Hillary Clinton
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QuakerOatsGeez, wait till the new book by Clinton's Secret Service guy comes out next week .......already #1 on Amazon list and it hasn't even gone public yet. She is already enlisting her media pals to attack the messenger; she is obviously going absolutely bonkers. If only she looked in the mirror and realized what a phony criminal money-launderer she has become.
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QuakerOatsCenterBHSFan;1798540 wrote:
Yep. She would never, EVER, put her country or fellow Americans above her personal ambitions - EVER. -
Con_Alma
I respect your honesty here.ptown_trojans_1;1798537 wrote:...
Maybe this is why I can't understand the Clinton hate...
Maybe if you did understand the "Clinton hate" there would be a better ability to comprehend why someone would vote for her opponents over her...if that's of interest to you at all. -
Spock
its a track record that still holds true today. Inability to follow the law, botched and inept at foreign policy.......add the old stuff to the new and it seems that nothing has changed.like_that;1798539 wrote:Yes, the only reason people hate Hillary is because of the 90's conspiracy theories [emoji849].
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Wolves of Babylon
The only people who will care are people who are voting Trump honestly. Clinton should have been the easiest person to beat but the Republican electorate picked the only person more hated than Clinton.QuakerOats;1798545 wrote:Geez, wait till the new book by Clinton's Secret Service guy comes out next week .......already #1 on Amazon list and it hasn't even gone public yet. She is already enlisting her media pals to attack the messenger; she is obviously going absolutely bonkers. If only she looked in the mirror and realized what a phony criminal money-launderer she has become.
Anyway, no Trump dead body list to be found.
I'm 100% in for Johnson. And before someone says it, according to polling, he is taking equally or more from Clinton nationally in quite a few polls. So Gary johnson may actually be the best chance for Trump.
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like_that
Link?Wolves of Babylon;1798554 wrote:The only people who will care are people who are voting Trump honestly. Clinton should have been the easiest person to beat but the Republican electorate picked the only person more hated than Clinton.
I'm 100% in for Johnson. And before someone says it, according to polling, he is taking equally or more from Clinton nationally in quite a few polls. So Gary johnson may actually be the best chance for Trump.
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Wolves of Babylon
http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/06/01/libertarian-johnson-will-likely-hurt-clinton-trump/like_that;1798555 wrote:Link?
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Wolves of Babylonhttp://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/282987-poll-libertarian-johnson-tops-clinton-among-independents
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like_that
Wolves of Babylon;1798556 wrote:http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/06/01/libertarian-johnson-will-likely-hurt-clinton-trump/
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Thanks, that is pretty interesting. I am sure that will change in the coming months. I want to see where these numbers are after they both choose their VP candidates.Wolves of Babylon;1798569 wrote:http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/282987-poll-libertarian-johnson-tops-clinton-among-independents
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Spock
polls and stats are useless right now. Both are still pandering to the base till the convention. Both will move to the center. When that happens, Trump has the advantagelike_that;1798588 wrote:Thanks, that is pretty interesting. I am sure that will change in the coming months. I want to see where these numbers are after they both choose their VP candidates. -
Wolves of BabylonI never understood this whole pandering to the base idea then moving to the center. You either have values and ideas you believe in or you are a fraud or liar in my opinion. Which explains both Trump and Clinton.
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Heretic
While I definitely won't disagree with you on this, I think a big part of it just has to do with the nature of the system; in other words, a sign the whole system probably needs overhauled.Wolves of Babylon;1798606 wrote:I never understood this whole pandering to the base idea then moving to the center. You either have values and ideas you believe in or you are a fraud or liar in my opinion. Which explains both Trump and Clinton.
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On both the left and right, you have a percentage of people who are really super-passionate about politics. Those people tend to be the more far left and far right people. When it comes to the overly long and drawn-out primary/caucus season, those are the people who are most interested, as I think the average person just gets burnt out by how this shit never fucking ends. Therefore, when it comes to this time of the year, candidates cater to those people, since they're the ones who will be coming out to vote in droves. When it gets cut down to the two nominees, more people towards the center of the aisle get interested, so candidates start moving their talking points to try to cater more towards them.
I think that's a big part of why things are as they are this year, where on both sides, you're seeing larger divisions. On the left, you have the perfect far left candidate in Bernie, who really woke up that group to the degree that a lot of them seem to have no desire to vote for the more centrist-left Hillary. On the right, I think Trump's "take no shit" way of talking woke up a lot of people who are probably politically apathetic most of the time in a "politicians don't really give a shit about us; this guy is an outsider, so he'll be different" way, which has the system Rs back on their heels to where a lot of prominent Rs are, at most, giving him half-hearted endorsements while also being openly critical of him publicly (in an attempt to heel him and get him in their hands).
At the very least, it's very interesting to watch. Makes you wonder if the system will settle down and things will return to how they've been or if both parties will blow themselves up and we might actually get real change in how things operate. -
jmog
Please realize that QO is the outlier. The list he put out is hilariously wrong.ptown_trojans_1;1798537 wrote:Are we seriously doing this?
Seriously, are we back in the 90s and early internet conspiracy theories?
This is the shit I don't get.
What next, Roswell or Area 51?
If people didn't care and nothing was found in the 90s then why are people going to care now?
Maybe this is why I can't understand the Clinton hate, cause I see it as BS and in the same realm as conspiracy theory guy.
The "Clinton hate" mostly is about her consistent lying (no denying any of this), her corruption with donors to the Clinton Foundation and those people getting state dept benefits, her e-mail scandal, Benghazi, etc.
All of these are VERY real and VERY new, and have nothing to do with "the 90's".
You intellectually know that none of us who refuse to vote for Hillary believe the crap QO puts out except for QO himself. -
jmog
To be fair, no one really hated Trump until he ran against a D. Same for Romney, etc. It tends to happen with modern media when you run against a D.Wolves of Babylon;1798554 wrote:The only people who will care are people who are voting Trump honestly. Clinton should have been the easiest person to beat but the Republican electorate picked the only person more hated than Clinton.
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O-Trap
Prior to running for office, Trump was mostly harmless. I can see why people might dislike him more once he seeks a position of enforceable power.jmog;1798623 wrote:To be fair, no one really hated Trump until he ran against a D. Same for Romney, etc. It tends to happen with modern media when you run against a D. -
CenterBHSFan
I think the only real reason that there is any "Hillary Hate" at all is because of, well, Hillary.
From the time that she and her husband had entered the national stage it has been one peccadillo after another; some milder than others, but none of them any good. From her statement "I'm not a stand by your man type of woman" to leaving the White House taking unauthorized valuables, clear through today with the emails, it has been fire after fire after fire.
And this is all been kept track of by the media - who loves her! But even the media cannot ignore all the scandals she has been involved with. So, they just try to spin it the best that they can. And, by media I'm meaning MSNBC, CBS, CNN, everybody but FOX.
Think of it much the same way you would think of Bill Cosby at this point. If there were only 3 or 4 women pointing fingers at Cosby, it can easily be construed as "oh, they're just trying to get some free money". But when you have 30-50 women all coming out and saying virtually the same thing, the press can't hide that, they can only try to minimize the damage with a little spin. But they've still got to report it, somehow.
This is what has happened with Hillary. Every instance has been of her own making. And her husband's. Where there is smoke, there is fire.
And, while people can pretend to be blasé about it, they know she's no good. Saying things like "She's got experience." What does that mean to you, exactly? When she has been a First Lady, a senator and Madame Secretary - what is her shining jewel of accomplishment there? What made her excel at those jobs? What has she improved? What change has she effected that was for the betterment of everybody and not just a few?
And, can whatever "accomplishments" that she can wave into a camera balance out the hypocrisy, the drama, the shameful words/actions and all the other ugly luggage that the woman carries around with her?
So, if somebody wants to be truly honest and explain those things to themselves (not to mention anybody else) then maybe they will understand the Hillary Hate. Until then, they are just trying to tread water while being bound by their chains of ideology.
What has she left behind her that makes the path in front of her shine? -
gut
Well, remember, she's a lawyer - Hillary is the poster child for all the stereotypes and jokes about lawyers.CenterBHSFan;1798811 wrote:
And this is all been kept track of by the media - who loves her! But even the media cannot ignore all the scandals she has been involved with.
The Clintons used politics to make themselves wealthy and powerful, but apparently have never had enough of either and so have continued their shady dealings to maintain and add to their power and wealth. -
QuakerOatsjmog;1798621 wrote:Please realize that QO is the outlier. The list he put out is hilariously wrong.
What I believe is --- these people are dead, because in fact, they are. We also know that most or all had either close relationships with the Clintons or the Clinton machine, or found themselves strangely connected to them. We know all that to be fact, so I am not sure what is so "hilariously wrong".
The only question then, is whether they actually had anything to do directly (or maybe even indirectly) with their deaths. We can leave that to the speculators, but it is a long list, not to mention a lot of suicides and other rather odd circumstances.
I have yet to see such a Trump list.
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ZWICK 4 PREZ
Wikileaks to release Hillary emails? -
Spock
link?ZWICK 4 PREZ;1799426 wrote:Wikileaks to release Hillary emails? -
BoatShoes
The only one of these that is legitimate is the email idiocy but more so the use of the private server.jmog;1798621 wrote:Please realize that QO is the outlier. The list he put out is hilariously wrong.
The "Clinton hate" mostly is about her consistent lying (no denying any of this), her corruption with donors to the Clinton Foundation and those people getting state dept benefits, her e-mail scandal, Benghazi, etc.
All of these are VERY real and VERY new, and have nothing to do with "the 90's".
You intellectually know that none of us who refuse to vote for Hillary believe the crap QO puts out except for QO himself.
(And frankly, when 21 million people get their information stolen from the Office of Personnel Management what I have not heard people ask is if at the end of the day Hillary's homebrew server wasn't more secure lol. -
BoatShoes
Finally got to meet Hillary when she was in Cleveland if only for a brief period of time. Clearly as unnatural at leftist politics as she seems on tv and yet charming enough but more wonkish than anything...more like a career diplomat than a career politician...nothing at all like her perception of course but perception is reality. Clear she understands and accepts the hate unlike Obama who very obviously can't handle it.CenterBHSFan;1798811 wrote:I think the only real reason that there is any "Hillary Hate" at all is because of, well, Hillary.
From the time that she and her husband had entered the national stage it has been one peccadillo after another; some milder than others, but none of them any good. From her statement "I'm not a stand by your man type of woman" to leaving the White House taking unauthorized valuables, clear through today with the emails, it has been fire after fire after fire.
And this is all been kept track of by the media - who loves her! But even the media cannot ignore all the scandals she has been involved with. So, they just try to spin it the best that they can. And, by media I'm meaning MSNBC, CBS, CNN, everybody but FOX.
Think of it much the same way you would think of Bill Cosby at this point. If there were only 3 or 4 women pointing fingers at Cosby, it can easily be construed as "oh, they're just trying to get some free money". But when you have 30-50 women all coming out and saying virtually the same thing, the press can't hide that, they can only try to minimize the damage with a little spin. But they've still got to report it, somehow.
This is what has happened with Hillary. Every instance has been of her own making. And her husband's. Where there is smoke, there is fire.
And, while people can pretend to be blasé about it, they know she's no good. Saying things like "She's got experience." What does that mean to you, exactly? When she has been a First Lady, a senator and Madame Secretary - what is her shining jewel of accomplishment there? What made her excel at those jobs? What has she improved? What change has she effected that was for the betterment of everybody and not just a few?
And, can whatever "accomplishments" that she can wave into a camera balance out the hypocrisy, the drama, the shameful words/actions and all the other ugly luggage that the woman carries around with her?
So, if somebody wants to be truly honest and explain those things to themselves (not to mention anybody else) then maybe they will understand the Hillary Hate. Until then, they are just trying to tread water while being bound by their chains of ideology.
What has she left behind her that makes the path in front of her shine?
Hillary's best accomplishment IMHO was working to get the state children's health insurance program established with hard fought compromise with Republicans after getting worked on HillaryCare which has been hugely beneficial to scores of children in southeast Ohio.
I think she'll be a good president if she can make it across the finish line and less stubborn than Obama.
P.S. The media loves Obama. They don't love Hillary. -
BoatShoesZWICK 4 PREZ;1799426 wrote:Wikileaks to release Hillary emails?
God I hope they do so the average joe can see what kind of trash gets labeled classified. -
like_that
Do you or ever did work for the government? In a classified environment?BoatShoes;1799497 wrote:God I hope they do so the average joe can see what kind of trash gets labeled classified.