Republican debates/primaries.

• sleeper

  

  gut;1790169 wrote:No, you're being an ass. The reckless Millenial generation voted for a guy that doubled the debt PLUS the largest entitlement expansion in 50 years.
  
  Sure, everyone is fucking the unborn people. But they're going to blame you just as much, probably more, as grandma and grandpa...because you've already got a pretty equal share and you're just getting started.

  Everyone is liberal at a young age. I don't find the trend surprising nor relevant to this discussion. Look no further than the support of Ron Paul, perhaps the only candidate who seriously talked about the debt being an issue, having overwhelmingly young supporters. But whatever helps you sleep at night. And yes I'm sure an overwhelming amount of millennials voted for Bush's tax cuts and Medicaid Part D program; LOL.
  
  The Boomers have had ~10 elections of voting age and Millennials ~3 but yes let's distribute blame equally among them. Sorry, that isn't reality. I hope the Boomers get theirs someday; they deserve it, they are entitled to it.
• gut

  sleeper;1790170 wrote: I do agree though that he isn't as bad as everyone claims he is. He's an average President but I'd take him again over Hillary and certainly over Trump.

  I'd take Hillary over the current Divider in Chief who has demonstrated little interest in actually doing the job. Even Bill Clinton forgot for a minute he was a Democrat in his old age and admitted Obama has been a disaster.
• gut

  sleeper;1790173 wrote:Everyone is liberal at a young age. I don't find the trend surprising nor relevant to this discussion. Look no further than the support of Ron Paul, perhaps the only candidate who seriously talked about the debt being an issue, having overwhelmingly young supporters. But whatever helps you sleep at night. And yes I'm sure an overwhelming amount of millennials voted for Bush's tax cuts and Medicaid Part D program; LOL.
  
  The Boomers have had ~10 elections of voting age and Millennials ~3 but yes let's distribute blame equally among them. Sorry, that isn't reality. I hope the Boomers get theirs someday; they deserve it, they are entitled to it.

  Obama won with huge support from millenials. 3 elections where we've racked up nearly $12T+ in debt over the last 12 years. But, nah, Millenials aren't to blame - just look at their support for Ron Paul! All 1% of them that voted for him!!!!
  
  No, the Millenials are flocking to Bernie Sanders - they're not just liberal, they're stupid. Racking up debt and entitlements at a blistering pace Boomers never even dreamed of.
  
  If you want to blame Boomers for ruining the country, maybe blame them for the dumbass, entitled kids they spit out to finish the job.
• sleeper

  

  gut;1790175 wrote:Obama won with huge support from millenials. 3 elections where we've racked up nearly $12T+ in debt over the last 12 years. But, nah, Millenials aren't to blame - just look at their support for Ron Paul! All 1% of them that voted for him!!!!
  
  No, the Millenials are flocking to Bernie Sanders - they're not just liberal, they're stupid. Racking up debt and entitlements at a blistering pace Boomers never even dreamed of.
  
  If you want to blame Boomers for ruining the country, maybe blame them for the dumbass, entitled kids they spit out to finish the job.

  Millennials also would like to see tax increases on the wealthiest Americans. That hasn't happened due to the support of greedy boomers who have ruined this country. Millennials understand that if you want stuff you have to pay for it; something the greedy slimy generation never learned. Boomers want social safety nets for themselves, but they never want to pay for it. Fuck 'em. I hope they enjoy their cat food in retirement.
• HitsRus

  

  I hope they enjoy their cat food in retirement.

  Maybe that will finally get you guys to move out of our basements.
• sleeper

  

  HitsRus;1790188 wrote:Maybe that will finally get you guys to move out of our basements.

  It's only going to get worse. That's what I'm saying.
  
  You can't burden an entire generation with student loans, low job opportunities, AND have them bail out $19T in wealth to that grandpa can retire on the Caribbean. Something will give at some point and it won't be pretty; at least not for the older generation. And you can take that to the bank and book it.
• HitsRus

  

  Well, I planned for my retirement, and you'll be happy to know that whatever Social security benefits I get will be going back into the kitty to pay for someone else's cat food.
• HitsRus

  

  gut;1790174 wrote:I'd take Hillary over the current Divider in Chief who has demonstrated little interest in actually doing the job. Even Bill Clinton forgot for a minute he was a Democrat in his old age and admitted Obama has been a disaster.

  This is true. The DIC selectively does part of his job. He does the things that he wants to do, and ignores the stuff that is too difficult or that he doesn't want to deal with.
• sleeper

  

  HitsRus;1790198 wrote:Well, I planned for my retirement, and you'll be happy to know that whatever Social security benefits I get will be going back into the kitty to pay for someone else's cat food.

  You may have, but the vast majority of Boomers have not. A lot of them are depending on the benefits they didn't pay for to get them through their glory years.
  
  I do feel a tad bit bad for them but only because they are people to. I hate to see people suffer but they truly deserve nothing as they are not entitled to anything in life; as they've spent a good time telling us Millennials.
• gut

  sleeper;1790218 wrote:You may have, but the vast majority of Boomers have not. A lot of them are depending on the benefits they didn't pay for to get them through their glory years.

  They paid for their Social Security. They didn't pay for Medicare - but what difference does that make now that we have Obamacare? Millennials said, "hey, you didn't pay for your Medicare, but don't sweat it here's healthcare for everyone".
  
  And last I checked, Medicare has been at the same rate for 30 years - Millennials are paying the same rate their parents have been paying.
  
  So you're barking up the wrong tree. The naive Millennials came of age to vote, had a chance to change direction, and voted for MORE of the same. Yeah, we're doomed unless that generation gets a clue, because they are going to bankrupt the country a hell of a lot faster than their parents were working on.
• sleeper

  

  gut;1790221 wrote:They paid for their Social Security. They didn't pay for Medicare - but what difference does that make now that we have Obamacare? Millennials said, "hey, you didn't pay for your Medicare, but don't sweat it here's healthcare for everyone".
  
  And last I checked, Medicare has been at the same rate for 30 years - Millennials are paying the same rate their parents have been paying.
  
  So you're barking up the wrong tree. The naive Millennials came of age to vote, had a chance to change direction, and voted for MORE of the same. Yeah, we're doomed unless that generation gets a clue, because they are going to bankrupt the country a hell of a lot faster than their parents were working on.

  I lump all entitlement program together. What's the real point in separating them other than to play semantics? Also regardless of the same rate, costs are increasing because people are living longer. Boomers did nothing to address this other than say "We paid it, so we get it!!!!"; yeah except reality is SS wasn't designed to support you for 40+ years of retirement. They needed to up the rate and they did nothing. Let them eat cake.
  
  BTW, Millennials are voting for change, but it won't happen overnight. Boomers haven't voted for any change other than what they can get more of without having to pay for it.
• gut

  sleeper;1790222 wrote:I lump all entitlement program together. What's the real point in separating them other than to play semantics?
  
  BTW, Millennials are voting for change, but it won't happen overnight. Boomers haven't voted for any change other than what they can get more of without having to pay for it.

  Yeah, they voted for hope and change alright, another $9T+ and change and the most massive entitlement expansion in 50 years.
  
  Lump it all together if you want, but the people Millenials are voting for are adding to the debt and entitlements at a breakneck pace that makes Boomers look frugal in comparison.
  
  And what's the biggest thing Millenials are crying about right now - student loans. Who's voting for what they can get and not pay for again? But, hey, it's only another $2T,
• sleeper

  

  gut;1790225 wrote:Yeah, they voted for hope and change alright, another $9T+ and change and the most massive entitlement expansion in 50 years.
  
  Lump it all together if you want, but the people Millenials are voting for are adding to the debt and entitlements at a breakneck pace that makes Boomers look frugal in comparison.

  You also didn't mention they would like to increase taxes to pay for it. They can't get tax increases through because the Party of OLD PEOPLE wants to have their cake and eat it to. When are Boomers going to accept that they didn't pay enough for their benefits? They deserve nothing.
• HitsRus

  

  In other (relevant to the thread) news, if Cruz wins tomorrow it becomes more likely we see a brokered convention.

  I am not afraid of a brokered convention, and I don't care if people get upset 'cause they "stole" the nomination from Trump. The country was set up as a representative democracy...not a pure democracy...and it was set up that way for a reason. Most of us do not take the time necessary to make an informed choice or do our homework.....now I'm going to qualify that by asserting that almost everyone that's reading this on this site is a person who probably has done "their homework" or at least a modicum of research.......but I would assure you that the great majority of voters are making their minds up on poor or incomplete reasoning, if any reasoning at all.
  I welcome our duly elected representative delegates to choose not only a candidate that resonates party values and can win in November, but also an individual capable of being a good POTUS. Most certainly, the "will of the people" should be taken into account...but it cannot and should not be absolute in a situation where neither candidate(s) get the required majority.
• fish82

  

  Trump and Cruz both seem a little assclenched at the prospect of Kasich still hanging around at a potentially brokered convention.
• gut

  sleeper;1790229 wrote:You also didn't mention they would like to increase taxes to pay for it.

  I thought you agreed high taxes are job killers?
  
  And taxes are right where they have been historically - 18.1% of GDP where it has been (+/- 2%) for 50+ years. You can't pay for all this stuff taxing just the top 1-5%....EVERYONE has to pay, social insurance means EVERYONE pays their premium and shares benefits.
  
  As far as I can tell, the Millennials want even more benefits and to pay even less for them than their parents you demonize so much.
  
  Like I said, if you really want to blame Boomers for ruining this country then blame them for raising lazy, stupid entitled kids that are going to do the job.
• gut

  HitsRus;1790266 wrote:I am not afraid of a brokered convention, and I don't care if people get upset 'cause they "stole" the nomination from Trump.

  I sure won't lose any sleep over it. Fact is, Trump isn't going to get the requisite votes to win the nomination, nor is he going to have over 50% of the votes in hardly any single state.
  
  I don't think Trump wins the nomination head-to-head if he had gone against Cruz or Rubio, and probably Kasich. He's only where he is because he was able to capture the 30-40% of voters who didn't want any of those 3 and a few others.
• BRF

  

  HitsRus;1790266 wrote:.......but I would assure you that the great majority of voters are making their minds up on poor or incomplete reasoning, if any reasoning at all.

  Bingo.
  
  Just like every election this country has had.
• gut

  BRF;1790285 wrote:Bingo.
  
  Just like every election this country has had.

  
  The economic/tax discussions I've had with smart people I thought would and should know better scares the shit out of me - liberals loaded with misinformation and bullshit from the left-wing socialists. No independent learning or research, they just read something that sounds good and buy the whole hog...and conditioned to act with mocking derision when confronted with actual knowledge.
  
  Those debates usually ended with them saying "that can't be true", and me telling them to go look it up. It was never brought up again. I assume they didn't like what they learned, if they bothered, and decided to go on with their misguided beliefs despite the new information.
  
  Funniest thing to me was they should all be protectionists, and probably voting for Trump who's policies most closely align with that. But they've been conditioned to embrace free markets (except for the 1% and corporations), fully buying into "a bigger pie benefits everyone". No, it's actually quite possible for the pie to get bigger and you to have less pie than you did before.
• like_that

  

  HitsRus;1790266 wrote:I am not afraid of a brokered convention, and I don't care if people get upset 'cause they "stole" the nomination from Trump. The country was set up as a representative democracy...not a pure democracy...and it was set up that way for a reason. Most of us do not take the time necessary to make an informed choice or do our homework.....now I'm going to qualify that by asserting that almost everyone that's reading this on this site is a person who probably has done "their homework" or at least a modicum of research.......but I would assure you that the great majority of voters are making their minds up on poor or incomplete reasoning, if any reasoning at all.
  I welcome our duly elected representative delegates to choose not only a candidate that resonates party values and can win in November, but also an individual capable of being a good POTUS. Most certainly, the "will of the people" should be taken into account...but it cannot and should not be absolute in a situation where neither candidate(s) get the required majority.

  I'm not nervous about it either. I think it's a winning strategy at this point. I don't buy that people will stay at home in November because they are pouting that trump didn't win.
• gut

  like_that;1790314 wrote:I'm not nervous about it either. I think it's a winning strategy at this point. I don't buy that people will stay at home in November because they are pouting that trump didn't win.

  I don't know. Feeling disenfranchised, even if incorrect, tends to put a huge damper on motivation to go to the polls.
  
  A lot of Trump's voters are supporting him because they are fed-up with the Establishment and direction of the party. Maybe they'd support Cruz, but you'd have to give me very favorable odds to bet they'd go vote for Rubio, Kasich or some other moderate/establishment type.
  
  Compelling people to vote AGAINST someone else, rather than for you, has rarely (if ever) been a winning strategy.
• like_that

  

  gut;1790324 wrote:
  Compelling people to vote AGAINST someone else, rather than for you, has rarely (if ever) been a winning strategy.

  It seems to be working for Killary and Bernie based on the general election polls. This election is like no other. I can easily see people voting in spite of Killary.
• rrfan

  

  gut;1790225 wrote:Yeah, they voted for hope and change alright, another $9T+ and change and the most massive entitlement expansion in 50 years.
  
  Lump it all together if you want, but the people Millenials are voting for are adding to the debt and entitlements at a breakneck pace that makes Boomers look frugal in comparison.
  
  And what's the biggest thing Millenials are crying about right now - student loans. Who's voting for what they can get and not pay for again? But, hey, it's only another $2T,

  Yes this!
  
  What is the definition of a loan? Seems the Cry baby Millenials did not go to school that day.
• sleeper

  

  gut;1790283 wrote:I thought you agreed high taxes are job killers?
  
  And taxes are right where they have been historically - 18.1% of GDP where it has been (+/- 2%) for 50+ years. You can't pay for all this stuff taxing just the top 1-5%....EVERYONE has to pay, social insurance means EVERYONE pays their premium and shares benefits.
  
  As far as I can tell, the Millennials want even more benefits and to pay even less for them than their parents you demonize so much.
  
  Like I said, if you really want to blame Boomers for ruining this country then blame them for raising lazy, stupid entitled kids that are going to do the job.

  High taxes are job killers. That's why if you want the entitlements that Boomers want you have to pay for it with with lower increases in taxes over the long run rather than force feeding huge tax increases to a generation of unborn people.
  
  Boomers decided to pass the buck to the next generation and they deserve nothing.
• sleeper

  

  rrfan;1790462 wrote:Yes this!
  
  What is the definition of a loan? Seems the Cry baby Millenials did not go to school that day.

  Cry Baby Millennials know what a loan is. The issue is this isn't the 1950's where you can get a middle class job with a GED and support a FAMILY for 30 years. Yes yes, tell me more about the trades and how they are so understaffed, that's a myth.
  
  The reality is, Millennials are left with a choice of go to college or be stuck with a minimum wage job for 40+ years. There really isn't any reasonable alternatives(hell, even the military turns people away these days). Now you can say "Well go to school and study something useful like science and engineering" which entirely ignores the fact that most people just simply aren't cut out to handle the rigorous curriculum. Boomers could major in anything they want and end up with a decent job but that's no longer the case. Boomers don't live in reality, they live in a fantasy land where they were born on 3rd base and think they hit a home run.
  
  It's definitely an issue other than just calling them big cry babies. The reality is, we have a generational issue; an issue of having a generation that's sand bagged with student debt with little job opportunities, low wages, and a bleak economic outlook of $19T and growing.
  
  Anyways, I'd be hard pressed to want to work with anyone other than Millennials at this point. The hardest workers at my job are the young people; not the old people who can barely turn on a computer. I can't wait until the old guard retires or dies so intelligence can start winning over ignorance.