9/11 or Pearl Harbor?

• DeyDurkie5

  

  isadore, are you mental?
• said_aouita

  

  Wildcat24;1035198 wrote:You serious Clark?
  
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaska_Purchase
  
  I vote Pearl Harbor, by the way.

  Didn't the Germans bomb Pearl Harbor?
• Ironman92

  

  I think we are forgetting December 13th 1962.
• isadore

  DeyDurkie5;1035245 wrote:isadore, are you mental?

  more mental than physical.
• jmog

  Thinthickbigred;1034830 wrote:I can think of a few other dates that were horrible in American history
  1793- Fugitive slave act
  1861 American civil war
  1945 Hiroshima bomb kills 80,000 instantanly
  1948 Israel created

  Civil war definitely horrible in our past, but they were talking about a specific date or event.
  The two different Fugitive Slave Acts were horrible, but when you consider the context of the time vs now you can't say it is worse than the others.
  
  Your other two are just plain stupid.
  
  Hiroshima bomb was very bad for Japan, but after the land battle we saw at Okinawa it was a necessary sign of power to prevent a land battle over the whole country of Japan. It has been estimated that it saved over 1 million lives that would have been lost on both sides (USA and Japan) that would have been lost in a land battle.
  
  Israel being created just shows your ignorance to history.
• Ironman92

  

  No one biting on my date eh?
• jmog

  Thinthickbigred;1034870 wrote:To most Americans . It was not a military target and who knows what would be today if it did not happen then . Maybe it would have happened later . I just dont think celebrating the instant death of civilians is good . Did we like it when those Arabs were handing out candy in different parts of the mideast when 911 occured . Humans are sick and it does not matter the nationality . the human race will destroy itself sooner or later

  http://www.damninteresting.com/ww2-america-warned-hiroshima-and-nagasaki-citizens/
  
  We can't get more clear as to our intentions and warned the citizens of those cities to get out.
  
  We told Japan and its citizens that whole cities would be destroyed 5 FULL DAYS before we destroyed Hiroshima, and 9 days before Nagasaki.
  
  Next time you compare Hiroshima to 9/11 at LEAST have a clue to what you are talking about first.
• jmog

  isadore;1035089 wrote:People on here saw and were effected by 9/11, I dont think we appreicate the effect of Pearl Harbor.

  I agree with this, but even sitting back and thinking objectively, Pearl Harbor was an attack on a military base and while some civilians were killed, it was mostly military casualties.
  
  9/11 was a direct attack on a civiilian building. That makes it much harder to swallow "morally".
• jmog

  isadore;1035134 wrote:That is what I love about this site, you can get a lot of folks speaking longingly for the good old days of slavery. Of course it should not be too big a surprise given the Caucasian tilt of the population. But even here that is a little much. The only places you could get more of that attitude is with a bunch of neo confederates or a Ron Paul caucus, Oh, that’s pretty much the same thing.
  Slavery was alive and well in 1860, the wealthiest states were those of the deep South with their fortunes based on the Peculiar Institution. They were planning on expanding in Cuba and Central America. It was nowhere near dying of natural causes.
  Well at least you are right about the Bomb.

  isadore being well, isadore...not actually reading what was typed.
  
  Nowhere did believer "speak longingly" about the days of slavery. You also have not read much of the political views of the southern leaders at the time, such as General Lee, if you believe that the south would have continued slavery into even today.
  
  Now, I will say this, the south was 100% morally wrong for having slavery, no doubt about that. However, the north was also wrong for trying to control the south through the federal government.
• se-alum

  

  dwccrew;1034818 wrote:9/11. Pearl Harbor was a targeted attack against American military targets. 9/11 was an attack against civilians.

  This.
• I Wear Pants

  9/11 - Pearl Harbor while abhorrent led to the nation coming together to defeat tyranny. 9/11 has led to a decade of us bickering and pulling ourselves apart.
• Ironman92

  

  Ironman92;1035594 wrote:No one biting on my date eh?

  
  Ok....it is the date Rex Ryan was born.
  
  wrongcrowdfail
• isadore

  jmog;1035630 wrote:isadore being well, isadore...not actually reading what was typed.
  
  Nowhere did believer "speak longingly" about the days of slavery. You also have not read much of the political views of the southern leaders at the time, such as General Lee, if you believe that the south would have continued slavery into even today.
  
  Now, I will say this, the south was 100% morally wrong for having slavery, no doubt about that. However, the north was also wrong for trying to control the south through the federal government.

  Yes actually I have read quite a bit about the political views of southern leaders. I know the Confederate government was dominated completely by large slaveholders. That they charged out of the Union and then wrote a Constitution to protect slavery. \That that dominant political clique was committed to the continuing existence of chattel slavery. Those slaves had made the South the richest section of the country and was extremely profitable for them to the extent they were looking for new lands to seize to extend their wealth. That all doing the 1850s the government had been dominated by Southern slaveholders and their allies including President Pierce and Buchanan and the Supreme Court. They had the Kansas-Nebraska Act and the Dred Scot decisions that opened new lands for them, They had a strengthened fugitive slave act that required northern local authorities to aid in slave apprehension. Even when Lincoln won the election of 1860 he was quite willing to agree to protect slavery in the south. Although you jmog may provide excuses for the slaveholders, and set up a false moral equivalency, None exists
• jmog

  isadore;1035694 wrote:Yes actually I have read quite a bit about the political views of southern leaders. I know the Confederate government was dominated completely by large slaveholders. That they charged out of the Union and then wrote a Constitution to protect slavery. \That that dominant political clique was committed to the continuing existence of chattel slavery. Those slaves had made the South the richest section of the country and was extremely profitable for them to the extent they were looking for new lands to seize to extend their wealth. That all doing the 1850s the government had been dominated by Southern slaveholders and their allies including President Pierce and Buchanan and the Supreme Court. They had the Kansas-Nebraska Act and the Dred Scot decisions that opened new lands for them, They had a strengthened fugitive slave act that required northern local authorities to aid in slave apprehension. Even when Lincoln won the election of 1860 he was quite willing to agree to protect slavery in the south. Although you jmog may provide excuses for the slaveholders, and set up a false moral equivalency, None exists

  Please show me where I provided an excuse for a slave holder or set up a false moral equivalency...if you can not provide such a quote from me, then you owe me an apology and you need to stop being a complete jackass.
• isadore

  jmog;1035626 wrote:I agree with this, but even sitting back and thinking objectively, Pearl Harbor was an attack on a military base and while some civilians were killed, it was mostly military casualties.
  
  9/11 was a direct attack on a civiilian building. That makes it much harder to swallow "morally".

  what makes something worse.
  1. Greater number of deaths on 9/11 but Pearl Harbor, a larger percentage of the US population because it was only half as large in 1941 as it was in 2001
  2. Mainly civilian deaths on 9/11. (I wish more Americans would remember the lives lost at the Pentagon)
  3. While on 9/11 there were sucessful attacks on New York and Washington at Pearl Harbor we lost a large part of our Pacific Fleet and the Japanese were attacking all over the all over the east Asia and the Pacific.
• isadore

  jmog;1035716 wrote:Please show me where I provided an excuse for a slave holder or set up a false moral equivalency...if you can not provide such a quote from me, then you owe me an apology and you need to stop being a complete jackass.

  jmog wrote:However, the north was also wrong for trying to control the south through the federal government.

  That is an unjustified attempt to establish moral equivalency. And since I try to big about these things, you don’t even have to apologize for calling me a jackass
• I Wear Pants

  isadore;1035731 wrote:That is an unjustified attempt to establish moral equivalency. And since I try to big about these things, you don’t even have to apologize for calling me a jackass

  So because slavery is an obvious wrong and the Union was anti-slavery someone cannot note wrongs of the Union without it being an attempt to establish moral equivalency? Is this your logic here?
• Sonofanump

  Thinthickbigred;1034830 wrote:I can think of a few other dates that were horrible in American history
  
  1861 American civil war

  Epic, you out did yourself here.
• isadore

  I Wear Pants;1035738 wrote:So because slavery is an obvious wrong and the Union was anti-slavery someone cannot note wrongs of the Union without it being an attempt to establish moral equivalency? Is this your logic here?

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  jmog wrote:Now, I will say this, the south was 100% morally wrong for having slavery, no doubt about that. However, the north was also wrong for trying to control the south through the federal government.

  
  </DIR>However, However, However, that is an attempt to establish moral equivalency
  
• Zombaypirate

  The correct answer is neither of those dates.
  
  It is by far and away......Tuesday, January 20, 2009.
• 4cards

  

  Zombaypirate;1035811 wrote:The correct answer is neither of those dates.
  
  It is by far and away......Tuesday, January 20, 2009.

  ... Popeye's opened in Youngstown?
• isadore

  The day the man who will fill the next vacancy on Mount Rushmore became our President
• Dr.Pizza

  

  Inside Job
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• rmolin73

  

  4cards;1035832 wrote:... Popeye's opened in Youngstown?

  I don't care what anyone says that was f'in funny reps.
• I Wear Pants

  isadore;1035767 wrote:<dir>
  </dir>However, However, However, that is an attempt to establish moral equivalency
  

  He said however only once in the post I read.
  
  But even saying it thrice I don't think it was an attempt to establish equivalency. It was just noting something that he saw as wrong. Had he said "the north was just as wrong" or "the north was as wrong as"...
  
  Of course you'll argue this to death because you don't understand that people use words in *gasp* different ways then you may have perceived them.