Reconciliation...it's coming

• QuakerOats

  Just received this --- quite accurate:
  
  "The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the presidency. It will be easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to an electorate willing to have such a man for their president. The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Obama, who is a mere symptom of what ails us. Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince. The republic can survive a Barack Obama. It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools such as those who made him their president.”
• ptown_trojans_1

  

  QuakerOats wrote: Just received this --- quite accurate:
  
  "The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the presidency. It will be easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to an electorate willing to have such a man for their president. The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Obama, who is a mere symptom of what ails us. Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince. The republic can survive a Barack Obama. It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools such as those who made him their president.”

  Hmm, that sounds like something the left would have trotted out four years ago: See below:
  "The danger to America is not George W. Bush but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the presidency. It will be easier to limit and undo the follies of a Bush presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to an electorate willing to have such a man for their president. The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Bush, who is a mere symptom of what ails us. Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince. The republic can survive a George W. Bush. It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools such as those who made him their president.”
  
  I heard stuff like this from the looney left for eight years. More evidence that the right is basically the left.
• cbus4life

  A Confederacy of Dunces is a freaking awesome book, btw.
  
  And, to translate Quaker's post...anyone who disagrees with me and has a different opinion than me is a fool and a danger to the United States.
• tk421

  

  cbus4life wrote: A Confederacy of Dunces is a freaking awesome book, btw.
  
  And, to translate Quaker's post...anyone who disagrees with me and has a different opinion than me is a fool and a danger to the United States.

  Isn't that the stance of both sides in the U.S? Which is a major problem, nothing ever gets done.
• cbus4life

  Yep, i would completely agree that it is the attitude of those on both sides of aisle.
  
  Just like calling out Quaker because he actually thinks he is somehow "above" those on the left side of the aisle.
  
  Yet, he engages in the same amount of fear-mongering, insults, pointless rhetoric and talking points, that he so ridicules the left and claims have put us in this situation to begin with.
• QuakerOats

  Wrong. I hardly think I am "above" anyone. My posts are to point out that the power on the left wants to change the country into a socialist-type country ---- that is change for the worse. The right is attempting to merely cling to some of the good of our foundation that brought us to the point of being the greatest experiment on the planet, and the last beacon of hope for freedom and liberty. Sorry you were a bit confused.
  
  Best.
• BCSbunk

  QuakerOats wrote: Wrong. I hardly think I am "above" anyone. My posts are to point out that the power on the left wants to change the country into a socialist-type country ---- that is change for the worse. The right is attempting to merely cling to some of the good of our foundation that brought us to the point of being the greatest experiment on the planet, and the last beacon of hope for freedom and liberty. Sorry you were a bit confused.
  
  Best.

  What is the left and what is the right? Please spare me the freedom and liberty spiel.
  
  Please tell me how do you know who is "right" and who is "left" what exactly does that even mean?
  
  I know what authoritarian means and I understand libertarian which is the antonym politically of authoritarian.
  
  IF you mean the Republicans (I am not sure) they are authoritarians and do not offer freedom or liberty as evidenced by supporting warrantless wiretapping as one example.
  
  Now Libertarians do support small government and are anti-authoritarian however they are NOT Republicans and not even close or in the same ballpark.
  
  So what do you mean by "right" and "left"? Please provide an ontology of what makes someone "right" or "left".
  
  I would think if there is a "right" and a "left" then there must be a center? Seems like a false dichotomy that you keep presenting as some sort of truth.
• QuakerOats

  BCSbunk wrote:
  
  What is the left and what is the right? Please spare me the freedom and liberty spiel.
  
  Please tell me how do you know who is "right" and who is "left" what exactly does that even mean?
  
  I know what authoritarian means and I understand libertarian which is the antonym politically of authoritarian.
  
  IF you mean the Republicans (I am not sure) they are authoritarians and do not offer freedom or liberty as evidenced by supporting warrantless wiretapping as one example.
  
  Now Libertarians do support small government and are anti-authoritarian however they are NOT Republicans and not even close or in the same ballpark.
  
  So what do you mean by "right" and "left"? Please provide an ontology of what makes someone "right" or "left".
  
  I would think if there is a "right" and a "left" then there must be a center? Seems like a false dichotomy that you keep presenting as some sort of truth.

  Typical liberal gobblygook.
  
  And yes, there is a center, generally occupied by those who come down on both sides of the fence so often that their balls are sore (if they have any).
• ptown_trojans_1

  

  QuakerOats wrote:

  BCSbunk wrote:
  
  What is the left and what is the right? Please spare me the freedom and liberty spiel.
  
  Please tell me how do you know who is "right" and who is "left" what exactly does that even mean?
  
  I know what authoritarian means and I understand libertarian which is the antonym politically of authoritarian.
  
  IF you mean the Republicans (I am not sure) they are authoritarians and do not offer freedom or liberty as evidenced by supporting warrantless wiretapping as one example.
  
  Now Libertarians do support small government and are anti-authoritarian however they are NOT Republicans and not even close or in the same ballpark.
  
  So what do you mean by "right" and "left"? Please provide an ontology of what makes someone "right" or "left".
  
  I would think if there is a "right" and a "left" then there must be a center? Seems like a false dichotomy that you keep presenting as some sort of truth.

  Typical liberal gobblygook.
  
  And yes, there is a center, generally occupied by those who come down on both sides of the fence so often that their balls are sore (if they have any).

  lol. Yes, cause everything is black and white. :rolleyes:
• QuakerOats

  ptown_trojans_1 wrote:
  
  lol. Yes, cause everything is black and white. :rolleyes:

  Except in D.C., where playing both sides and being a two-faced hypocrite in order to retain power is the accepted norm.
• ptown_trojans_1

  

  QuakerOats wrote:

  ptown_trojans_1 wrote:
  
  lol. Yes, cause everything is black and white. :rolleyes:

  Except in D.C., where playing both sides and being a two-faced hypocrite in order to retain power is the accepted norm.

  lol. True on that, both the left and the right are complete idiots and power hungry baboons.
  
  Left=Right and it is really disgusting.
• QuakerOats

  ptown_trojans_1 wrote:
  
  Left=Right and it is really disgusting.

  maybe; but conservative does not equal liberal.
  
  
• ptown_trojans_1

  

  QuakerOats wrote:

  ptown_trojans_1 wrote:
  
  Left=Right and it is really disgusting.

  maybe; but conservative does not equal liberal.
  
  

  In terms of tactics, language and sheer craziness, yes they are equal.
  
  You flip the names around and I swear most of your posts would be the same stuff that liberals were saying about W a few years ago.
  
  Conservatives are doing the same stuff liberals were doing a few years ago.
  
  Left=Right.
  
  That is why both sides disgust me and I can't stand either.
• bigmanbt

  Please try to refrain from labeling republicans as conservatives. Many of them may claim to be, but they aren't.
• Footwedge

  pinstriper wrote: I work in the medical sales field and come in contact with over 200 Physicians in my territory. 2 of them are in favor of this monstrosity, the other 198 or so are against it. The 2 that are for this, it should be noted, run a "free clinic" that was funded by one of thier trust funds once her father passed 4 years ago.

  Just a word of advice to you here. Get out of pharmaceutical sales as fast as you can. You are probably young enough to resurrect your career and better utilize your talents.
  
  That industry has been slashed by 30% sales force wise over the past 2 years. I know first hand how painful this contraction has been. Country wide, the pharma industry has cot over 25.000 sales jobs.
  
  And finally, if you have 200 docs in your territory, you/ve probably only spoken to maybe 40 or 50 of them over the past year on anything...let alone Obamacare. We all know what the "no see" ratio has become in that industry. The only exception..... your percentage would be higher if you call on pediatrics, which has a higher open office policy.
• Gobuckeyes1

  QuakerOats wrote:

  BCSbunk wrote:
  
  What is the left and what is the right? Please spare me the freedom and liberty spiel.
  
  Please tell me how do you know who is "right" and who is "left" what exactly does that even mean?
  
  I know what authoritarian means and I understand libertarian which is the antonym politically of authoritarian.
  
  IF you mean the Republicans (I am not sure) they are authoritarians and do not offer freedom or liberty as evidenced by supporting warrantless wiretapping as one example.
  
  Now Libertarians do support small government and are anti-authoritarian however they are NOT Republicans and not even close or in the same ballpark.
  
  So what do you mean by "right" and "left"? Please provide an ontology of what makes someone "right" or "left".
  
  I would think if there is a "right" and a "left" then there must be a center? Seems like a false dichotomy that you keep presenting as some sort of truth.

  Typical liberal gobblygook.
  
  And yes, there is a center, generally occupied by those who come down on both sides of the fence so often that their balls are sore (if they have any).

  So Quaker...can you answer the man's question? Or are you just going to dismiss and dance around it like a politician would?
• pinstriper

  Footwedge wrote:

  pinstriper wrote: I work in the medical sales field and come in contact with over 200 Physicians in my territory. 2 of them are in favor of this monstrosity, the other 198 or so are against it. The 2 that are for this, it should be noted, run a "free clinic" that was funded by one of thier trust funds once her father passed 4 years ago.

  Just a word of advice to you here. Get out of pharmaceutical sales as fast as you can. You are probably young enough to resurrect your career and better utilize your talents.
  
  That industry has been slashed by 30% sales force wise over the past 2 years. I know first hand how painful this contraction has been. Country wide, the pharma industry has cot over 25.000 sales jobs.
  
  And finally, if you have 200 docs in your territory, you/ve probably only spoken to maybe 40 or 50 of them over the past year on anything...let alone Obamacare. We all know what the "no see" ratio has become in that industry. The only exception..... your percentage would be higher if you call on pediatrics, which has a higher open office policy.

  Thanks for the advice, but you're off base in my case. I've been in this industry for a long time now, have seen the cuts, and survived them all. I'm insulated because of my rural territory - basically nobody wants to work it, so I take advatnage of that. I have other options on the table, but to leave now would be foolish. I actually have access throughout my territory, do see all 200 targets on a monthly basis, and have found them to be strongly against this medical overhaul (from Pediatricians and Internal Med all the way to ENT's and Urologists). I am based in the south, my territory may be different than the majority of the country and maybe that has something to do with it, but they are educated practitioners just like everyone else out there.
• queencitybuckeye

  Footwedge wrote: Just a word of advice to you here. Get out of pharmaceutical sales as fast as you can. You are probably young enough to resurrect your career and better utilize your talents.
  
  That industry has been slashed by 30% sales force wise over the past 2 years.

  One good thing about the bad economy is that it separates the men from the boys in terms of getting rid of the flotsam and jetsam in an industry, and leaving the achievers. The real estate field is a particularly good example.
• BCSbunk

  QuakerOats wrote:

  BCSbunk wrote:
  
  What is the left and what is the right? Please spare me the freedom and liberty spiel.
  
  Please tell me how do you know who is "right" and who is "left" what exactly does that even mean?
  
  I know what authoritarian means and I understand libertarian which is the antonym politically of authoritarian.
  
  IF you mean the Republicans (I am not sure) they are authoritarians and do not offer freedom or liberty as evidenced by supporting warrantless wiretapping as one example.
  
  Now Libertarians do support small government and are anti-authoritarian however they are NOT Republicans and not even close or in the same ballpark.
  
  So what do you mean by "right" and "left"? Please provide an ontology of what makes someone "right" or "left".
  
  I would think if there is a "right" and a "left" then there must be a center? Seems like a false dichotomy that you keep presenting as some sort of truth.

  Typical liberal gobblygook.
  
  And yes, there is a center, generally occupied by those who come down on both sides of the fence so often that their balls are sore (if they have any).

  Left , right liberal conservative?????? What do those mean?
  
  So you are telling me Left is a liberal and right is a conservative is that what you are implying?
  
  Well then I ask again what is a liberal and how do we know one? What is a conservative and how do we know one?
  
  You are guilty of presenting a false dichotomy and that is not liberal goobldy gook whatever that even means.
  
  So then please give an ontology of liberal and conservative in a political context. You are throwing terms around with no real meaning attached.
• Footwedge

  pinstriper wrote:

  Footwedge wrote:

  pinstriper wrote: I work in the medical sales field and come in contact with over 200 Physicians in my territory. 2 of them are in favor of this monstrosity, the other 198 or so are against it. The 2 that are for this, it should be noted, run a "free clinic" that was funded by one of thier trust funds once her father passed 4 years ago.

  Just a word of advice to you here. Get out of pharmaceutical sales as fast as you can. You are probably young enough to resurrect your career and better utilize your talents.
  
  That industry has been slashed by 30% sales force wise over the past 2 years. I know first hand how painful this contraction has been. Country wide, the pharma industry has cot over 25.000 sales jobs.
  
  And finally, if you have 200 docs in your territory, you/ve probably only spoken to maybe 40 or 50 of them over the past year on anything...let alone Obamacare. We all know what the "no see" ratio has become in that industry. The only exception..... your percentage would be higher if you call on pediatrics, which has a higher open office policy.

  Thanks for the advice, but you're off base in my case. I've been in this industry for a long time now, have seen the cuts, and survived them all. I'm insulated because of my rural territory - basically nobody wants to work it, so I take advatnage of that. I have other options on the table, but to leave now would be foolish. I actually have access throughout my territory, do see all 200 targets on a monthly basis, and have found them to be strongly against this medical overhaul (from Pediatricians and Internal Med all the way to ENT's and Urologists). I am based in the south, my territory may be different than the majority of the country and maybe that has something to do with it, but they are educated practitioners just like everyone else out there.

  "do see all my targets on a monthly basis"...
  
  Sorry Pinstriper, there is no effin way. Whereby physicians in southern, rural territories are slower to react in closing their doors completely to sales reps, the fact is you are lucky to see even half of your docs....throughout an entire year.
  
  Maybe you want to more accurately reflect the anti Obamacare physicians by stating that "of the doctors I actually speak with, 99% are against Obamacare".
  
  But let me remind you...the AMA is pro health care reform, albeit anti Obamacare.
• Footwedge

  queencitybuckeye wrote:

  Footwedge wrote: Just a word of advice to you here. Get out of pharmaceutical sales as fast as you can. You are probably young enough to resurrect your career and better utilize your talents.
  
  That industry has been slashed by 30% sales force wise over the past 2 years.

  One good thing about the bad economy is that it separates the men from the boys in terms of getting rid of the flotsam and jetsam in an industry, and leaving the achievers. The real estate field is a particularly good example.

  There is definitely some truth to what you say, but in many, many instances, the "flotsam and jetsam" has more to do with politics than performances. It's not always what you know...but many times, who you blow.
  
  And....if you are over the age of 45, it doesn't matter how good you are, how much you know, how productive you are, you will NOT be hired in private sector, corporate America. It will never happen.
• queencitybuckeye

  Footwedge wrote: There is definitely some truth to what you say, but in many, many instances, the "flotsam and jetsam" has more to do with politics than performances. It's not always what you know...but many times, who you blow.
  

  Not really. Overwhelmingly, the number one reason someone gets fired is because they suck at their job.
• BCSbunk

  queencitybuckeye wrote:

  Footwedge wrote: There is definitely some truth to what you say, but in many, many instances, the "flotsam and jetsam" has more to do with politics than performances. It's not always what you know...but many times, who you blow.
  

  Not really. Overwhelmingly, the number one reason someone gets fired is because they suck at their job.

  Please prove that statement.
• queencitybuckeye

  BCSbunk wrote:

  queencitybuckeye wrote:

  Footwedge wrote: There is definitely some truth to what you say, but in many, many instances, the "flotsam and jetsam" has more to do with politics than performances. It's not always what you know...but many times, who you blow.
  

  Not really. Overwhelmingly, the number one reason someone gets fired is because they suck at their job.

  Please prove that statement.

  The burden of proof is on the original claim. If you care to prove footwedge's position, be my guest.
• queencitybuckeye

  BTW, don't lie, how long has it been since you were fired?