Impressed by Trump administration

• QuakerOats

  ptown_trojans_1;1872465 wrote:John Bolton can GTFO. Idiot has zero fucking credibility.

  
  In your little beltway world I guess.
• majorspark

  

  ptown_trojans_1;1872465 wrote:You can't preach countries should put their people first, respect sovereignty, and stay out of each other's business and then turn and scream at North Korea and Iran and say we need to work together.

  Actually yes you can. Mainly in the context of peaceful economic trade deals on one hand and proliferation of nukes on the other hand. I am pretty sure that lobbing missiles over a historical world power that was pacified by her mistake during the WWII (the only nation on earth to experience these weapons) era who depends heavily on US military defence and representation at the UN might not be a bad thing to reinforce support.
  

  ptown_trojans_1;1872465 wrote:Also, it was rambling and just odd in spots. But, he didn't fuck up too bad, so it's a win I guess?

  I listened to the whole speech. The only part I found really odd was the beginning humping of the stock market. I only listened once so maybe I missed something. What other odd spots did you find?
• QuakerOats

  NFIB Survey: US Small Businesses Expanding At Strongest Pace Since 2006.
  
  USA Today (9/26, Davidson) reports that American entrepreneurs “are moving ahead with investment and expansion plans that could juice economic growth.” 32% of small businesses “are planning capital outlays in the next three to six months, the strongest reading since 2006,” according to the survey,
  
  
  
  
  
  Will dovetail nicely with the coming tax rate reductions. Always good to get BIG government off your ass.
• ppaw1999

  https://www.yahoo.com/news/jared-kushner-woman-according-voter-145019284.html
  
  I can honestly say I have seen things during this presidency that I have never seen before.:rolleyes:
• gut

  ppaw1999;1873736 wrote:https://www.yahoo.com/news/jared-kushner-woman-according-voter-145019284.html
  
  I can honestly say I have seen things during this presidency that I have never seen before.:rolleyes:

  "[FONT=&quot]If Kushner can't fill out a simple form..."
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  Yes, I'm sure that's the case and not simply another example of a DMV employee fucking up at their job.[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
  
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• O-Trap

  

  gut;1873744 wrote:"[FONT=&amp]If Kushner can't fill out a simple form..."
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  Yes, I'm sure that's the case and not simply another example of a DMV employee fucking up at their job.[/FONT]

  This is certainly possible. I once had my blue truck listed as red one year at the DMV. I was stopped no fewer than 12 times that year just because the actual color of my vehicle didn't match.
  
  However, this IS the second time one of Kushner's forms is incorrect.
• CenterBHSFan

  

  I fully expect Kuschner to come out for transgender rights at any moment. Nothing less from zhir will do!
• ppaw1999

  gut;1873744 wrote:"[FONT=&amp]If Kushner can't fill out a simple form..."
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  I am not trying to blame Kushner for this error. I just find it funny that the media digs up something so trivial as this. I can understand bringing up his private server usage. That has been done before. But bringing up his voter registration snafu and tying it to his private server I just don't get it.
• gut

  ppaw1999;1873761 wrote:But bringing up his voter registration snafu and tying it to his private server I just don't get it.

  Yes, it's comical. The leftwing media is, and has been since election night, completely unhinged. I don't think they can meltdown any further, but that theory will be mightily tested if nothing comes of Trump collusion with Russia.
  
  The mainstream left "leaning" media sites have looked like the worst of the fringe right-wing during the Obama years. About the only thing Trump has done to make me smile is expose that the other mainstream media are just as bad as people think Faux News is.
• iclfan2

  

  Can't he choose whatever gender he wants? Is the left assuming his gender at that time? I thought gender was fluid? What a dumb fucking concept regressives
  
  
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• QuakerOats

  Q2 GDP 3.1%
• Dr Winston O'Boogie

  

  My state of Alabama will be sending a right wing religious fanatic to the Senate at the end of next year. Oh yes, there is an election still. But people here vote like the herd, so there will be no debate or contest. He carries a gun, rides a horse, hates gays, wants religious monuments in public buildings and believes 9/11 was God's punishment for our shaky morals. Welcome to Trump's America.
  
  Quaker, I'm sure you'll like such a representative of The People.
• Heretic

  

  Dr Winston O'Boogie;1873882 wrote:My state of Alabama will be sending a right wing religious fanatic to the Senate at the end of next year. Oh yes, there is an election still. But people here vote like the herd, so there will be no debate or contest. He carries a gun, rides a horse, hates gays, wants religious monuments in public buildings and believes 9/11 was God's punishment for our shaky morals. Welcome to Trump's America.
  
  Quaker, I'm sure you'll like such a representative of The People.

  Hey, Trump was campaigning for the other guy in the primary. I mean, he's deleted his tweets endorsing him because apparently backing a loser BURNS HIS SOUL, but he did endorse him around bitching at the NFL and bragging about how many people were there to watch him babble!
• O-Trap

  

  Dr Winston O'Boogie;1873882 wrote:My state of Alabama will be sending a right wing religious fanatic to the Senate at the end of next year. Oh yes, there is an election still. But people here vote like the herd, so there will be no debate or contest. He carries a gun, rides a horse, hates gays, wants religious monuments in public buildings and believes 9/11 was God's punishment for our shaky morals. Welcome to Trump's America.
  
  Quaker, I'm sure you'll like such a representative of The People.

  Shoot, I don't mind him riding a horse or carrying a gun. But then ...
  
  Wanting religious monuments in public buildings makes me think he doesn't understand the whole separation of church/mosque/temple/etc and state thing.
  
  Hating gays makes him an asshole.
  
  And asserting that 9/11 was God's punishment ... that pretty much makes him a wackadoo.
• CenterBHSFan

  

  O-Trap;1873906 wrote:And asserting that 9/11 was God's punishment ... that pretty much makes him a wackadoo.

  Pretty much the far right's version of Jeremiah Wright.
• O-Trap

  

  CenterBHSFan;1873919 wrote:Pretty much the far right's version of Jeremiah Wright.

  In regard to the whole theodicy thing, yeah. I'm fairly thankful Wright never ran for (or won) political office at the federal level.
  
  Unfortunately, that sounds like what we might see with Moore.
• isadore

  gosh a ruddies, President has taken a major step toward cleaning out the swamp by firing his cabinet.
• gut

  Dr Winston O'Boogie;1873882 wrote:Welcome to Trump's America.

  Trump really doesn't have anything to do with "Trump's America". The Left certainly has it's share of nutjobs and wackadoos in Congress, different strokes for different folks. The main difference between the two parties is those nutjobs pretty much run the Democratic Party, while the Republican Party is still run by moderate, establishment types.
  
  I may disagree with Obama's policies/agenda, socialist leanings, but he's not a libtard. Pelosi, Reid, Feinstein, Warren, DWS, Sanders, possibly Schumer, even Hillary at her core (despite the front she attempted to present) are mostly all libtards....and that's literally a who's-who of the Democratic Party (I'd suggest it isn't and really never has been Obama's party).
  
  To me, the intolerance and the faux family values, the religious kookism....that's the Republitard contigent but the establishment gives it only lip service in the platform. The libtardism trends more toward economics, fisc, and SJW...and it's front and center on the platform, which has always been scarier and more alarming to me. Ted Cruz is scary (and fake) and Trump is a baffoon (and not really a Republican), but those are the only two clown idiots with any real influence in the Repub party.
• BoatShoes

  gut;1874089 wrote:Trump really doesn't have anything to do with "Trump's America". The Left certainly has it's share of nutjobs and wackadoos in Congress, different strokes for different folks. The main difference between the two parties is those nutjobs pretty much run the Democratic Party, while the Republican Party is still run by moderate, establishment types.
  
  I may disagree with Obama's policies/agenda, socialist leanings, but he's not a libtard. Pelosi, Reid, Feinstein, Warren, DWS, Sanders, possibly Schumer, even Hillary at her core (despite the front she attempted to present) are mostly all libtards....and that's literally a who's-who of the Democratic Party (I'd suggest it isn't and really never has been Obama's party).
  
  To me, the intolerance and the faux family values, the religious kookism....that's the Republitard contigent but the establishment gives it only lip service in the platform. The libtardism trends more toward economics, fisc, and SJW...and it's front and center on the platform, which has always been scarier and more alarming to me. Ted Cruz is scary (and fake) and Trump is a baffoon (and not really a Republican), but those are the only two clown idiots with any real influence in the Repub party.

  I find it fascinating that my perception is that it is almost precisely the opposite.
  
  I think we would both agree that there is a sort of Washington Establishment Consensus that attempts to gain influence in both major parties. My perception is that this Establishment has more of a real foothold in the Democratic Party than in the Republican party but that it is still strong in both. IOW, the right-wing kooks have slightly more real power than left-wing kooks and the Establishment still has most of the power in both.
  
  I think the real power of right-wing conservatism is overblown in the Republican party but that it has more power than the left-wing liberalism really has in the democratic party. For example, Eric Cantor is more conservative than Steny Hoyer is progressive but I don't see power brokers like Steny Hoyer getting primaried in the Democratic Party like they do in the Republican Party. And, when they do they lose more often in the Democratic Party than in the Republican Party.
  
  To go through the list of individuals you provided, if Medicare for All is to be considered the litmus test for Bernie Sanders/Elizabeth Warren style left-wing liberalism in America (Mind you, it is probably moderate to conservative in even Canada), Reid, Pelosi, Feinstein, Shumer and DWS all have opposed it. Elizabeth Warren is hardcore on financial regulations but she was a Republican up until the 90's. Feinstein is hardcore lib on guns but can't really be considered hardcore lib on other issues. Reid was more like McConnell - really it was all about doing what ever you can for the blue tribe to beat the red tribe - more pure tribalist than ideological lib.
  
  I will grant you Pelosi as full-on San Francisco lib but still to this day is not for Single-Payer for example.
  
  And again - the Republican party nominated Donald Trump. The Democratic Party rejected Bernie Sanders. Donald Trump is not a traditional conservative but he is definitely a kook. I think Rep. Thomas Massie, a libertarian-style republican basically summed up my thoughts on what the conservative base was about until they elected trump:
  

  Massie: Well, I'm still hopeful, okay? There are moments when populism lines up with libertarianism. But let me tell you about a realization that I came to when I was in Iowa campaigning for Senator Rand Paul to be president.
  
  
  You see in 2012, his dad did very well in Iowa, got like a quarter of the vote and a quarter of the vote in New Hampshire, and did very well in Nevada. I ran in 2012 on the same sort of libertarian ideas. Senator Rand Paul had blown a hole through the establishment Republican Party in Kentucky in 2010 on libertarian/republican ideas, and so I thought the libertarian ideology within the Republican party was really catching on, that it was popular. But then when I went to Iowa I saw that the same people that had voted for Ron Paul weren't voting for Rand Paul, they were voting for Donald Trump. And the same thing happened in Kentucky, the people who were my voters ended up voting for Donald Trump in the primary. And so I was in a funk because how could these people let us down? How could they go from being libertarian ideologues to voting for Donald Trump? And then I realized what it was: They weren't voting for the libertarian in the race, they were voting for the craziest son of a bitch in the race when they voted for me and Rand and Ron earlier. So Trump just won, you know, that category, but dumped the ideological baggage. […]

  http://reason.com/blog/2017/03/29/rep-thomas-massie-we-dont-really-have-21
  
  
  With that being said, in reality, it seems to me that the Washington Establishment Consensus still has a pretty good foothold in both parties. On the dem-side they shutout Bernie Sanders people for the most part in the post-mortem and on the GOP-side the Establishment shutdown Obamacare repeal.
  
  If the Establishment wasn't really in control then Obamcare would've been repealed but the GOP Establishment never wanted to repeal it just like I don't believe the Dem establishment really wants single-payer - both are just raw meat for the bases of each tribe.
  
  So, I don't really think the kooks are ultimately in control of either party. My guess is that your own views on economics and fiscal policy which are much to the right of the Washington Establishment Consensus (like mine are much to "the left") leads you to conclude that Democrat leadership is full of kooks, etc.
• O-Trap

  

  BoatShoes;1874293 wrote:With that being said, in reality, it seems to me that the Washington Establishment Consensus still has a pretty good foothold in both parties. On the dem-side they shutout Bernie Sanders people for the most part in the post-mortem and on the GOP-side the Establishment shutdown Obamacare repeal.
  
  If the Establishment wasn't really in control then Obamcare would've been repealed but the GOP Establishment never wanted to repeal it just like I don't believe the Dem establishment really wants single-payer - both are just raw meat for the bases of each tribe.
  
  So, I don't really think the kooks are ultimately in control of either party. My guess is that your own views on economics and fiscal policy which are much to the right of the Washington Establishment Consensus (like mine are much to "the left") leads you to conclude that Democrat leadership is full of kooks, etc.

  I generally agree with this. I think we've seen it play out quite clearly over the last ten years or so, in which we've twice seen a major party hold both the executive branch and both houses of the legislature and get far less done than one would imagine if one believed that they actually intended to get things done.
• Dr Winston O'Boogie

  

  Steel imports are way up for 2017. How about all of that promised protection?
• isadore

  not until Trump gets the cheap steel he needs to build a new casino/resort.
• QuakerOats

  WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. factory activity surged to a
  more than 13-year high in September amid strong gains in new orders and raw material prices, pointing to underlying strength in the economy even as Hurricanes Harvey and Irma are expected to dent growth in the third quarter.
  The economic outlook was also bolstered by other data on Monday showing a rebound in construction spending in August. The acceleration in manufacturing activity and the accompanying increase in prices could harden expectations that the Federal Reserve will raise interest rates in December.
  The Institute for Supply Management (ISM) said its index of national factory activity surged to a reading of 60.8 last month, the highest reading since May 2004, from 58.8 in August.
  
  
  
  
  
  Change we can [really] believe in ...
• gut

  BoatShoes;1874293 wrote:My guess is that your own views on economics and fiscal policy which are much to the right of the Washington Establishment Consensus (like mine are much to "the left") leads you to conclude that Democrat leadership is full of kooks, etc.

  My EDUCATION in economics and EXPERIENCE in business would lead me to conclude the Democrats are led by kooks....or anyone could just listen to all the crazy sound bites out there for Pelosi, Reid, Feinstein, Warren, DWS, Sanders and agree. Socialism plus identity politics is really not a good fit, for ANY govt.
  
  You are completely nuts if you can't see the Dem party is led by kooks and has moved much further left than the Republican party has to the right.
  
  It's only when people think the Dem party hasn't moved that the false narrative of the Repub party moving far to the right comes into play. More conservative right wingers have won seats, and they have some power, particularly in the Senate, when their votes are needed. But Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell are as moderate and establishment as you get. Reince Preibus was not a guy you hear about before, or really during, his time as RNC chair. While you may hear plenty of soundbites from the fringe whackjobs on the Daily Show and Bill Maher, you don't really hear anything about those people on actual policy and leadership.
  
  But you just don't see the same disputes in the Democratic party because their whack jobs and their leadership are very much aligned....I mean, their whack jobs ARE their leadership. Heck, we might even be seeing now that Pelosi isn't radical enough for some in that party....I think Pelosi might possibly be in the early stages of dementia.
• ppaw1999

  https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=moore+alabama&view=detail&mid=652D2C46360198CB8B1C652D2C46360198CB8B1C&FORM=VIRE
  
  I don't think the left has an monopoly on kooks.:rolleyes: