Would you sell short to buy a nicer house at a better value?

• Steel Valley Football

  LJ;1075953 wrote:It is not correct, because if he doesn't plan on selling ever, the value that any curb appeal has is 0. Meaning it is worthless.

  
  Does a house that is not currently listed for sale NOT have curb appeal? I'm very curious to see your answer on this, LJ. Explain your reasoning if you would, please.
  
  I'll get back w ya soon CA. I have to get up early.
• ZWICK 4 PREZ

  

  Well I rejected and countered, he rejected and countered with $500 more and I told him to fuck off.. figuratively.
• Con_Alma

  Steel Valley Football;1076752 wrote:Does a house that is not currently listed for sale NOT have curb appeal? I'm very curious to see your answer on this, LJ. Explain your reasoning if you would, please.
  
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  There's no way to know without seeing it. It could be horrendous looking. The reasoning behind this is because not all are appealing to everyone . Appeal is subjective...and the owner still wouldn't care either way and that's the point.
• LJ

  

  Steel Valley Football;1076752 wrote:Does a house that is not currently listed for sale NOT have curb appeal? I'm very curious to see your answer on this, LJ. Explain your reasoning if you would, please.
  
  I'll get back w ya soon CA. I have to get up early.

  It can have appeal. That does not mean that it is worth anything. As for "showing well", well that one is impossible without listing hte house for sale.
• LJ

  

  ZWICK 4 PREZ;1076799 wrote:Well I rejected and countered, he rejected and countered with $500 more and I told him to fuck off.. figuratively.

  You come back at your original asking price? That usually fires them up pretty well.
• ZWICK 4 PREZ

  

  LJ;1076811 wrote:You come back at your original asking price? That usually fires them up pretty well.

  No I went down 4 grand he went up $500. So piss on him.
• Con_Alma

  Atta boy. Sell it for what it's worth to you. No less.
• Steel Valley Football

  Con_Alma;1076802 wrote:There's no way to know without seeing it. It could be horrendous looking. The reasoning behind this is because not all are appealing to everyone . Appeal is subjective...and the owner still wouldn't care either way and that's the point.

  LJ;1076810 wrote:It can have appeal. That does not mean that it is worth anything.

  
  I'm not following your logic.
  
  Who determines the curb appeal of a particular house? The value or utility in that curb appeal, I mean. The owner of the house or the potential market participants?
• Con_Alma

  Steel Valley Football;1077426 wrote:I'm not following your logic.
  
  Who determines the curb appeal of a particular house? The value or utility in that curb appeal, I mean. The owner of the house or the potential market participants?

  Wouldn't both as it pertains to themselves?
• Steel Valley Football

  LJ;1076810 wrote: As for "showing well", well that one is impossible without listing hte house for sale.

  That's an illogical statement. "Showing well" can be defined. *Generally speaking, without looking up a definition, it pertains to the interior, and means clean and organized without clutter. It is a characteristic of any house regardless of whether it's listed for sale or not.
  
  By your logic, a clean and organized house that is listed for sale that is then taken off the market can become unclean and unorganized even if no changes occurred inside the house. The only change being that it was taken of the market.
  
  Perhaps the owner has died. The characteristics of the interior still remain the same.
• Steel Valley Football

  Con_Alma;1077427 wrote:Wouldn't both as it pertains to themselves?

  
  No. The owner sets the level of curb appeal. The market sets the value of that curb appeal.
  
  Furthermore, your house has curb appeal to a certain portion of the market. Buyers who are exactly like you, however small that segment may be.
• Con_Alma

  Steel Valley Football;1077429 wrote:That's an illogical statement. "Showing well" can be defined. *Generally speaking, without looking up a definition, it pertains to the interior, and means clean and organized without clutter. It is a characteristic of any house regardless of whether it's listed for sale or not.
  
  By your logic, a clean and organized house that is listed for sale that is then taken off the market can become unclean and unorganized even if no changes occurred inside the house. The only change being that it was taken of the market.
  
  Perhaps the owner has died. The characteristics of the interior still remain the same.

  I understood his statement as it can't "show well" if it isn't shown.
• Con_Alma

  Steel Valley Football;1077434 wrote:No. The owner sets the level of curb appeal. The market sets the value of that curb appeal.
  
  Furthermore, your house has curb appeal to a certain portion of the market. Buyers who are exactly like you, however small that segment may be.

  When both buyer and seller have the same desires doesn't that raise the appeal to that buyer.
  
  When they have different desires doesn't that lower the appeal to that buyer?
  
  It's subjective it would seem.
• Steel Valley Football

  Con_Alma;1077442 wrote:When both buyer and seller have the same desires doesn't that raise the appeal to that buyer.
  
  When they have different desires doesn't that lower the appeal to that buyer?
  
  It's subjective it would seem.

  
  The buyer has done nothing to set the level of curb appeal the house has. That would be impossible to do as they are not the owner. So, they have only judged the curb appeal level the owner has set by their actions.
  
  The owner sets the curb appeal. The buyer, or buyers (the market) judge that level.
• Steel Valley Football

  Con_Alma;1077437 wrote:I understood his statement as it can't "show well" if it isn't shown.

  
  Does a house have certain characteristics if no one looks at it?
  
  For example, would a certain house cease to be a two-story home (or whatever style) if people have not yet seen the house?
• Con_Alma

  Steel Valley Football;1077478 wrote:The buyer has done nothing to set the level of curb appeal the house has. That would be impossible to do as they are not the owner. So, they have only judged the curb appeal level the owner has set by their actions.
  
  The owner sets the curb appeal. The buyer, or buyers (the market) judge that level.

  I didn't say the buyer set it I don't believe but rather that their belief or perception of what is and isn't appealing.
  
  As the owner i have no interest in it even existing and wouldn't perpetuate it's presence to anyone but it just doesn't matter to me.
• Steel Valley Football

  Con_Alma;1077497 wrote:I didn't say the buyer set it I don't believe but rather that their belief or perception of what is and isn't appealing.
  
  As the owner i have no interest in it even existing and wouldn't perpetuate it's presence to anyone but it just doesn't matter to me.

  Except your house already has a set level of curb appeal based on your actions or inactions. Just because no buyer has seen your house (i.e. valued the level of curb appeal your house has), doesn't mean your level of curb appeal ceases to exist. It's is there regardless and it is constant until your actions or inactions change it.
• Steel Valley Football

  Con_Alma;1076917 wrote:Atta boy. Sell it for what it's worth to you. No less.

  
  You should ignore this post, Zwick.
• Con_Alma

  Steel Valley Football;1077517 wrote:Except your house already has a set level of curb appeal based on your actions or inactions. Just because no buyer has seen your house (i.e. valued the level of curb appeal your house has), doesn't mean your level of curb appeal ceases to exist. It's is there regardless and it is constant until your actions or inactions change it.

  The lack of desire to recognize or have any curb appeal will impact that as you have described above. That has always been my premise. I don't care about it. Not being concerned with the appeal or lack thereof will as you described have to have an impact on it.
  
  It simply doesn't play a factor in how or what I do at the home because it has not impact on me or my family living there.
• Steel Valley Football

  Con_Alma;1077713 wrote:The lack of desire to recognize or have any curb appeal will impact that as you have described above. That has always been my premise. I don't care about it. Not being concerned with the appeal or lack thereof will as you described have to have an impact on it.
  
  It simply doesn't play a factor in how or what I do at the home because it has not impact on me or my family living there.

  Except, aside from only repeating yourself, your are failing to acknowledge that your house does have curb appeal to a certain segment of the market. The segment that wants to live secluded, hidden, and hermit-like...if that is what your house is like.
  
  Also, you are failing to understand that your house can have curb appeal from the lake and that your property setup from that standpoint will appeal to yet another segment of the market.
  
  Round and round we go...
• gut

  ZWICK 4 PREZ;1076799 wrote:Well I rejected and countered, he rejected and countered with $500 more and I told him to **** off.. figuratively.

  IMO, that maybe confirms for you what FMV is. Because unless he was REALLY stretching on your price, to only come up $500 pretty much means he was trying to steal it or lowball you. He's not necessarily a flipper, but there are certainly buyers who will go around and put in a bunch of lowball offers until someone bites. Don't blame them, I'd do the same
  
  Anyone who wanted your house and willing to pay fair value would have countered more than $500. I hope you get what you want, but you might not get $12k more. But based on this guy you should probably be able to get $6k more than he offered, anyway. Really kind of bizarre. If you're lowballing, I'd still think you have more flexibility to counter more than $500. In any case, why even bother with countering +$500. That's a joke. Good for you cutting your losses and not wasting your time with another counter.
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  Curb appeal is only one persons opinion. Taking pride in your property is more important to people than curb appeal. You can plant all the trees and flowers you want around your house but if it is not well maintained on the exterior of the home, it is still a dump.
• Con_Alma

  Steel Valley Football;1077807 wrote:Except, aside from only repeating yourself, your are failing to acknowledge that your house does have curb appeal to a certain segment of the market. The segment that wants to live secluded, hidden, and hermit-like...if that is what your house is like.
  
  Also, you are failing to understand that your house can have curb appeal from the lake and that your property setup from that standpoint will appeal to yet another segment of the market.
  
  Round and round we go...

  How am I failing to understand that? I do understand it. The Lake is the only place you can see the house from. If you are at the dock looking at angle through the trees you can catch a glimpse of that house. What makes you think I don't understand that?
  
  Do you not understand that it's the lack of concern or desire to truly have "curb Appeal" that initiated the comments? Do you not understand that there's nor reason or interest on my behalf to have "curb appeal"? That's the pooint and nothing you have offered negates that fact. Maybe you are not intending to negate it. That's O.K. but it's the only thing that truly matters. I don't care bout my home having "curb Appeal"
  
  The repetitive nature of my posts is because I am not certain that the main point is prominent enough in the banter.
• Con_Alma

  password;1077925 wrote:Curb appeal is only one persons opinion. Taking pride in your property is more important to people than curb appeal. You can plant all the trees and flowers you want around your house but if it is not well maintained on the exterior of the home, it is still a dump.

  This.
  
  This "curb appeal"consideration is subjective to the individual. The point of the discussion is that because it's subjective, another person's determination of the home having appeal or being a dump is unimportant to me as it relates to my home. It just doesn't matter what other people think about it.
• Steel Valley Football

  Con_Alma;1078023 wrote:How am I failing to understand that? I do understand it. The Lake is the only place you can see the house from. If you are at the dock looking at angle through the trees you can catch a glimpse of that house. What makes you think I don't understand that?
  
  Do you not understand that it's the lack of concern or desire to truly have "curb Appeal" that initiated the comments? Do you not understand that there's nor reason or interest on my behalf to have "curb appeal"? That's the pooint and nothing you have offered negates that fact. Maybe you are not intending to negate it. That's O.K. but it's the only thing that truly matters. I don't care bout my home having "curb Appeal"
  
  The repetitive nature of my posts is because I am not certain that the main point is prominent enough in the banter.

  
  The main point has always been that it's a silly and nonsensical thing to say. By saying such a thing, you appear foolishly unable to get past the words themselves. My point is proven by your similar stance on your house showing well. Even sillier is the fact that you are so adamant about it and even, for some odd reason, act proud of your claim.
  
  
  Curb appeal = maintained and clean on the outside
  Shows well = clean and organized on the inside
  
  
  These are things homeowners do just based on human nature. Now, if you want to say your house is atypical or was built for the non-conventional buyer then thats another thing altogether, but you cant get past (or wont comprehend) the fact that these phrases are fluff terms to get buyers to look at certain listings rather than others. That doesn't involve you. At all. They will never see your house. Ever. That makes it a really odd thing to say. Period.