Childhood Obesity

• Scarlet_Buckeye

  

  justincredible;1039729 wrote:But it's not the fault/problem of the company. Like I said, eating junk food is fine as long as it's done in moderation. It is up to the parent to limit how much their kid is eating.

  Agreed. But I think corporations should focus on making "junk food" -like foods that taste just as good but carry less calories, carbs, fats, etc.
• thavoice

  I will say this, i have yo yo'd with my weight over the years. Not something I am proud of.
  
  Mentioned before in years past when people on message boards would talk how they cannot afford to eat healthy.
  
  When I am in good weight loss mode, eating healthy and such, i really start to bank the money. When you start to eat healthy you eat less. Common sense.
  
  FF does seem cheap and such, but if you are smart and go to the market, buy healthier foods and actually eat them in lieu of eating out (uh huh, I said eating out) then you will be far ahead.
  
  What happens is people go to the market, spend money on healthy stuff, let it sit and rot while they still eat on the go, or buy too much and it rots. All it takes is a little planning to really eat healthier, and eat cheaper.
• justincredible

  

  thavoice;1039740 wrote:I will say this, i have yo yo'd with my weight over the years. Not something I am proud of.
  
  Mentioned before in years past when people on message boards would talk how they cannot afford to eat healthy.
  
  When I am in good weight loss mode, eating healthy and such, i really start to bank the money. When you start to eat healthy you eat less. Common sense.
  
  FF does seem cheap and such, but if you are smart and go to the market, buy healthier foods and actually eat them in lieu of eating out (uh huh, I said eating out) then you will be far ahead.
  
  What happens is people go to the market, spend money on healthy stuff, let it sit and rot while they still eat on the go, or buy too much and it rots. All it takes is a little planning to really eat healthier, and eat cheaper.

  Good post. We save a ton of money when we buy healthy stuff at the grocery store and I take dinner leftovers to work the next day or take a salad or healthy sandwich. If I go get fast food I'm spending $6-9 a meal. We can buy an entire weeks worth of food for the two of us for about $60-70 (and that includes stuff we don't actually need like wine/beer). If I eat fast food every day at lunch I've dropped at least $30-40.
• Raw Dawgin' it

  

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• ernest_t_bass

  

  Scarlet_Buckeye;1039725 wrote:I think businesses have a corporate social responsibility to look out for the well-being of society.

  Not in a pure free market, they don't.
• Scarlet_Buckeye

  

  thavoice;1039740 wrote:I will say this, i have yo yo'd with my weight over the years. Not something I am proud of.
  
  Mentioned before in years past when people on message boards would talk how they cannot afford to eat healthy.
  
  When I am in good weight loss mode, eating healthy and such, i really start to bank the money. When you start to eat healthy you eat less. Common sense.
  
  FF does seem cheap and such, but if you are smart and go to the market, buy healthier foods and actually eat them in lieu of eating out (uh huh, I said eating out) then you will be far ahead.
  
  What happens is people go to the market, spend money on healthy stuff, let it sit and rot while they still eat on the go, or buy too much and it rots. All it takes is a little planning to really eat healthier, and eat cheaper.

  There's no question (at least in my mind) that healthier foods cost more than "junk food." For instance, I can purchase a Big Mac & fries for roughly $4. If I want to purchase a healthier option like buying the ingredients to make a salad, or carrots, or grilled chicken breasts... I'm almost sure it would cost me more than $4 (i.e., a Big Mac & fries).
• Gblock

  thavoice;1039740 wrote:I will say this, i have yo yo'd with my weight over the years. Not something I am proud of.
  
  Mentioned before in years past when people on message boards would talk how they cannot afford to eat healthy.
  
  When I am in good weight loss mode, eating healthy and such, i really start to bank the money. When you start to eat healthy you eat less. Common sense.
  
  FF does seem cheap and such, but if you are smart and go to the market, buy healthier foods and actually eat them in lieu of eating out (uh huh, I said eating out) then you will be far ahead.
  
  What happens is people go to the market, spend money on healthy stuff, let it sit and rot while they still eat on the go, or buy too much and it rots. All it takes is a little planning to really eat healthier, and eat cheaper.

  good post...absolutely true
• Scarlet_Buckeye

  

  ernest_t_bass;1039758 wrote:Not in a pure free market, they don't.

  I'm not sure you understand what the concept of corporate social responsibility, since you made that comment.
• thavoice

  Scarlet_Buckeye;1039761 wrote:There's no question (at least in my mind) that healthier foods cost more than "junk food." For instance, I can purchase a Big Mac & fries for roughly $4. If I want to purchase a healthier option like buying the ingredients to make a salad, or carrots, or grilled chicken breasts... I'm almost sure it would cost me more than $4 (i.e., a Big Mac & fries).

  
  
  I know for 6 dollars I can buy a pound of turkey, or ham, or sometimes roast beef, and a loaf of bread at the market. Depending on how much meat ya put on ya can make a number of sandwichs with that. Lets say 4 oz of meat. That is 4 sandwiches for 6 bucks.
  
  Can buy chicken breasts at the market and salad lettuce for 6-7 bucks, and that will again make 3-4 salads as a meal.
  
  When going good ya can have a good sandwich, some carrots and/or yogurt, for just 2-3 bucks if ya work at it. I would always keep it fresh by picking the meat that was on sale at the deli so it may be ham for a bit, then turkey, etc.
  
  Sure, a ham sandwich may not be the healthiest food to eat in the world, but when you compare calories to lets say a big mac, it is alot of calories saved. I think 4 oz of the ham or turkey was 70 calories, there is 35 calorie bread so two slices of that is 70. Add in some ketchup and you have 150 calories for about a buck 50 a sandwich. Want more? add in some yogurt, you can get that cheap, some carrots and a bag is only a couple of bucks and you also get a great snack during the day.
  
  
  Also.......when you are eating healthy and in that ode you eat less so that in turn also saves money.
• ernest_t_bass

  

  Scarlet_Buckeye;1039765 wrote:I'm not sure you understand what the concept of corporate social responsibility, since you made that comment.

  I'm not sure you understand the concept of a PURE free market, only driven by self-interest, regulated by competition.
• Scarlet_Buckeye

  

  thavoice;1039773 wrote:I know for 6 dollars I can buy a pound of turkey, or ham, or sometimes roast beef, and a loaf of bread at the market. Depending on how much meat ya put on ya can make a number of sandwichs with that. Lets say 4 oz of meat. That is 4 sandwiches for 6 bucks.
  
  Can buy chicken breasts at the market and salad lettuce for 6-7 bucks, and that will again make 3-4 salads as a meal.
  
  When going good ya can have a good sandwich, some carrots and/or yogurt, for just 2-3 bucks if ya work at it. I would always keep it fresh by picking the meat that was on sale at the deli so it may be ham for a bit, then turkey, etc.
  
  Sure, a ham sandwich may not be the healthiest food to eat in the world, but when you compare calories to lets say a big mac, it is alot of calories saved. I think 4 oz of the ham or turkey was 70 calories, there is 35 calorie bread so two slices of that is 70. Add in some ketchup and you have 150 calories for about a buck 50 a sandwich. Want more? add in some yogurt, you can get that cheap, some carrots and a bag is only a couple of bucks and you also get a great snack during the day.
  
  
  Also.......when you are eating healthy and in that ode you eat less so that in turn also saves money.

  True.
• thavoice

  Also looking at lets say breakfast. They say ya shouldnt skip it and that is a good thing to follow.
  
  Box of cereal for 4 bucks. gallon of milk is like 2.49 i think when I got it the other day. 6.49 for the two. People complain about how much cereal costs but you can get quite a few breakfasts out of that money. Ya could eat breakfast for less than a buck a day.
  If ya go through a McDonalds you are spending 3-4 bucks for something for breakfast, or even a donut and coffee at most places will be 2 or so bucks. Cheaper...and healthier.
• justincredible

  

  Scarlet_Buckeye;1039761 wrote:There's no question (at least in my mind) that healthier foods cost more than "junk food." For instance, I can purchase a Big Mac & fries for roughly $4. If I want to purchase a healthier option like buying the ingredients to make a salad, or carrots, or grilled chicken breasts... I'm almost sure it would cost me more than $4 (i.e., a Big Mac & fries).

  
  
  You're buying the wrong ingredients if you can't make a salad for $4.
  
  You can get a pound of chicken for probably $3-4 and a big tub of the fancy lettuce for $5. Grill the chicken and separate it in fives. You can get more than 5 salads out of the big tub. That's less than $2 per salad (that has grilled chicken on it, not just a plain salad) which leaves plenty of money for dressing and anything else you want to add.
• WebFire

  ernest_t_bass;1039778 wrote:I'm not sure you understand the concept of a PURE free market, only driven by self-interest, regulated by competition.

  Free market doesn't really have much to do with social responsibility. A free market doesn't mean car seat manufactures should make car seats that aren't safe. It means they can, but they shouldn't.
• ernest_t_bass

  

  WebFire;1039794 wrote:Free market doesn't really have much to do with social responsibility. A free market doesn't mean car seat manufactures should make car seats that aren't safe. It means they can, but they shouldn't.

  No, the competition (the regulating force) is what will cause the car company to do so. In a PURE free market (which does not exist anywhere), the only thing that drives producers is their self-interest, which is profit. The only reason they make that safe car seat is b/c there is competition out there doing it. If NO ONE made safe car seats, and no one cared, a producer wouldn't spend more money to do it, just for the hell of it.
• thavoice

  I will be the first to admit that when i start gaining it is because I am just plain being lazy. Lazy on PT, but also very lazy in my food choices.
  
  Instead of thinking ahead and getting up a little earlier to make me a breakfast instead of picking it up on the way, or planning out what i want for lunch and packing it so i don get to work and have to go buy something to eat, and lazy for dinner in not wanting to put that chicken on the grill, or not want to go through the effort to make dinner and just order something or go out to dinner.
  
  It really is laziness that leads to our obesity. When it comes to kids.......that is the laziness of the parents in allowing them to fall into the same traps that adults do.
• Fab1b

  

  $4 for Big Mac and Fries, where? That's like 1995 price LOL!
• justincredible

  

  thavoice;1039803 wrote:I will be the first to admit that when i start gaining it is because I am just plain being lazy. Lazy on PT, but also very lazy in my food choices.
  
  Instead of thinking ahead and getting up a little earlier to make me a breakfast instead of picking it up on the way, or planning out what i want for lunch and packing it so i don get to work and have to go buy something to eat, and lazy for dinner in not wanting to put that chicken on the grill, or not want to go through the effort to make dinner and just order something or go out to dinner.
  
  It really is laziness that leads to our obesity. When it comes to kids.......that is the laziness of the parents in allowing them to fall into the same traps that adults do.

  Laziness is what gets me, too. Luckily my recent bout of laziness only gained me 7 pounds. I've been able to knock that down pretty quickly.
• justincredible

  

  Fab1b;1039809 wrote:$4 for Big Mac and Fries, where? That's like 1995 price LOL!

  This is also a good point. Isn't it closer to $6 now?
• Gblock

  there are also genetic factors for some..i hate to stereotype all fat people as lazy and bad/overeaters. there is a teacher at my school that is about 5foot and 180 or so and looks like a bowling ball. i know for a fact she works out with a trainer 5 days a week and judging by the meals i see her eat at school i think she eats rather well. the trainer is a friend of mine and i asked him how the hell she isnt losing any weight and that she must be eating all night long. he said it is just bad genes...some people he trains never see much in way of results according to him, while others eat horrible and excercise less and see great results
• thavoice

  Gblock;1039815 wrote:there are also genetic factors for some..i hate to stereotype all fat people as lazy and bad/overeaters. there is a teacher at my school that is about 5foot and 180 or so and looks like a bowling ball. i know for a fact she works out with a trainer 5 days a week and judging by the meals i see her eat at school i think she eats rather well. the trainer is a friend of mine and i asked him how the hell she isnt losing any weight and that she must be eating all night long. he said it is just bad genes...some people he trains never see much in way of results according to him, while others eat horrible and excercise less and see great results

  Oh I agree. it does play into it for some people, but no where near the percentage of what are obese.
• Heretic

  

  Best way to handle childhood obesity is to scratch the little bastards with a rusty nail. Lockjaw prevents the eating of solid foods, so they'll lost weight QUICKLY!
• justincredible

  

  Genetics may play a role for some, but the vast majority of obese people are obese by choice.
• thavoice

  Gblock;1039815 wrote:there are also genetic factors for some..i hate to stereotype all fat people as lazy and bad/overeaters. there is a teacher at my school that is about 5foot and 180 or so and looks like a bowling ball. i know for a fact she works out with a trainer 5 days a week and judging by the meals i see her eat at school i think she eats rather well. the trainer is a friend of mine and i asked him how the hell she isnt losing any weight and that she must be eating all night long. he said it is just bad genes...some people he trains never see much in way of results according to him, while others eat horrible and excercise less and see great results

  and she may eat 100% healthy at work around others but sabatoge herself in the privacy of her own home. Been there done that.
  For her it may be 100% genetics, but since I have been there and done that it could also be what I describe.
• power i

  

  You can't blame fast food. Those were around when I was a kid (just not on every corner) and we considered eating at a fast food restuarant a real treat. For too many kids today, it's a way of life. I have four kids and understand very well that time can be an issue. If my kids were eating fast food, it was on the way to practice or a ballgame. But alot of those times that was me being lazy and not taking the half an hour it takes to make something for dinner. But my kids never had a weight issue and trust me if they had, there wouldn't have been ANY fast food.