA doesn't care what people think about his property. So, would he look foolish saying he has no concern with pride of ownership? Yes, he would. It's the exact same thing.

  My point is that people can plant flowers and trees to give it curb appeal but if they don't take care of the house, such as windows, roof, siding or keeping the brick clean, people will still think of it as a dump. I would think that most people want to have a nice home that they can be proud of.
• Steel Valley Football

  password;1080349 wrote:My point is that people can plant flowers and trees to give it curb appeal but if they don't take care of the house, such as windows, roof, siding or keeping the brick clean, people will still think of it as a dump. I would think that most people want to have a nice home that they can be proud of.

  
  
  Planting flowers does not constitute curb appeal. Regardless, I'm glad you brought up "pride in ownership" because PIO, in real estate terms, results from a combination of curb appeal and showing well.
  
  Here's why what Con Alma said Is super dumb:
  
  curb appeal: maintained and clean on the outside
  shows well: clean and organized on the inside
  
  He's basically saying he doesn't care if his house has the above qualities. His obvious problem is that he's hung up on the wording in the phrases and being stubborn about the semantics. "Appeal" and "shows" imply other people being involved (ie buyers).
  
  Though, since his house is not for sale and no other people are involved and there is no realtor to speak those terms, he is saying he doesn't care if his house is clean, maintained, and organized overall. THAT and that alone was the original conversation. Several people thought it was a dumb thing to say. Unless, of course, maybe Con Alma is dirty white trash and really doesn't care that he lives in filth. Because that's what he's really saying.
  
  Let's see how he spins this now lol.
• Con_Alma

  No Spin at all. I am sorry I don't know how to be more clear.
  
  I don't care if my house is "clean, maintained and organized overall".
  
  I care that it's suited best for me and what I want. I don't care at all if it is or is not deemed as being clean, mainatined and organized as you might define it. You seem to think I should worry about if you or someone else is able to decide if I live in filth or if I have a maid service once a week. I don't.
  
  You seem to believe that I must care if my home is determined by others to be organized? Why would I? For what reason should I be concerned about it being labeled as well organized?
  
  It's my home. It's a place of habitation. It doesn't have to be mae out to be more than it is which is a shelter. Nothing more. Its not a display piece for others to admire or criticize. It's shelter.
  
  Is it clean or is it dirty? Probably neither but it really doesn't matter. Is it maintained or is it falling apart? Probably neither but it doesn't matter so long as it provides shelter. Is it organized or is it disheveled? Who cares?
  Certainly not I.
  
  The real question is does it provide me and my family shelter. That's it. If you think I care about curb appeal you couldn't be more wrong....potential buyers or not.
• Steel Valley Football

  Con_Alma;1085438 wrote:No Spin at all. I am sorry I don't know how to be more clear.
  
  I don't care if my house is "clean, maintained and organized overall".
  
  I care that it's suited best for me and what I want. I don't care at all if it is or is not deemed as being clean, mainatined and organized as you might define it. You seem to think I should worry about if you or someone else is able to decide if I live in filth or if I have a maid service once a week. I don't.
  
  You seem to believe that I must care if my home is determined by others to be organized? Why would I? For what reason should I be concerned about it being labeled as well organized?
  
  It's my home. It's a place of habitation. It doesn't have to be mae out to be more than it is which is a shelter. Nothing more. Its not a display piece for others to admire or criticize. It's shelter.
  
  Is it clean or is it dirty? Probably neither but it really doesn't matter. Is it maintained or is it falling apart? Probably neither but it doesn't matter so long as it provides shelter. Is it organized or is it disheveled? Who cares?
  Certainly not I.
  
  The real question is does it provide me and my family shelter. That's it. If you think I care about curb appeal you couldn't be more wrong....potential buyers or not.

  
  Are you stoned? Who mentioned other people? I, in fact, took all the other people out of the equation in my last post. Your inability to get away from that fact (from the beginning even) shows how truly confused you really are. This is twice now, in fact.
• Con_Alma

  Steel Valley Football;1085782 wrote:Are you stoned? Who mentioned other people? ...

  I did. Are you unable to recognise two different points put together for further clarification?
  
  Here's the first one that may interest you.

  Con_Alma wrote:...I don't care if my house is "clean, maintained and organized overall". ...

  
  
  Here's the second.
  
  

  Con_Alma wrote:...You seem to believe that I must care if my home is determined by others to be organized? Why would I? For what reason should I be concerned about it being labeled as well organized? ...

  
  The reason the second point is added is because it would take someone esle to actually label or define it. I certainly wouldn't. That's the point.
  
• Steel Valley Football

  Please make sense on your next post. There are no other people involved.
• Con_Alma

  Steel Valley Football;1085851 wrote:Please make sense on your next post. There are no other people involved.

  If there are no other people involved then the home can't be labeled clean, maintained or organized because it would take another person to do so. I won't. I don't care about it.
  
  If it's just me involved there won't be a determination of clean, maintained, or organized because I don't care about curb appeal. When it comes to your argument there has to be another person involved. If there isn't, there's not a determination of clean, maintained or organized. If that's the case there's no curb appeal.
• Steel Valley Football

  Con_Alma;1086420 wrote:If there are no other people involved then the home can't be labeled clean, maintained or organized because it would take another person to do so. I won't. I don't care about it.
  
  If it's just me involved there won't be a determination of clean, maintained, or organized because I don't care about curb appeal. When it comes to your argument there has to be another person involved. If there isn't, there's not a determination of clean, maintained or organized. If that's the case there's no curb appeal.

  
  That's not true. We've already established that a home's characteristics exist even if the home is vacant. Please use a valid argument (ie please make sense).
• Con_Alma

  Steel Valley Football;1086492 wrote:That's not true. We've already established that a home's characteristics exist even if the home is vacant. Please use a valid argument (ie please make sense).

  Yes it's the characteristics that I am referring to. Those characteristics must be identified or labeled as curb appeal. For them to be determined to be curb appeal someone, some time, anytime had to define it as such. That person may have even done so in a general "marketing fluff" way for all house,not even specifically referring to mine. That's the individual I am referencing. Even if you take that out of the equation the following should suit your determination of my status.
  

  Con_Alma wrote:...I don't care if my house is "clean, maintained and organized overall". ...

• Steel Valley Football

  Con_Alma;1086675 wrote:Yes it's the characteristics that I am referring to. Those characteristics must be identified or labeled as curb appeal. For them to be determined to be curb appeal someone, some time, anytime had to define it as such. That person may have even done so in a general "marketing fluff" way for all house,not even specifically referring to mine. That's the individual I am referencing. Even if you take that out of the equation the following should suit your determination of my status.

  You are still using illogical reasoning. The characteristics your home has exist regardless of what happens in the outside world.
  
  If a homeowner plants a tree, that tree exists regardless of who sees it or who has an opinion about it. Same with a deck built or a lawn mowed. Each action or inaction changes the home's level of curb appeal, regardless of who sees it or doesn't see it. Your home is no different, regardless of how special you think it is or how special you think you are.
• LJ

  

  is this really still going?
• Steel Valley Football

  LJ;1086878 wrote:is this really still going?

  It did not stop just because I asked a question you could not answer.
• LJ

  

  Steel Valley Football;1086885 wrote:It did not stop just because I asked a question you could not answer.

  
  I just didnt feel like going in circles with you. Looks like that was the right choice
• Con_Alma

  Steel Valley Football;1086877 wrote:You are still using illogical reasoning. The characteristics your home has exist regardless of what happens in the outside world.
  
  ...

  Maybe you don't read so well.
  
  I don't care about the characteristics that exist. That has always been my point.
  
  For the characteristics to be labeled as "curb Appeal" it would take someone other that I to make such a definition....because I don't care. That's where the second person would come in to play. That label would even be general for all homes inclusive of mine. Because I don't care about such things someone would have to have the desire to define such a "marketing fluff" definition.
• Steel Valley Football

  Con_Alma;1087148 wrote:Maybe you don't read so well.
  
  I don't care about the characteristics that exist. That has always been my point.
  
  For the characteristics to be labeled as "curb Appeal" it would take someone other that I to make such a definition....because I don't care. That's where the second person would come in to play. That label would even be general for all homes inclusive of mine. Because I don't care about such things someone would have to have the desire to define such a "marketing fluff" definition.

  
  This is a joke, right? Or, did you really just intend to make this ridiculous comment?
• Steel Valley Football

  LJ;1087072 wrote:I just didnt feel like going in circles with you. Looks like that was the right choice

  Going in circles or not having a proper answer to refute my comment. However you want to put it is fine by me.