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  • LJ
    Glory Days;816328 wrote:ORC 4513.60 establishes rules for TOWING and establishing a private tow away zone. nothing stating that towing is the ONLY thing that can be done. nothing stating a private company cannot immobilize a vehicle on private property.



    to me, that shows that signs can vary, aslong as they have the 3 thing stated in the law.

    Like I said, it tells you what you CAN do. I know from experience that you cannot boot.

    This is going nowhere. Just keep enforcing laws the way you want in NE Ohio, and I will keep living the way I do with laws enforced the way they are in the rest of Ohio.

    BTW, do you work in one of the counties that has been sued for improperly enforcing gun laws?
  • Glory Days
    LJ;816338 wrote:Like I said, it tells you what you CAN do. I know from experience that you cannot boot.

    This is going nowhere. Just keep enforcing laws the way you want in NE Ohio, and I will keep living the way I do with laws enforced the way they are in the rest of Ohio.

    BTW, do you work in one of the counties that has been sued for improperly enforcing gun laws?
    what is your personal experience?

    Cuyahoga. dont know, what happend?
  • LJ
    Glory Days;816352 wrote:what is your personal experience?
    We got multiple lawyer's opinions as well as a county prosecutor because we wanted to start booting and we were told we can only tow.
    Cuyahoga. dont know, what happend?

    "Buckeye Firearms Foundation, Inc., an Ohio not-for profit foundation, filed a lawsuit today in the Common Pleas Court of Cuyahoga County, Ohio seeking a temporary restraining order and permanent injunction to stop the City of Cleveland from prosecuting law-abiding gun owners under local ordinances that restrict gun ownership and concealed carry (CCW). The lawsuit also asks the Court to declare 20 different local ordinances unconstitutional on the grounds of state preemption of firearm laws."

    No wonder you say you would be arrested for what I was saying I would do. Things are enforced differently up there.
  • Glory Days
    LJ;816355 wrote:We got multiple lawyer's opinions as well as a county prosecutor because we wanted to start booting and we were told we can only tow.



    "Buckeye Firearms Foundation, Inc., an Ohio not-for profit foundation, filed a lawsuit today in the Common Pleas Court of Cuyahoga County, Ohio seeking a temporary restraining order and permanent injunction to stop the City of Cleveland from prosecuting law-abiding gun owners under local ordinances that restrict gun ownership and concealed carry (CCW). The lawsuit also asks the Court to declare 20 different local ordinances unconstitutional on the grounds of state preemption of firearm laws."

    No wonder you say you would be arrested for what I was saying I would do. Things are enforced differently up there.

    Ok, so if you booted a car, what would you be charged with?

    Haha and I don't know the prosecutor you talked to, but i was once told by one I can enter someone's house without their permission just for a simple noise complaint...let's just say I won't be taking his advice.

    Do you have a link so I can read more? Plus, what you did would have been the same if it were a gun, 3inch blade or a baseball bat.
  • LJ
    Glory Days;816360 wrote:Ok, so if you booted a car, what would you be charged with?
    We were told that you COULD be charged with theft, but that it would just be a hassle where we would have to deal with the police constantly and possibly deal with lawsuits. [/quote]
    Do you have a link so I can read more?
    http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/node/6528
    http://buckeyefirearms.net/node/6721
    and Cleveland lost
    http://www.biggamehunt.net/news/judge-orders-cleveland-stop-enforcing-local-gun-laws




    Plus, what you did would have been the same if it were a gun, 3inch blade or a baseball bat.

    No, it wouldn't. Not in the sane areas of the state. The ones that train their officers to properly enforce gun laws.
  • Glory Days
    LJ;816364 wrote:We were told that you COULD be charged with theft, but that it would just be a hassle where we would have to deal with the police constantly and possibly deal with lawsuits.


    http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/node/6528
    http://buckeyefirearms.net/node/6721
    and Cleveland lost
    http://www.biggamehunt.net/news/judge-orders-cleveland-stop-enforcing-local-gun-laws







    No, it wouldn't. Not in the sane areas of the state. The ones that train their officers to properly enforce gun laws.

    With the right signage, i wouldnt think theft would be an issue if they were notified their car could be towed (in accordance with 4513.60) or booted.

    gun law or not, you cant use a weapon to intimidate someone in a situation where you arent in danger for your safety.
    if you shoot someone with a gun, its got nothing to do with gun laws.

    and i have only lived/worked in cleveland for the past year. i read through the articles, but i am not too familar with how things were.
  • LJ
    You just keep going in circles. I'm done. I'll be sure to stay out of Cleveland.
  • Glory Days
    LJ;816389 wrote:You just keep going in circles. I'm done. I'll be sure to stay out of Cleveland.

    gone in circles? you're the one going off a people's opinions that it "could" be against the law.
  • LJ
    Glory Days;816412 wrote:gone in circles? you're the one going off a people's opinions that it "could" be against the law.

    A county prosecutor is just "someone's opinion"? Wow....
  • Glory Days
    LJ;816417 wrote:A county prosecutor is just "someone's opinion"? Wow....

    yup. prosecutors arent always right as i pointed out. their opinions vary from city to city and state to state.
  • dwccrew
    Glory Days;816412 wrote:gone in circles? you're the one going off a people's opinions that it "could" be against the law.
    Glory Days;816434 wrote:yup. prosecutors arent always right as i pointed out. their opinions vary from city to city and state to state.

    What about the multiple lawyers LJ says he consulted? I have also consulted an attorney on the matter and that particular attorney agreed with what LJ was told. They can't hold your car hostage, they have no authority.

    I'll take several lawyers and a prosecutor's opinion over just yours. They are able to interpret and define law, you are just there to enforce law (which is why often charges are dropped, because the law enforcement officer didn't know what the hell the law meant or how it is applied).
  • Glory Days
    dwccrew;816686 wrote:What about the multiple lawyers LJ says he onsulted? I have also consulted an attorney on the matter and that particular attorney agreed with what LJ was told. They can't hold your car hostage, they have no authority.

    I'll take several lawyers and a prosecutor's opinion over just yours. They are able to interpret and define law, you are just there to enforce law (which is why often charges are dropped, because the law enforcement officer didn't know what the hell the law meant or how it is applied).

    And as I pointed out, multiple lawyers and judges in ga,nv, and nc have upheld private booting and theft is pretty much the same anywhere.

    If prosecutors were always right, why were they enforcing illegal gun laws?
  • dwccrew
    Glory Days;816901 wrote:And as I pointed out, multiple lawyers and judges in ga,nv, and nc have upheld private booting and theft is pretty much the same anywhere.

    If prosecutors were always right, why were they enforcing illegal gun laws?

    But we are not in GA, NV or NC, so the laws there have nothing to do with this situation and the laws here in Ohio. Not sure why you bring up other states' laws. That would be like talking about how Colorado and California allow medicinal marijuana and then comparing those laws with those of Ohio; it isn't relevant.

    And I don't quite get your last question. An illegal gun law? How can a law be illegal? Was it a law that was specifically on the books or were they enforcing an ordinance that conflicted with state gun laws?
  • I Wear Pants
    Ashland University booted one of my friend's cars while I was there. Should I have thrown a fit (real question)?
  • Pick6
    I Wear Pants;817068 wrote:Ashland University booted one of my friend's cars while I was there. Should I have thrown a fit (real question)?

    this situation had nothing to do with the University. If the car was on University property without a proper parking pass, than you are at fault.
  • LJ
    I Wear Pants;817068 wrote:Ashland University booted one of my friend's cars while I was there. Should I have thrown a fit (real question)?

    I mean I would need to know more. A visiting friend? Outstanding tickets for a student? Ashland U have a real police force?