Gass Oil well boom,are you ready?

• dwccrew

  

  j_crazy;1011894 wrote:I'm supposedly the enemy of these "fracking is bad" nuts but I love the environment. Likely do more hiking/ swimming/hunting/fishing than any of them.

  Hunting and fishing? You hate nature and the little animals!
• ZWICK 4 PREZ

  

  I Wear Pants;1010709 wrote:I call bullshit on the magical job fairy.
  
  And I look forward to all the methane in my water.

  I know everyone in your area fawns over whatever Deluca says in the morning, but one of these days you'll realize he's a gigantic dumbass.
• GoChiefs

  

  ZWICK 4 PREZ;1012004 wrote:I know everyone in your area fawns over whatever Deluca says in the morning, but one of these days you'll realize he's a gigantic dumbass.

  
  But fracking is evil and it's going to destroy the area!
• Fred Flintstone

  j_crazy;1011828 wrote:@ IWP. My bad, thought it was. Was just trying to help. Don't worry about fracking its safer than people would have you believe. I'm sure Ohio has an oil and gas commission overseeing everything. Their website would be a great resource. They police the whole process.

  Ask and you shall receive.
  http://ohiodnr.com/mineral/commission/tabid/17867/default.aspx
• j_crazy

  

  From Fred's link I got to this page:
  
  http://fracfocus.org/
  
  Found this article:
  
  http://fracfocus.org/water-protection/casing-process
  
  That's what IWP needs to read. He will understand it much better then. If he is still uneasy, I get it but at least he will understand.
  
  I'm not trying to convince anyone that my opinion is right. It's opinion. But know the facts before making your own opinion.
• Glory Days

  

  
• Big_Mirg_ZHS

  

  OSH;1011553 wrote:If that was insulting...you really need to relax. If that was insulting, I'd hate to be around you if there was actually an insult directed toward you.
  
  There was absolutely nothing to it. I have no idea who anyone is on this site, how am I supposed to know what anyone has or doesn't have?

  If i was having a conversation with you face to face would you then ask me well if you really do have that land. You can think that it was just insulting for you to type it out. Its not like i said i run the 40 in 4.3
• OSH

  

  Big_Mirg_ZHS;1012146 wrote:If i was having a conversation with you face to face would you then ask me well if you really do have that land. You can think that it was just insulting for you to type it out. Its not like i said i run the 40 in 4.3

  Yeah, I probably would ask you the same question.
  
  I don't know what people actually have when they mention things...unless I know them personally and then there's always something that you don't know about someone.
  
  You aren't THAT old (mid 20s), so it's not a big deal if someone asks a mid-20s aged person if they actually own 90 acres of land. People in that age category don't typically own 90 acres of land. Do they? If they do, then I need to think about how I've spent my money and where I can buy land at.
• j_crazy

  

  Big_Mirg_ZHS;1012146 wrote:If i was having a conversation with you face to face would you then ask me well if you really do have that land. You can think that it was just insulting for you to type it out. Its not like i said i run the 40 in 4.3

  
  Mirg. Don't get your hopes up with these number everyone else is throwing out. It's still early and meigs county is west and south of the sweet spot that I'm hearing about. If you want to wait the numbers could go up but they could go down. Id listen to several offers and you'll get an idea of what you got. The numbers I threw out were what I thought you could get right now. Not having any idea what the land is.
• Big_Mirg_ZHS

  

  OSH;1012165 wrote:Yeah, I probably would ask you the same question.
  
  I don't know what people actually have when they mention things...unless I know them personally and then there's always something that you don't know about someone.
  
  You aren't THAT old (mid 20s), so it's not a big deal if someone asks a mid-20s aged person if they actually own 90 acres of land. People in that age category don't typically own 90 acres of land. Do they? If they do, then I need to think about how I've spent my money and where I can buy land at.

  Inherited it. Owned between me and my two brothers. So i only own 30 of it i guess. LOL I guess i did get a little overreactable to that. But hey, i see where your coming from. The land has been in my family since the NW territory.
• fan_from_texas

  I've followed the fracking debate for awhile (and have actually published a treatise on the legal issues surrounding it). Perhaps a bigger concern than groundwater contamination is potential seismic disturbances from the process (see, e.g., the recent English earthquakes).
  
  Fracking isn't new, and companies are being better about what they use as fracking fluid. There are some environmental concerns, but that's true of every form of energy technology, so it's a question of trade-offs.
• OSH

  

  Big_Mirg_ZHS;1012173 wrote:Inherited it. Owned between me and my two brothers. So i only own 30 of it i guess. LOL I guess i did get a little overreactable to that. But hey, i see where your coming from. The land has been in my family since the NW territory.

  It's all good. Owning land is great, so congrats to you for having some. I'd like to get there one of these days.
  
  My family operates over 1,000 acres, which I've hunted, farmed, and been all over for many years. But it's not mine. One of these days when I grow up...
• I Wear Pants

  ZWICK 4 PREZ;1012004 wrote:I know everyone in your area fawns over whatever Deluca says in the morning, but one of these days you'll realize he's a gigantic dumbass.

  Deluca was talking about water quality? He should stick to fart jokes and dying.
• I Wear Pants

  j_crazy;1012047 wrote:From Fred's link I got to this page:
  
  http://fracfocus.org/
  
  Found this article:
  
  http://fracfocus.org/water-protection/casing-process
  
  That's what IWP needs to read. He will understand it much better then. If he is still uneasy, I get it but at least he will understand.
  
  I'm not trying to convince anyone that my opinion is right. It's opinion. But know the facts before making your own opinion.

  These are all useful, thanks. Thanks to Fred also. Both get reps.
  
  Why would only 78% of states require a cement set-up period or test? Seems like something every one of the wells should have unless I'm not understanding what they mean.
• QuakerOats

  gut;1010853 wrote:Was going to post the same thing.
  
  But there are real concerns over fracking contaminating ground water. That I haven't researched and my inclination is the EPA is again being it's typical politicized bull**** but in this case it's not without merit. The tech may not be quite ready for prime time, but that doesn't mean blanket and wholesale blocking of it by the EPA.

  Most of the concerns are completely unfounded; fracking has been in use for about 50 years - over 1.2 million wells fracked - without one, single, solitary well having any direct, verfiable connection to any pollution - not one. Unfortunately, the environmental extremists are doing their best to paint a different picture. What's more, despite media reports saying that the water injected for fracking is "chemical-laced" the actual amount of "chemicals" involved is now 1 tenth of 1 percent, thus the reader is once again likely misinformed by the environmental sympathizers.
  
  The bottom line is, this will be a boom of massive proportions. The Northeast is going to actually be a net domestic exporter of natural gas despite being the largest user as well ---- a paradigm shift in energy sourcing. Our shale gas production is already nearing 25% of total production, Henry Hub prices are at 8 year lows, and that has a tremendous flow through effect on all the large industrial manufacturing users who rely on natural gas to power their production.
  
  Many experts are referring to Ohio as the next Saudi Arabia, and the wealth creation is just beginning. Farmers are turning into millionaires over night and re-investing those funds back into new farm equipment and buildings, further providing the spin-off and multiplier effects throughout the economy.
  
  We need to embrace this exceptional new (and safe) technology and ride the wave. But, we have to stand up to the marxists parading as radical environmentalists who wish to shut down our capitalist economy. We either move toward complete energy independence and job creation, or we move toward greater economic instability due to a lack of energy development.
• I Wear Pants

  QuakerOats;1012490 wrote:Most of the concerns are completely unfounded; fracking has been in use for about 50 years - over 1.2 million wells fracked - without one, single, solitary well having any direct, verfiable connection to any pollution - not one. Unfortunately, the environmental extremists are doing their best to paint a different picture. What's more, despite media reports saying that the water injected for fracking is "chemical-laced" the actual amount of "chemicals" involved is now 1 tenth of 1 percent, thus the reader is once again likely misinformed by the environmental sympathizers.
  
  The bottom line is, this will be a boom of massive proportions. The Northeast is going to actually be a net domestic exporter of natural gas despite being the largest user as well ---- a paradigm shift in energy sourcing. Our shale gas production is already nearing 25% of total production, Henry Hub prices are at 8 year lows, and that has a tremendous flow through effect on all the large industrial manufacturing users who rely on natural gas to power their production.
  
  Many experts are referring to Ohio as the next Saudi Arabia, and the wealth creation is just beginning. Farmers are turning into millionaires over night and re-investing those funds back into new farm equipment and buildings, further providing the spin-off and multiplier effects throughout the economy.
  
  We need to embrace this exceptional new (and safe) technology and ride the wave. But, we have to stand up to the marxists parading as radical environmentalists who wish to shut down our capitalist economy. We either move toward complete energy independence and job creation, or we move toward greater economic instability due to a lack of energy development.

  Untrue.
• j_crazy

  

  I Wear Pants;1012462 wrote:These are all useful, thanks. Thanks to Fred also. Both get reps.
  
  Why would only 78% of states require a cement set-up period or test? Seems like something every one of the wells should have unless I'm not understanding what they mean.

  Not sure why any state wouldn't require a CBL. I've never worked in a state that didn't. Ohio does. so you're safe (ohio also requires cement to surface and some states don't another barrier).
  
  I found this paper on that site too. I'm reading it now will report later:
  
  http://www.strongerinc.org/documents/Final%20Report%20of%202011%20OH%20HF%
• j_crazy

  

  first few things that jump out at me:
  

  strongerinc.org paper wrote: [LEFT]An in-depth review of the Ohio hydraulic fracturing regulatory program has been completed by amulti-stakeholder review team. The review team has concluded that the Ohio program is, over[/LEFT]all, well-managed, professional and meeting its program objectives.
  
  [LEFT]Hydraulic fracturing began in Ohio in the 1950s. Most wells drilled and completed today arecompleted by hydraulic fracturing operations. Most of these wells are vertical wells. Althoughan estimated 80,000 wells have been fractured in Ohio, state agencies have not identified a single[/LEFT]instance where groundwater has been contaminated by hydraulic fracturing operations.

  
  
  and as i was typing this i got an email about a well that supposedly contaminated ground water in Wyoming that said the EPA's monitor well was at one time a hydrocarbon producing well and the results of their monitoring program have become null.
  
• I Wear Pants

  Again thanks for all the links and asplainin' things to those of us (me) that don't really know anything about this beyond what they read.
• GoChiefs

  

  I Wear Pants;1012454 wrote:Deluca was talking about water quality? He should stick to fart jokes and dying.

  He's on this whole anti-fracking kick. Here some links from his Facebook page.
  
  http://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/272474/drilling-doublespeak-by-ewg.pdf
  
  http://www.riverreporter.com/issues/08-04-10/head1-drilling.html
  
  http://www.cantonrep.com/carousel/x1719673466/EPA-says-fracking-may-have-polluted-groundwater
  
  http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/12/08/9302971-epa-fracking-likely-polluted-towns-water
  
  I kinda chuckle when he goes on a big rant on his show about fracking and they cut to commercial and it's something from Chesapeake Energy because they've been a sponsor to the radio station.
• I Wear Pants

  Not defending Deluca because he's a moron. But it's really not ridiculous to be wary or at least questioning of fracking since there are a bunch of stories and studies showing water contamination.
  
  j_crazy and some others have posted some links to show that a lot of those worries aren't necessarily rational or maybe don't apply all the time. But if you see that in some of the Wyoming areas there has been water contamination with this process it's only natural to be kind of cautious towards the whole thing.
  
  But again not all those fears are justified. What I'm saying is that if when someone brings up skepticism related to water contamination or something like that it's better and more effective to say "well here's why that isn't really a problem...." like j_crazy has instead of just calling the person a stupid hippy.
  
  Tl;DR: Deluca is retarded.
• sleeper

  

  I Wear Pants;1012597 wrote:Not defending Deluca because he's a moron. But it's really not ridiculous to be wary or at least questioning of fracking since there are a bunch of stories and studies showing water contamination.
  
  j_crazy and some others have posted some links to show that a lot of those worries aren't necessarily rational or maybe don't apply all the time. But if you see that in some of the Wyoming areas there has been water contamination with this process it's only natural to be kind of cautious towards the whole thing.
  
  But again not all those fears are justified. What I'm saying is that if when someone brings up skepticism related to water contamination or something like that it's better and more effective to say "well here's why that isn't really a problem...." like j_crazy has instead of just calling the person a stupid hippy.
  
  Tl;DR: Deluca is retarded.

  There's a lot of studies that show driving pollutes the air. Let me ask you IWP, do you drive? Have you ever ridden in a car?
  
  If you answer yes to any of these questions you are a hypocrite. Enjoy!
• I Wear Pants

  You didn't even read that did you? And your logic is incorrect anyway. We can all come to lots of conclusions using faulty logic if we want. You're clearly a master at that.
  
  And I don't think you know what the word hypocrite means.
• dwccrew

  

  I Wear Pants;1012699 wrote:You didn't even read that did you? And your logic is incorrect anyway. We can all come to lots of conclusions using faulty logic if we want. You're clearly a master at that.
  
  And I don't think you know what the word hypocrite means.

  He has a degree from THE Ohio State University and graduated Summa Cum Laude.
• I Wear Pants

  Don't forget the billions of dollars. The more money one has the more intelligent they are.