Republican debates/primaries.

• CenterBHSFan

  

  like_that;1789630 wrote:Not to take away on the Trump dissing, but I couldn't find the thread where the trump chalk "threats" was posted. This is relevant to that topic: http://www.barstoolsports.com/barstoolu/scripps-college-girl-calls-the-police-after-someone-writes-trump2016-on-hallway-whiteboard/?utm_campaign=SFFB&utm_source=BarstoolFB&utm_medium=Socialflow

  Oh, for God's sake!
  
  It is my unhappy realization that it is my generation, first round Gen X'rs, who have raised such complete and utter intellectual and emotionally bankrupt morons.
  
  While I know it's not trendy with a lot of younger people who visit this board, but there really is something to be said about today's younger generation being complete and utter fucktoons.
• HitsRus

  

  Fox News had a roving reporter at a Trump protest and he asked people exactly what they disliked about Trump and most couldn't give a coherent answer... Some regurgitated talking points. Like "He hates Muslims" or he "hates women"... But all in all it would have been quite hilarious except for the fact that these people have equal vote to the most informed of voters.
  Now most of you know that I am not a Trump fan at all.... But it really reiterates the assertion that pure democracy is overrated and why a representative government ... A republic... Was the wise choice of our founders. People in general vote poorly and largely uniformed.
• Heretic

  

  HitsRus;1789669 wrote:Fox News had a roving reporter at a Trump protest and he asked people exactly what they disliked about Trump and most couldn't give a coherent answer... Some regurgitated talking points. Like "He hates Muslims" or he "hates women"... But all in all it would have been quite hilarious except for the fact that these people have equal vote to the most informed of voters.
  Now most of you know that I am not a Trump fan at all.... But it really reiterates the assertion that pure democracy is overrated and why a representative government ... A republic... Was the wise choice of our founders. People in general vote poorly and largely uniformed.

  Well, when you consider that one of the big reasons people say they support Trump is because "he's a businessman!", while apparently ignoring (or being too stupid to realize) that Mr. Businessman's filed for bankruptcy multiple times, it's safe to say that a lot of voters in general are idiots who get all their information off sound bites.
• QuakerOats

  sleeper;1789638 wrote:It's almost as frightening as a President Trump. Almost.

  
  And yet he would be 1000x better than obama or the current socialist and communist running now.
  
  Now that is frightening.
• like_that

  

  Heretic;1789687 wrote:Well, when you consider that one of the big reasons people say they support Trump is because "he's a businessman!", while apparently ignoring (or being too stupid to realize) that Mr. Businessman's filed for bankruptcy multiple times, it's safe to say that a lot of voters in general are idiots who get all their information off sound bites.

  Or memes.
• QuakerOats

  Heretic;1789687 wrote:Well, when you consider that one of the big reasons people say they support Trump is because "he's a businessman!", while apparently ignoring (or being too stupid to realize) that Mr. Businessman's filed for bankruptcy multiple times, it's safe to say that a lot of voters in general are idiots who get all their information off sound bites.

  So continuing on with liberal policies of the last 7 years that have completely bankrupted this country (to the tune of $9 TRILLION in deficit spending) is the answer?
  
  You know you are being intellectually dishonest when you take a couple of his business situations that went sideways and infer that all he has touched went south. We have laws in this country that allow for restructurings and turnarounds; they generally benefit all stakeholders in such situations.
  
  Keep trying .......
• ptown_trojans_1

  

  QuakerOats;1789692 wrote:So continuing on with liberal policies of the last 7 years that have completely bankrupted this country (to the tune of $9 TRILLION in deficit spending) is the answer?
  
  You know you are being intellectually dishonest when you take a couple of his business situations that went sideways and infer that all he has touched went south. We have laws in this country that allow for restructurings and turnarounds; they generally benefit all stakeholders in such situations.
  
  Keep trying .......

  I've yet to hear or see in detail how Trump will translate his business experience into the federal Government.
  Right now, it is more, trust me and believe me.
  
  I'm not sold on that quite yet.
  
  Trust me or believe me does not cut it.
• HitsRus

  

  ^^^Hey, it going to be great!
• jmog

  ptown_trojans_1;1789701 wrote:I've yet to hear or see in detail how Trump will translate his business experience into the federal Government.
  Right now, it is more, trust me and believe me.
  
  I'm not sold on that quite yet.
  
  Trust me or believe me does not cut it.

  I actually agree with you, but if you voted for Obama you are being kind of hypocritical with that statement. He had no answers during the campaign either, just "Hope and Change".
• sleeper

  

  like_that;1789691 wrote:Or memes.

  Or dank memes.
• sleeper

  

  QuakerOats;1789689 wrote:And yet he would be 1000x better than obama or the current socialist and communist running now.
  
  Now that is frightening.

  No he wouldn't. He would be worse.
• sleeper

  

  QuakerOats;1789692 wrote:So continuing on with liberal policies of the last 7 years that have completely bankrupted this country (to the tune of $9 TRILLION in deficit spending) is the answer?
  
  You know you are being intellectually dishonest when you take a couple of his business situations that went sideways and infer that all he has touched went south. We have laws in this country that allow for restructurings and turnarounds; they generally benefit all stakeholders in such situations.
  
  Keep trying .......

  I have yet to see how Trump is actually going to cut spending. He seems to have promised fairly large expenditure projects(the wall, for one) while at the same time cutting taxes. This won't work especially if you plan on reducing the deficit, much less the national debt.
• sleeper

  

  Heretic;1789687 wrote:Well, when you consider that one of the big reasons people say they support Trump is because "he's a businessman!", while apparently ignoring (or being too stupid to realize) that Mr. Businessman's filed for bankruptcy multiple times, it's safe to say that a lot of voters in general are idiots who get all their information off sound bites.

  Bankrupcty is a solid business strategy though. It's not ideal but I don't think that's why Trump is a bad businessman.
• QuakerOats

  sleeper;1789724 wrote:No he wouldn't. He would be worse.

  
  No he would not, and it is not even close. And I am not a 'Trumper'.
• sleeper

  

  QuakerOats;1789757 wrote:No he would not, and it is not even close. And I am not a 'Trumper'.

  This is a guy who stated he is against nuclear proliferation and then tried to defend Japan and South Korea obtaining nuclear weapons.
  
  That's just one example out of many. Trump is the dumbest person to ever run for office. You can disagree with Obama's policies and their lack of foresight, but you cannot deny the pure stupid that would exist in the White House if Trump were ever elected.
  
  I'd elect Obama dictator for life over having Trump spend 1 minute as President.
• rrfan

  

  jmog;1789715 wrote:I actually agree with you, but if you voted for Obama you are being kind of hypocritical with that statement. He had no answers during the campaign either, just "Hope and Change".

  Wow! How true that is....
• Automatik

  

  ptown_trojans_1;1789701 wrote:I've yet to hear or see in detail how Trump will translate his business experience into the federal Government.
  Right now, it is more, trust me and believe me.
  
  I'm not sold on that quite yet.
  
  Trust me or believe me does not cut it.

  Funny...same goes for his supporters. None can really explain how he'll accomplish any of his claims.
• jmog

  What the left and right both do not want to admit, is that Trump is just Obama on the right...except Trump is more of an asshole about it publically.
• QuakerOats

  Let's take just a few items to compare:
  
  Congress sends Trump the repeal of obamaKare: he will sign it
  
  Trump sends senate moderate/conservative for Supreme Court (up to about 3-4 times over next 4 years): senate confirms
  
  Congress sends Trump major corporate tax reform: he will sign it
  
  Trump asks congress for funding to build wall or otherwise impede flow of illegals: republican congress does so
  
  Law enforcement and border security personnel ask for administrative backup in enforcing immigration laws: Trump complies, and has their back
  
  Trump appoints business-friendly commissioners to NLRB: congress approves them
  
  Trump asks for certain redundant or unnecessary agencies to have funding cut or eliminated: congress approves
  
  Republican congress crafts a budget freezing spending (or cutting it some areas): Trump signs it
  
  Trump asks congress to bolster defense in fight against ISIS and other terror groups: congress approves
  
  Trump tells military to return to policies and procedures that insure winning, not political correctness; military leaders applaud.
  
  Trump tells police officers he will side with them, not with the perps; police get rejuvenated to do their jobs.
  
  
  We could go on and on and on ...........but it is plainly clear that on the large important issues Trump is the exact opposite of obama and clinton, and would start to turn around the disaster we have been left with. So yes, the guy is bombastic, he mispeaks off the cuff a lot, and he rubs a lot of people the wrong way. But, when it all comes down to doing what needs to be done, you can see from above that it would get done. It is not even debatable that he would be 1000x times better than what we have, and what we would have in a clinton admin. Business, and our entire economy, cannot take any more of the radical liberal policy agenda; it will kill us.
• gut

  jmog;1789775 wrote:What the left and right both do not want to admit, is that Trump is just Obama on the right...except Trump is more of an asshole about it publically.

  I actually think Ted Cruz is the Republican Obama....Trump is just an asshat.
• gut

  QuakerOats;1789776 wrote:..........but it is plainly clear that on the large important issues Trump is the exact opposite of obama and clinton

  Trump is a deal maker, except he'll be the one to score it (he'll make deals because that is how he has sold himself, and regardless of the merits they'll all be "fantastic" and "great"). He's very different from Obama in that regard. Cruz and Obama are ideologues, Trump and Hillary are not.
  
  Strip away the political pretense and polish from Hillary and you'll see a lot of similarities with Trump. Both are egomaniacs in it more for themselves, and both are willing to work "outside" the lines to execute their agenda. Both are highly accomplished liars and manipulators.
• QuakerOats

  gut;1789778 wrote:Trump is a deal maker, except he'll be the one to score it (he'll make deals because that is how he has sold himself, and regardless of the merits they'll all be "fantastic" and "great"). He's very different from Obama in that regard. Cruz and Obama are ideologues, Trump and Hillary are not.
  
  Strip away the political pretense and polish from Hillary and you'll see a lot of similarities with Trump. Both are egomaniacs in it more for themselves, and both are willing to work "outside" the lines to execute their agenda. Both are highly accomplished liars and manipulators.

  
  I am not disagreeing with any of that. I am saying that Trump will do what I outlined above and we will be far better off because of it; it won't happen with clinton. It seems everyone is falling for the media trick -- focus on whether he comes off as a pompous ass, instead of what policies will change for the better, and what good things will come because of gridlock ending with R's in total control.
• gut

  QuakerOats;1789779 wrote:I am not disagreeing with any of that. I am saying that Trump will do what I outlined above and we will be far better off because of it; it won't happen with clinton. It seems everyone is falling for the media trick -- focus on whether he comes off as a pompous ass, instead of what policies will change for the better, and what good things will come because of gridlock ending with R's in total control.

  But a lot of "what's best" is your opinion that many people have very different perspectives on. Yeah, Trump and Clinton, even Obama, will work with Congress when the agendas are aligned. But what happens when they are not - if Trump going the "dictator" route like Obama has with Exec action?
  
  Executive actions and orders have been on the rise with every administration going back to at least Reagan. I don't see how any of these clowns will be any different.
  
  I also think you're a bit delusional about what a Republican Congress would do. About half of what you listed is the old, true conservative Repub Party that hasn't existed for probably 20 years or more.
• sleeper

  

  QuakerOats;1789779 wrote:I am not disagreeing with any of that. I am saying that Trump will do what I outlined above and we will be far better off because of it; it won't happen with clinton. It seems everyone is falling for the media trick -- focus on whether he comes off as a pompous ass, instead of what policies will change for the better, and what good things will come because of gridlock ending with R's in total control.

  Yeah except the math doesn't work out. You can't cut taxes and increase spending and expect the debt to go down.
  
  Is Trump going to cut SS, Medicare, Medicard? Defense spending? No? Then he's either a liar or an idiot(or both).
• sleeper

  

  gut;1789781 wrote:But a lot of "what's best" is your opinion that many people have very different perspectives on. Yeah, Trump and Clinton, even Obama, will work with Congress when the agendas are aligned. But what happens when they are not - if Trump going the "dictator" route like Obama has with Exec action?
  
  Executive actions and orders have been on the rise with every administration going back to at least Reagan. I don't see how any of these clowns will be any different.
  
  I also think you're a bit delusional about what a Republican Congress would do. About half of what you listed is the old, true conservative Repub Party that hasn't existed for probably 20 years or more.

  Something tells me establishment Republicans will not work with Trump and that's the majority of R's in power.
  
  Trump will get less done than Obama simply because 90% of his party doesn't want to be associated with him.