Reconciliation...it's coming
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BCSbunk
I don't care about Footwedges claim. I care and asked about your claim which obviously you cannot back up as factual. You are blowing smoke and making it up. You have not a clue as too what is the number one reason people are fired.queencitybuckeye wrote:
The burden of proof is on the original claim. If you care to prove footwedge's position, be my guest.BCSbunk wrote:
Please prove that statement.queencitybuckeye wrote:
Not really. Overwhelmingly, the number one reason someone gets fired is because they suck at their job.Footwedge wrote: There is definitely some truth to what you say, but in many, many instances, the "flotsam and jetsam" has more to do with politics than performances. It's not always what you know...but many times, who you blow.
What does they suck at their job even mean?
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pinstriper
Just because you got shit-canned doesn't mean others are in the same boat, sorry. You have no clue what my position is, what my territory looks like, the amount of work i do every month in order to see my physicains, the amount of time I've spent over the last decade in order to foster the relationships I have with my offices.Footwedge wrote:
"do see all my targets on a monthly basis"...pinstriper wrote:
Thanks for the advice, but you're off base in my case. I've been in this industry for a long time now, have seen the cuts, and survived them all. I'm insulated because of my rural territory - basically nobody wants to work it, so I take advatnage of that. I have other options on the table, but to leave now would be foolish. I actually have access throughout my territory, do see all 200 targets on a monthly basis, and have found them to be strongly against this medical overhaul (from Pediatricians and Internal Med all the way to ENT's and Urologists). I am based in the south, my territory may be different than the majority of the country and maybe that has something to do with it, but they are educated practitioners just like everyone else out there.Footwedge wrote:
Just a word of advice to you here. Get out of pharmaceutical sales as fast as you can. You are probably young enough to resurrect your career and better utilize your talents.pinstriper wrote: I work in the medical sales field and come in contact with over 200 Physicians in my territory. 2 of them are in favor of this monstrosity, the other 198 or so are against it. The 2 that are for this, it should be noted, run a "free clinic" that was funded by one of thier trust funds once her father passed 4 years ago.
That industry has been slashed by 30% sales force wise over the past 2 years. I know first hand how painful this contraction has been. Country wide, the pharma industry has cot over 25.000 sales jobs.
And finally, if you have 200 docs in your territory, you/ve probably only spoken to maybe 40 or 50 of them over the past year on anything...let alone Obamacare. We all know what the "no see" ratio has become in that industry. The only exception..... your percentage would be higher if you call on pediatrics, which has a higher open office policy.
Sorry Pinstriper, there is no effin way. Whereby physicians in southern, rural territories are slower to react in closing their doors completely to sales reps, the fact is you are lucky to see even half of your docs....throughout an entire year.
Maybe you want to more accurately reflect the anti Obamacare physicians by stating that "of the doctors I actually speak with, 99% are against Obamacare".
But let me remind you...the AMA is pro health care reform, albeit anti Obamacare.
On another note, I could care less what the AMA says they are for or against. I was only addressing the concern from what I see every day in the field, and trying to add some real world first hand experience to the topic being discussed. Sorry if it doesn't fit into your scewed view of what goes on out there. -
Footwedge
Don't be so touchy there Zig Zigler. I'm sure you are quite the "detail man".pinstriper wrote: Just because you got shit-canned doesn't mean others are in the same boat, sorry. You have no clue what my position is, what my territory looks like, the amount of work i do every month in order to see my physicains, the amount of time I've spent over the last decade in order to foster the relationships I have with my offices.
On another note, I could care less what the AMA says they are for or against. I was only addressing the concern from what I see every day in the field, and trying to add some real world first hand experience to the topic being discussed. Sorry if it doesn't fit into your scewed view of what goes on out there.
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So you don't care what the AMA has to say, eh? Um OK. Now go send in your "success stories". LMAO.
Here ya go Ziggy...I'm sure all your docs value your "unbiased bullshit"...been there, done that.
"About one in four physicians works in a practice that refuses to see drug reps. Of doctors who do see reps, about 40% will meet with detailers only with scheduled appointments. The by-appointment-only figure jumped 23% during the last six months of 2008, according to a survey of more than 227,000 medical practices representing 640,000 physicians that was released in February."
Read the link....you're not as important as you think you are. Trust me. and if you've been "around for a long time". then your days are numbered.
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FootwedgeAnd for anyone else out there that's interested.....from a pharma blog site...the "real world" of pharma "sales" people. Response #4 is all you really need to know.
Great entertainment value....
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pinstriper
Whoever said they were important? I do my job, do it well, and haven't been fired - like you obviously have been. All I did was try to add some real world experience to the discussion and your bitterness towards an industry that chewed you up and spit you out is just shining through. If you were smart with your money, I'm sure you are doing just fine now....just as I will when my time comes, if it does. We all know the industry has changed drastically over the last 3 years, but that's no reason to just quit and go find something else. I've adapted, I'm no longer a true sales rep., more of a customer service liason so-to-speak, and I'm fine with that. I still make great money, get great perks, and am able to take care of my family and my future. I moved halfway across the country for this job a long time ago, and am reaping the rewards now for the sacrifice I've put in. I don't need to explain anything to you - you're just bitter, I can see that. I actually feel sorry for you, good luck in whatever you're doing now.Footwedge wrote:
Don't be so touchy there Zig Zigler. I'm sure you are quite the "detail man".pinstriper wrote: Just because you got shit-canned doesn't mean others are in the same boat, sorry. You have no clue what my position is, what my territory looks like, the amount of work i do every month in order to see my physicains, the amount of time I've spent over the last decade in order to foster the relationships I have with my offices.
On another note, I could care less what the AMA says they are for or against. I was only addressing the concern from what I see every day in the field, and trying to add some real world first hand experience to the topic being discussed. Sorry if it doesn't fit into your scewed view of what goes on out there..
So you don't care what the AMA has to say, eh? Um OK. Now go send in your "success stories". LMAO.
Here ya go Ziggy...I'm sure all your docs value your "unbiased bullshit"...been there, done that.
"About one in four physicians works in a practice that refuses to see drug reps. Of doctors who do see reps, about 40% will meet with detailers only with scheduled appointments. The by-appointment-only figure jumped 23% during the last six months of 2008, according to a survey of more than 227,000 medical practices representing 640,000 physicians that was released in February."
Read the link....you're not as important as you think you are. Trust me. and if you've been "around for a long time". then your days are numbered.
http://www.ama-assn.org/amednews/2009/03/23/prl10323.htm -
Footwedge
I am not bitter...nor was I fired. Just as I don't know your situation, neither do you know mine.pinstriper wrote: Whoever said they were important? I do my job, do it well, and haven't been fired - like you obviously have been. All I did was try to add some real world experience to the discussion and your bitterness towards an industry that chewed you up and spit you out is just shining through. If you were smart with your money, I'm sure you are doing just fine now....just as I will when my time comes, if it does. We all know the industry has changed drastically over the last 3 years, but that's no reason to just quit and go find something else. I've adapted, I'm no longer a true sales rep., more of a customer service liason so-to-speak, and I'm fine with that. I still make great money, get great perks, and am able to take care of my family and my future. I moved halfway across the country for this job a long time ago, and am reaping the rewards now for the sacrifice I've put in. I don't need to explain anything to you - you're just bitter, I can see that. I actually feel sorry for you, good luck in whatever you're doing now.
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pinstriper
Well thanks for the advice, but I'm not a newbie at this though, and don't have my head in the sand. Anyone in this industry should have at least $20,000 sitting aside for emergency fund, just as I do. I've established myself in my territory, which is extremely different i'm sure than most, but if my time comes then I'm ready for it. Until then, I'm going to continue to reap the rewards for the sacrifice I've put in.Footwedge wrote:
I am not bitter...nor was I fired. Just as I don't know your situation, neither do you know mine.pinstriper wrote:
Whoever said they were important? I do my job, do it well, and haven't been fired - like you obviously have been. All I did was try to add some real world experience to the discussion and your bitterness towards an industry that chewed you up and spit you out is just shining through. If you were smart with your money, I'm sure you are doing just fine now....just as I will when my time comes, if it does. We all know the industry has changed drastically over the last 3 years, but that's no reason to just quit and go find something else. I've adapted, I'm no longer a true sales rep., more of a customer service liason so-to-speak, and I'm fine with that. I still make great money, get great perks, and am able to take care of my family and my future. I moved halfway across the country for this job a long time ago, and am reaping the rewards now for the sacrifice I've put in. I don't need to explain anything to you - you're just bitter, I can see that. I actually feel sorry for you, good luck in whatever you're doing now.
I offered you some friendly advice on what you should consider career wise...and you chose to attack me. And when you did, I responded in kind.
By the way, I never attacked you, just tried to inform you on my territory as to lend credibility to my assessment of my Doctor's opinions on this health care bill. At which time you decided to start pulling stuff off CafePharma...c'mon...lol. Again, good luck in whatevr you do now. -
Footwedge
Review the thread. I offered you my opinion on being in pharma sales. And then you went on attack mode. When you did, I responded in kind.pinstriper wrote:
Well thanks for the advice, but I'm not a newbie at this though, and don't have my head in the sand. Anyone in this industry should have at least $20,000 sitting aside for emergency fund, just as I do. I've established myself in my territory, which is extremely different i'm sure than most, but if my time comes then I'm ready for it. Until then, I'm going to continue to reap the rewards for the sacrifice I've put in.Footwedge wrote:
I am not bitter...nor was I fired. Just as I don't know your situation, neither do you know mine.pinstriper wrote:
Whoever said they were important? I do my job, do it well, and haven't been fired - like you obviously have been. All I did was try to add some real world experience to the discussion and your bitterness towards an industry that chewed you up and spit you out is just shining through. If you were smart with your money, I'm sure you are doing just fine now....just as I will when my time comes, if it does. We all know the industry has changed drastically over the last 3 years, but that's no reason to just quit and go find something else. I've adapted, I'm no longer a true sales rep., more of a customer service liason so-to-speak, and I'm fine with that. I still make great money, get great perks, and am able to take care of my family and my future. I moved halfway across the country for this job a long time ago, and am reaping the rewards now for the sacrifice I've put in. I don't need to explain anything to you - you're just bitter, I can see that. I actually feel sorry for you, good luck in whatever you're doing now.
I offered you some friendly advice on what you should consider career wise...and you chose to attack me. And when you did, I responded in kind.
By the way, I never attacked you, just tried to inform you on my territory as to lend credibility to my assessment of my Doctor's opinions on this health care bill. At which time you decided to start pulling stuff off CafePharma...c'mon...lol. Again, good luck in whatevr you do now.
As for my links...one was the factual realities of pharmaceutical sales...which debunked your claim that you spoke with "all of your docs".
The second link is a reference to a blog site pretty much reserved for pharma sales reps.
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pinstriper
I can only tell you what I experience on a daily basis, and you can chose to believe it or not. Obviously from other threads posted you have a hard time believing much that anyone says...that's a you problem, not a me problem. Good luck again.
Review the thread. I offered you my opinion on being in pharma sales. And then you went on attack mode. When you did, I responded in kind.
As for my links...one was the factual realities of pharmaceutical sales...which debunked your claim that you spoke with "all of your docs".
The second link is a reference to a blog site pretty much reserved for pharma sales reps.
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queencitybuckeye
Yes, you were. It's obvious from the way you practically spit the word "corporation" exactly like the rest of the washouts I've run across in the business world. You couldn't get it done, and got canned.Footwedge wrote:
I am not bitter...nor was I fired. -
LJ
So, I got OCD and fixed the quoting formatting issues...
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Footwedge
Too funny. Tell me more. Look up the term contract sales and get back to me.queencitybuckeye wrote:
Yes, you were. It's obvious from the way you practically spit the word "corporation" exactly like the rest of the washouts I've run across in the business world. You couldn't get it done, and got canned.Footwedge wrote:
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QuakerOatshttp://www.speaker.gov/newsroom/pressreleases?id=1576
“But we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it,"
Astounding (again).
The entire speech is so full of lies it is almost unbelievable that she could bring herself to utter the entire thing.
Change we can believe in ...................... -
jhay78
That is unreal- that pretty much sums up how these clowns have been approaching this thing.
I'm getting sick of her using words like "courage" and "urgency", as if they're voting on the original Bill of Rights or something. -
CenterBHSFan
As somebody who used to code/bill for doctors, I would insightfully think (read THINK) that enough doctors would prefer dealing with government healthcare for one main reason.
Doctors offices get less hassle coding their patients through the government than the typical non-government insurance company. At least, that has been MY experience about 12 years ago, that may not be true for everybody. I specifically remember my first days on the job: The woman training me into the office said "you'll find that medicaid is much easier to bill than ________ and _________. They pretty much accept anything you code."
That proved to be true most of the time, not all the time - but most of the time.
Trust me, coding/billing is alot more of a headache than you can imagine, unless you've done it yourself. I remember COUNTLESS times having to be very creative in coding in order for the insurance companies to accept. This is a major hindrance to doctors/hospitals and such. -
fish82
QuakerOats wrote: http://www.speaker.gov/newsroom/pressreleases?id=1576
“But we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it,"
Astounding (again).
The entire speech is so full of lies it is almost unbelievable that she could bring herself to utter the entire thing.
Change we can believe in ......................
Pure gold.
November can't farking get here fast enough. -
IggyPride00
According to the White House (as Gibbs said on Foxnews Sunday), we are only a week away from Obamacare being the law of the land. I suspect that means they have bought off enough votes for Queen Nancy to pass this in the house."We'll have the votes when the House votes, I think, within the next week," Gibbs said on "Fox News Sunday." "Whoever sits here at this time next week, I think will not be talking about health care as a proposal, but as the law of the land."
I can't wait to see what the fallout is going to be as I could easily see Glenn Beck blowing a gasket now that the government will have successfully staged a takeover of 1/6th of the American economy.
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Belly35
Picked up another .45 1000 rounds on Saturday -
bigmanbtI heard somewhere that some 30+ state governments have started legislation to nullify Obamacare if it does indeed pass. Hopefully we are going to see a battle between the state's and the federal government here, and let's hope the state's win out in the court.
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dwccrew
ok?Belly35 wrote: Picked up another .45 1000 rounds on Saturday -
ptown_trojans_1
Why? Obama is just going to stop by tomorrow and take it from you. :rolleyes:Belly35 wrote: Picked up another .45 1000 rounds on Saturday -
ptown_trojans_1
Where? That is an interesting stat if true.bigmanbt wrote: I heard somewhere that some 30+ state governments have started legislation to nullify Obamacare if it does indeed pass. Hopefully we are going to see a battle between the state's and the federal government here, and let's hope the state's win out in the court. -
tk421
http://www.ncsl.org/default.aspx?tabid=18906ptown_trojans_1 wrote:
Where? That is an interesting stat if true.bigmanbt wrote: I heard somewhere that some 30+ state governments have started legislation to nullify Obamacare if it does indeed pass. Hopefully we are going to see a battle between the state's and the federal government here, and let's hope the state's win out in the court.
Obama's health care bill is going to end up a big dud. The insurance companies "say" that they can't lower costs unless everyone has insurance because then only the sick would have insurance, but the mandate requiring Americans to buy coverage is not going to stick. It's about time the states take back some power from the federal government. -
ptown_trojans_1
Very interesting, can't say I disagree with many states. I like the idea of putting aspects to the ballot.tk421 wrote:
http://www.ncsl.org/default.aspx?tabid=18906ptown_trojans_1 wrote:
Where? That is an interesting stat if true.bigmanbt wrote: I heard somewhere that some 30+ state governments have started legislation to nullify Obamacare if it does indeed pass. Hopefully we are going to see a battle between the state's and the federal government here, and let's hope the state's win out in the court.
Obama's health care bill is going to end up a big dud. The insurance companies "say" that they can't lower costs unless everyone has insurance because then only the sick would have insurance, but the mandate requiring Americans to buy coverage is not going to stick. It's about time the states take back some power from the federal government. -
bigmanbtI actually remember hearing it last Monday at the Ron Paul rally in Columbus. There was an Ohio State Congressman who is proposing Ohio's version of the nullification. His name slips my memory right now. But that link refers to what I was talking about.